Another shooting in a Maryland Mall

pSi007

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The point I was trying to make is that a deterrent factor might not dispose the crazy kids, BUT, it WILL make the violent and semi-sane people think twice...

I think mass shootings would be higher due to gang violence in TX and AZ if the gun laws were not so liberal. This was the point I was trying to make. :)
 

schuylaar

Well-Known Member
but wait a minute, TX also has to combat the boarder with Mexico and their bloodbath in progress. Besides, I feel the Waco thing was not the fault of the Davidians (or w/e).. They did not prove to hurt anyone, no warrant should have been issued, same thing with Ruby Ridge and the Gov..


Would anyone rather TX turn into Mexico with the highest Murder-Per-Capita in the world AND guns are illegal in Mexico..

??
mexico is a fascist state and has way more problems than just murder via gun..their murder-per-capita involves it all..they also hold the dismemberment record as well:wink:
 

BSD0621

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Clearly the shooter was trained by the CIA so the morons can slap it under "We need stricter gun laws" but didn't the ATF give the mexican cartels guns? Oh shit! The hypocrisy
 

canndo

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The point I was trying to make is that a deterrent factor might not dispose the crazy kids, BUT, it WILL make the violent and semi-sane people think twice...

I think mass shootings would be higher due to gang violence in TX and AZ if the gun laws were not so liberal. This was the point I was trying to make. :)

Mexcio is a "gun free" country but anyone can have one if they look hard enough,so even otherwise law abiding citizens can get them. Yet people get shot - lot of them. So where is your point? Gang violence? always going to happen in this country, I don't take much of an issue in that unfortunately. I do when folks get to shooting folks in schools and malls and movie theaters, not out of some gang related conflict but... for some other reason, one that so far is incomprehensible to most of us.

We cannot, even if we wanted to, remove all the guns in America. There are too many, it is a constitutional right, and people have every right to protect themselves and their homes.

BUT, to continue to claim that any regulation on firearms is a slipery slope is the ranting of madmen. I doub that the shooting my daughter was involved in would have been halted by magazine capacity or the banning of "assault" weapons what ever the hell they are. Guns are going to fall into the hands of all sorts of crazy people, but crazy people are by definition those who are not capable of understanding the rules or the consequences of their actions.

I once got a text from my sister in law. "your brother is outside my locked bedroom door muttering about how I would look with a bullet in my brain, racking his shotgun over and over again".

Would her having a weapon in her direct posession have altered the situation? I called the police but it was a month long battle to have his collection of firearms removed from his immediate posesssion through a restraining order. He is an angry man and he has a right, due to the fact that he has no "history" of mental illness though we all know he has a problem. I live somewhat in fear that you will read about a rampage of shooting, Blacks and "mexicans" first and then finally women in general. But there is nothing anyone can do until after the fact.

What would you do in a case like that? I have no idea personally, none at all.
 

pSi007

Active Member
mexico is a fascist state and has way more problems than just murder via gun..their murder-per-capita involves it all..they also hold the dismemberment record as well:wink:

the locals did the right thing as a vigilante justice system in Mexico to stop those fucking violent drug gangs.. been reading about that?

http://www.latimes.com/world/worldnow/la-fg-wn-mexico-michoacan-pena-nieto-20140122,0,4240265.story

the locals, with guns, forced the gangs out, and it seems to be working.. see.. guns in the right hands..

Canno, I don't want to fight, man.. you and people around you have been part of wild and uncontrollable situations in life, of which, I can never compare as a personal note. so.. Yes.. I believe with my instinct, the threat, as close in connection it may be, could come to an end.


most people say, Chick-chick, of the shotgun is enough to deter most threatening opponents.
 

BSD0621

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I look at it like this, Canada has more Guns-per-Capita than the USA and the lowest crime rates in the Americas..

