Another shooting in a Maryland Mall

[BSD0621]

Political Scientists have studied fascism for quite some time. There are 14 defining characteristics of fascism. These characteristics are very well-defined. I have come to be less and less surprised how many people's understanding of politics comes from talking heads on television who in all actuality were chosen for physical appearance instead of intellectual capacity. When you examine these characteristics closely, it becomes obvious the US is far more fascist than many sovereigns on the planet including Mexico.

[SIZE=+1]1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism - Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]

2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights - Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]

3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause - The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]

4. Supremacy of the Military - Even when there are widespread[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]

5. Rampant Sexism - The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Divorce, abortion and homosexuality are suppressed and the state is represented as the ultimate guardian of the family institution.[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]

6. Controlled Mass Media - Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]

7. Obsession with National Security - Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=+1]8. Religion and Government are Intertwined - Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]

9. Corporate Power is Protected - The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]

10. Labor Power is Suppressed - Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed.[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]

11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts - Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts and letters is openly attacked.[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]

12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment - Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]

13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption - Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]

14. Fraudulent Elections - Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.[/SIZE]

Oddly this describes America... OH FUCK! I already knew this though

 

[BSD0621]

Think about a "Gun license", guys and gals.. It would be like a driving license. A responsible person needs to keep up-to-date on their driving permits, why can't the same be done for gun ownership? I know the repugs will oppose but in all solutions of trivial and responsible matters, an up-to-date, "Gun license" would promote proper usage and handling of firearms.

You can continue to own the property, as if it was a car, but to have the item outside of the home should be a violation unless they pass the "gun license" review. It should entail psychological review of owners who wish to be able to use their weapon outside of their own property.

hopefully, it would allow the able-minded people to defend a situation properly.. Geez.. just think if everyone had liberty and the ability to carry a gun.. Think of all the additional weight the item would weigh on the mentality, as well as the body.. millions of delusions of grandeur and physical prowess, the combined weight of the steel alone would fill the scared body of society into delusion..

It really could be a scary place, even if I believe in self-defense.

dude if everyone had guns I fucking bet NO SHOOTINGS WOULD HAPPEN!!! Reverse psychology man! it WORKS!!

 

[BSD0621]

i agree with this point, but in the other post, trying to blame a car that killed someone in an accident as opposed to someone who willingly and knowingly takes a gun and goes into a mall and kills people are two very different things imvho..

i agree, if it weren't for guns, people would simply use w/e else was around to do their killing for them if they were so inclined to kill someone.. look to the middle east, how many people are killed with guns over there? now how many suicide bombers do you hear about where someone straps a bomb onto their back and walks into a mall and blows up people? i hear more about the latter personally..

but yeah, i agree, it's not the weapon that's to blame, it's the nut job so hell bent on wanting to kill others for w/e reason that needs to be examined..

Dude, the media is a tool used to control you and your emotions to get you to be ignorant as fuck... Bank owned propaganda system. ever wonder why those that bring the news are "reporters" and not "journalist"? yeah man, it's means something

 

[BSD0621]

Another shooting in america. Oh golly. People (outside the us) gave up giving a shit about things like this a long while back. You guys and your sensible gun laws made it a rather repetitive and expected event, change it up ffs, break out another fertiliser bomb already, give us something to actually be shocked by.

Like another 9/11 or pearl harbor, which the government knew about and let happen to move forward with their agenda. yeah, it's working

 

[BSD0621]

Only thing that has changed is the response time of media and their ability to show you the details of a single shooting over and over and over again on hundreds of stations and thousands of websites. It isn't happening more, we are just force fed the details about each incident with a scoop shovel.

it's called brain washing to meet the agenda's. It's just that we have the internet, major fucking game changer!

 

[BSD0621]

we should just get rid of all laws since they don't actually stop anyone.

once we do that, i'll be there to rape your wife while you watch.

Interesting you resort to raping someones wife when you get proved wrong?

 

[BSD0621]

MOST police train very infrequently as officially they only have to qualify once maybe twice per year. So at minimum police only have to fire about 100 shots per year. Some police may be enthusiasts, but officially they don't have to "Train" with their weapons all the time. Most need to be out on patrol or doing their jobs.

