Help a meat lover become vegetarianish

Unclebaldrick

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Your probably 100% correct. I butcher my own Animals for meat, I have a friend with quite a bit of property and lets me raise animals there. I get 2 calf's a year and enough feed for them till it's time to butcher and give him one for his help and use of his land. Yes it is much more expensive than buying it from the store, but at least it's not Grade D Pink slime marked as Grade A beef. We buy all of our milk from a local farmer who gives it to us in a two gallon jar and the cream is still on top. We take the cream and shake it till it turns into our butter. I try to be as organic as possible, and agree that slaughter houses suck, and so do the conditions commercially grown animals live in.

I also Hunt, and Elk and Venison are more than half of my family's meat for the year.
I wasn't going to ask, but it seemed to turn into a meat sourcing thread. A question for the ranchers. My in laws buy a couple of nice feeder cattle. The last two were some really delicious looking "Dutch Browns". My dad in law is not the most progressive farmer/rancher around. He tells a lot of stories about crazy hippies that the Carter administration sent round from the Dept of Ag. So he feeds his cattle in a fairly standard commercial way (lots of corn, but good pasture too.) usually the meat is pretty good - but not this time. It suuuuuucked. Tough, foul tasting, messed up texture. We waited until it got cold here and pitched it all.

So I asked him about it over the holidays. He was similarly disappointed and figured that it was not properly hung at slaughter (done locally). Does that sound right to you rancher types?

But to Klite, the OP. More power to you, man. Keep in mind that no matter what humans eat, it throws the equilibrium of Earth off. There's a lot of us - too many to "live lightly on the land". So no matter what you eat, there will be social consequences.

So make your choices according to your moral code and your own natural "balance". I don't think there's a magic diet that is good for all of us. Anthropologically, that idea sounds specious. Humans have lived in damn near very biome on Earth or 100s of thousands of years. Best of luck - and remember to "taste the meat, not the heat".
 

420God

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Does that sound right to you rancher types?
Butchers have been known to switch the meats with their stock if the meat is better quality than theirs.

The butcher we use videos it through the whole process and we can get a copy upon request.
 

Singlemalt

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http://www.fao.org/docrep/003/x6909e/x6909e04.htm

CHAPTER 2: Effects of stress and injury on meat and by-product quality[/h][HR][/HR]
[HR][/HR][h=2]A. Meat quality[/h][HR][/HR]
[HR][/HR]The energy required for muscle activity in the live animal is obtained from sugars (glycogen) in the muscle. In the healthy and well-rested animal, the glycogen content of the muscle is high. After the animal has been slaughtered, the glycogen in the muscle is converted into lactic acid, and the muscle and carcass becomes firm (rigor mortis). This lactic acid is necessary to produce meat, which is tasteful and tender, of good keeping quality and good colour. If the animal is stressed before and during slaughter, the glycogen is used up, and the lactic acid level that develops in the meat after slaughter is reduced. This will have serious adverse effects on meat quality.
[h=3]Pale Soft Exudative (PSE) meat (Fig. 1)[/h]PSE in pigs is caused by severe, short-term stress just prior to slaughter, for example during off-loading, handling, holding in pens and stunning. Here the animal is subjected to severe anxiety and fright caused by manhandling, fighting in the pens and bad stunning techniques. All this may result in biochemical processes in the muscle in particular in rapid breakdown of muscle glycogen and the meat becoming very pale with pronounced acidity (pH values of 5.4-5.6 immediately after slaughter) and poor flavour. This type of meat is difficult to use or cannot be used at all by butchers or meat processors and is wasted in extreme cases. Allowing pigs to rest for one hour prior to slaughter and quiet handling will considerably reduce the risk of PSE.
[h=3]Dark Firm and Dry (DFD) meat (Fig. 1)[/h]This condition can be found in carcasses of cattle or sheep and sometimes pigs and turkeys soon after slaughter. The carcass meat is darker and drier than normal and has a much firmer texture. The muscle glycogen has been used up during the period of handling, transport and pre-slaughter and as a result, after slaughter, there is little lactic acid production, which results in DFD meat. This meat is of inferior quality as the less pronounced taste and the dark colour is less acceptable to the consumer and has a shorter shelf life due to the abnormally high pH-value of the meat (6.4-6.8). DFD meat means that the carcass was from an animal that was stressed, injured or diseased before being slaughtered.
Fig. 1: A. Pale Soft and Exudative (PSE) meat
Fig. 1: B. Normal meat
Fig. 1: C. Dark Firm and Dry (DFD) meat
[h=3]Spoilage of meat[/h]It is necessary for animals to be stress and injury free during operations prior to slaughter, so as not to unnecessarily deplete muscle glycogen reserves. It is also important for animals to be well rested during the 24-hour period before slaughter. This is in order to allow for muscle glycogen to be replaced by the body as much as possible (the exception being pigs, which should travel and be slaughtered as stress free as possible but not rested for a prolonged period prior to slaughter). It is important that the glycogen levels in the muscles of the slaughtered carcass are as high as possible, to develop the maximum level of lactic acid in the meat. This acid gives meat an ideal pH level, measured after 24 hours after slaughter, of 6.2 or lower. The 24h (or ultimate) pH higher than 6.2 indicates that the animal was stressed, injured or diseased prior to slaughter.
Lactic acid in the muscle has the effect of retarding the growth of bacteria that have contaminated the carcass during slaughter and dressing. These bacteria cause spoilage of the meat during storage, particularly in warmer environments, and the meat develops off-smells, colour changes, rancidity and slime. This is spoilage, and these processes decrease the shelf life of meat, thus causing wastage of valuable food. If the contaminating bacteria are those of the food poisoning type, the consumers of the meat become sick, resulting in costly treatment and loss of manpower hours to the national economies. Thus, meat from animals, which have suffered from stress or injuries during handling, transport and slaughter, is likely to have a shorter shelf life due to spoilage. This is perhaps the biggest cause for meat wastage during the production processes.
 