Mexico, on the other side of the boarder, has made gun ownership practically illegal and yet they sport one of the highest Murder-per-capita rates in the world.. care to explain?
It's because people want illegal things and will go to great lengths to get said item... it's reverse psychology. Canada legalized pot and you don't have %75 of their people thrown in overcrowded jails over a fucking joint unlike America. America SUCKS! and we need to stop boasting about how "good" this county is because it isn't...
 

canndo

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It's because people want illegal things and will go to great lengths to get said item... it's reverse psychology. Canada legalized pot and you don't have %75 of their people thrown in overcrowded jails over a fucking joint unlike America. America SUCKS! and we need to stop boasting about how "good" this county is because it isn't...
It IS a good country, I love this country for any number of reasons it is just in need of a little change, we've done it before, but conservatives are in constant fear of change.
 

El Tiberon

Active Member
mexico is a fascist? state and has way more problems than just murder via gun..their murder-per-capita involves it all..they also hold the dismemberment record as well:wink:
Would you please give me the definition of fascism as you understand it and how it applies to Mexico? I am not singling you out to pick on you but this is not remotely close to being correct.
 

racerboy71

bud bootlegger
Do you worry about her when she's on the road?

Would you have this reaction had she witnessed this event:
Indiana highway reopens after massive pileup kills 3, injures 22


http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2014/01/24/22420689-indiana-highway-reopens-after-massive-pileup-kills-3-injures-22?lite


If not, why?

3 slain and 22 injured, and yet people don't even bat an eye and simply say "...accidents happen. So sad."

Why is it "acceptable" when citizens "murder and maim" people on the highways with a Honda, Ford, or Peterbilt, and yet it's an "outrage" when some jackass does the same thing with a Smith&Wesson?

Why isn't it a "political issue" when death and mayhem is mentioned concerning our vehicles and roads?

Why don't people call for vehicle bans or more restrictive licensing requirements?


Why?

BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE FUCKING MORONS, that's why.


Nobody deserves to be gunned down by a madman on a rampage. However, nobody deserves to be run down by an idiot/madman driving a g'damn car either.

I'll take my chances though, because I enjoy firearms, and I enjoy the freedom of mobility vehicles provide as well.
you can't even be serious with this, can you?

a however many car pile up on a highway is an, wait for it, accident, while someone taking a gun into a mall and killing 3 people is about as intentional as it gets..

it'd be like saying, don't you care about all the people who die from cancer every year, i don't hear you crying over them, why should you care when someone takes a gun into a mall and kills three people then..
 

pSi007

Active Member
Would you please give me the definition of fascism as you understand it and how it applies to Mexico? I am not singling you out to pick on you but this is not remotely close to being correct.

they call it democracy but i think of it as imperialism, America is drifting toward such terrible ideas of social control.

Edit: Yo Racer, rad.. just clarifying, 2 innocent, 1 shooter, dead. few injured.
 

pSi007

Active Member
I once got a text from my sister in law. "your brother is outside my locked bedroom door muttering about how I would look with a bullet in my brain, racking his shotgun over and over again".

Would her having a weapon in her direct posession have altered the situation? I called the police but it was a month long battle to have his collection of firearms removed from his immediate posesssion through a restraining order. He is an angry man and he has a right, due to the fact that he has no "history" of mental illness though we all know he has a problem. I live somewhat in fear that you will read about a rampage of shooting, Blacks and "mexicans" first and then finally women in general. But there is nothing anyone can do until after the fact.

What would you do in a case like that? I have no idea personally, none at all.


wild times, man.. I can't speak locally for the FFL and DOJ background checks in your state but in California, there is a check-box, which is fraud if lied and it will be checked, which states, "are you on a restraining order or in the last 6mo, something". So, your brother, with a restraining order, will need to be on watch ect..

Was it an isolated incident? you said he was violent and has a restraining order? well, he should not get more guns and the police should check if he has any access to firearms while on a court ordered restraining order.

I have no problem with laws in place for the right reason.. A person who drinks excessive amounts of alcohol and consumes illegal and mind-altering drugs should not have firearms outside of their home. A person who demonstrates violent nature should have his firearm permit revoked..