NorthofEngland

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CAN POSTERS PLEASE STOP PRETENDING THAT TOFU OR SOYA ARE EQUAL TO MEAT
THEY CERTAINLY ARE NOT!

PROTEIN MAY BE GOTEN THERE
BUT WE COULD ALSO GET PROTEIN FROM HOUSE FLIES OR SEWER RATS
IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THEY'RE EQUAL TO MEAT.


So enough of the bullshit.
Vegetarianism is achievable
but boring and unnatural.

Canine teeth are a good indication that we, as a species, are meant to eat meat.

Buying tofu is an indication of having confused sexuality.
 

Bombur

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CAN POSTERS PLEASE STOP PRETENDING THAT TOFU OR SOYA ARE EQUAL TO MEAT
THEY CERTAINLY ARE NOT!

PROTEIN MAY BE GOTEN THERE
BUT WE COULD ALSO GET PROTEIN FROM HOUSE FLIES OR SEWER RATS
IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THEY'RE EQUAL TO MEAT.


So enough of the bullshit.
Vegetarianism is achievable
but boring and unnatural.

Canine teeth are a good indication that we, as a species, are meant to eat meat.

Buying tofu is an indication of having confused sexuality.
Diet has nothing to do with sexuality, you sound like a baby-dicked 15 year old.
 

dangerlow

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You need to get to be personal friends with a butcher. You were probably slipped another cow. I know that I always process my own wild game and livestock now due to the fact that they throw all the meat in a pile and give you someone else's game. I hunt my animals where I know they are eating well, and the population is stable so I get the best tasting and healthiest meat. I raise 2 pigs a year as well, but I send those off, I hate processing pigs.
 

SunnyJim

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The "what you eat makes you gay, you should eat what I eat because I'm a man and you're a stupidhead" argument wouldn't wash with my 11 year old nephew. I'd get laughed out of the room if that was the limit of what I could bring to the table (I'm loving the puns at the moment).
 

kinetic

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You "sautéed some tofu...."?
Don't ever get put in prison.
Because you will be turned out and passed around like a porn mag on a submarine!!!

Just using words like 'sauteed' will get you shower befriended in an instant.
Your reading comprehension could use some brushing up on. Go re read what I wrote and tell me again how you can put parentheses around what you did.
 

KLITE

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I never said id quit meat all together simply have seen statistical evidence that proves animal based protein simply isnt as good as plant based protein for humans, hence i would like to attempt cutting down on the protein i get from meat. I LOVE MEAT and raise my own chickens and rabits and shall not stop. Butchers where i am at are of such high quality one would have to be a bit crazy to not get a steak and such.
If anyone has done the transition and would like to share it here, or leave tips/recipes i would greatly appreciate it. If you want to act like an immature close minded dickhead please refrain from posting on this thread please.
 

frizzlegooch

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Lol @ eating meat not being natural. Also, good luck eating anything that was never alive.
How come babies teeth are all flat then? If you never ate meat i have my doubts as to whether or not your teeth would sharpen

And lol i meant animals, i know you cant eat abiotic things like rocks and shit.
 

frizzlegooch

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I never said id quit meat all together simply have seen statistical evidence that proves animal based protein simply isnt as good as plant based protein for humans, hence i would like to attempt cutting down on the protein i get from meat. I LOVE MEAT and raise my own chickens and rabits and shall not stop. Butchers where i am at are of such high quality one would have to be a bit crazy to not get a steak and such.
If anyone has done the transition and would like to share it here, or leave tips/recipes i would greatly appreciate it. If you want to act like an immature close minded dickhead please refrain from posting on this thread please.
Eggplant, Nuts, soybeans, lentils, All gonna be your friends.

Here i found this link hope its helpful.

http://www.healthaliciousness.com/articles/vegetables-high-in-protein.php
 

curious2garden

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Staff member
Food porn! The best
You like BBQ meat? Come to my house, meet Eggie :) She puts out roast pork like no other. But she will teach you her wicked wicked ways, that sugary, crappy carby sauce is for sissies. You cook slow and long, all the while slowly sipping your single malt beverage of choice. In a mere 18-20 hours you are getting ready learn just how good pig and pecan can taste. So much better than all that sugary crap. It's a deep, sensual sort of sweetness in the 1/4 bark that is both tangy, sweet and a bit musky and then you hit the sweet flesh that is made toothsome by the conversion of all the collagenous fibers mmmmm with just a hint of the fat marbling that basted it for you.

mmmmmmmm

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slowbus

New Member
You like BBQ meat? Come to my house, meet Eggie :) She puts out roast pork like no other. But she will teach you her wicked wicked ways, that sugary, crappy carby sauce is for sissies. You cook slow and long, all the while slowly sipping your single malt beverage of choice. In a mere 18-20 hours you are getting ready learn just how good pig and pecan can taste. So much better than all that sugary crap. It's a deep, sensual sort of sweetness in the 1/4 bark that is both tangy, sweet and a bit musky and then you hit the sweet flesh that is made toothsome by the conversion of all the collagenous fibers mmmmm with just a hint of the fat marbling that basted it for you.

mmmmmmm

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I'm soooo sick of pork.To many Hawaiian joints around here.We used to raise pigs up until 2 or 3 years ago.After doing all that work,Ill pass on the pork..........................
 
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