I believe in stricter laws for offenders or for people who fail to pass basic psychological reviews.. In California, we have some of the strictest guns laws in the country but I never had to take a single psychological test to prove I was sane until I took the CCW classes... and it was easy.

crazy world.. backwards..


people too often worry in hind-sight and not enough in preemption. People always worry when it's too late.. It's sad but as a nature man, I believe in always being prepared for any possible situation.



If I was the victim in her situation, I would go out a window and try to find a neighbors house to call 911. Always report any personal threat because it can become real very fast.
 

El Tiberon

Active Member
Political Scientists have studied fascism for quite some time. There are 14 defining characteristics of fascism. These characteristics are very well-defined. I have come to be less and less surprised how many people's understanding of politics comes from talking heads on television who in all actuality were chosen for physical appearance instead of intellectual capacity. When you examine these characteristics closely, it becomes obvious the US is far more fascist than many sovereigns on the planet including Mexico.

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2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights - Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]

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6. Controlled Mass Media - Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]

7. Obsession with National Security - Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=+1]8. Religion and Government are Intertwined - Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]

9. Corporate Power is Protected - The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]

10. Labor Power is Suppressed - Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed.[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]

11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts - Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts and letters is openly attacked.[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]

12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment - Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]

13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption - Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]

14. Fraudulent Elections - Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.[/SIZE]
 

racerboy71

bud bootlegger
they call it democracy but i think of it as imperialism, America is drifting toward such terrible ideas of social control.

Edit: Yo Racer, rad.. just clarifying, 2 innocent, 1 shooter, dead. few injured.
ok, two dead by gunmen, point still stands though..
 

Wilksey

Well-Known Member
you can't even be serious with this, can you?

a however many car pile up on a highway is an, wait for it, accident, while someone taking a gun into a mall and killing 3 people is about as intentional as it gets..

it'd be like saying, don't you care about all the people who die from cancer every year, i don't hear you crying over them, why should you care when someone takes a gun into a mall and kills three people then..
It's not about "caring" as much as it is about not blaming an object for the actions of human beings, which is exactly what people do EVERY single time somebody does stupid shit with a firearm.

It's a PEOPLE issue, not an "object" issue.

I support killing motherfuckers that are caught using firearms for this kind of violence, which is an attack on the PERSON doing the crime, and not the tool.

Sadly, the overwhelming majority of those who want to ban firearms do not hold the same opinion, and would rather restrict the rights of fellow citizens than hold individuals accountable for their actions.

It's not the gun, the bomb, the axe, the bat, or the hammer, it's the dumb ass motherfucker wielding it that's the "problem". Banning shit doesn't do a g'damn thing....unless everybody on this forum is pretending to possess, cultivate, and enjoy a supposedly banned product.
 

pSi007

Active Member
ok, two dead by gunmen, point still stands though..


It could have been worse. A wild-man with a knife can kill more before they are stopped by a psychologically sane CCW person.


CCW* Concealed Carrier Weapon - license.



I think psychological review needs to be done on all gun sales in the USA, maybe something like a "gun license". :D
 

schuylaar

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It could have been worse. A wild-man with a knife can kill more before they are stopped by a psychologically sane CCW person.


CCW* Concealed Carrier Weapon - license.





I think psychological review needs to be done on all gun sales in the USA, maybe something like a "gun license". :D
you mean like a driver's license?..tyrany i tell you!:lol:
 

UncleBuck

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How free can you really be if you feel the need to carry a firearm around with you for protection, and how free are you when you may well be shot by some citizen for throwing popcorn, or watching a movie, or shopping for furniture in a mall?
:clap:

i award you plus repts.
 

UncleBuck

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my argument is that you don't see shit like this happen in FL, TX, AZ, ect.. (except for a guy 40 years ago) These states have super-liberal gun laws and anyone can carry a gun with a class and simple test.
jared loughner, smarty.
 
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