Many people go to the range far more than once or twice a year too, plenty of them probably shoot thousands of rounds per year.

I think your perception of people who own firearms and police have been severely skewed by the boob tube.

If 100 cars went off a 300 foot cliff, how many do you expect would violently blow up on impact?

I think it's once every 2 years for some states... and it's not hard to pass these test's if my friend was correct.

 

[BSD0621]

it was rhetorical, of course mass murderers prefer semi automatics with high capacity magazines to sticks and stones.

Are you talking about the military or...???

 

[BSD0621]

This is also a silly gun nut argument. no, guns don't often klll people on their own, but people are far more capable of killing far more people with a firearm than those who don't have them. guns don't kill people, but people with guns kill far more than people with knives, bats, bricks or even bombs. Some of these bumper sticker comments are mindless.

Dude more people died on 9/11 from planes. Ban planes then? get what I am saying her?

 

[BSD0621]

REally? so America has the worst parents in the world? pychotropic drugs? you are blaming drugs on a web site that is involved in drugs? How do you accidentaly "parent" your son or daughter to go out and shoot someone in order to solve your problems?

canndo makes a point. If one does NOT have a mental illness and is prescribes psychotropics, it CREATES a problem. Ask someone in the medical field. and America is all about giving you a prescription as it is VERY profitable! Also, our tap water consist's of recycled water, which contains lot's of psychotropics.

 

[BSD0621]

I dont think you understand. The carnage would of been less if everyone in that theater in Aurora, Colorado was packing guns. I mean think of it. A dark crowded theater with a couple hundred people with guns


NEW YORK -- A laid-off clothing designer fatally shot an executive at his former company outside the Empire State Building on Friday, setting off a chaotic showdown with police in front of one of the world's best-known landmarks. Officers killed the gunman and at least nine others suffered minor wounds, likely all of them by stray police gunfire, authorities said.NEW YORK -- A laid-off clothing designer fatally shot an executive at his former company outside the Empire State Building on Friday, setting off a chaotic showdown with police in front of one of the world's best-known landmarks. Officers killed the gunman and at least nine others suffered minor wounds, likely all of them by stray police gunfire, authorities said.

Nooo. more innocents would have died as everyone would be shooting in the dark lol! Also, did they find out who the second shooter was?? Or was that swept under the rug ?

 

[BSD0621]

No, the problem isn't the people with guns.
Your arguments are invalid/illogical from this post forward (I came back to this one).....I think the broken link in your chain of comprehension is this...you believe the government is the solution. You believe the government can save you from bad guys with guns by making laws to do so. You believe that even if the bad guy gets a gun after all guns are illegal that the government will be there to save you.
what do you do when the bad guy IS the government and that motherfucker just took away your guns?

But that could never happen, right?

Self defense aint all about that douche in the mall...and it aint something that can be infringed upon...so suck my non-NRA dick.

Anyone that relies on a "government" or "law enforcement" clearly can't defend themselves off the Internet. Makes sense. I think that is why UncleBuck hits up google in every argument... Otherwise, they'd probably stutter worse then one with autism or something

 

[BSD0621]

Would you be ok with convicted criminals having the right to bear arms after their sentence is served?

I've seen the biggest guy in prison shed tears... So, we all are good people just mis understood...

 

[Antidisestablishmentarian]

I guess we'll have a diifference of opinion here. Most were intelligent and educated, there is no doubt about that. I just don't see something as superlative as "brilliant" being correct for all of them. They were mostly well off men with an education; which gave them most of the tools they needed to make everything happen. I'd say a few were genuinely brilliant (Franklin being one.), but most were folks of average intellect who were in the right place at the right time.

Fair enough.

 

[MasterTHunderfuCk]

This is sad, but true.

 

[Rob Roy]

This is sad, but true.

Yes deception is rampant eh?

 

[canndo]

Who will pay the taxes so the soldiers get paid? I have friends in the military. Those in the military will tell their disdain for Obama, especially when he closed the government and didn't pay some current and veterans. Lots of national guard didn't get paid on time and especially hate him. Many have told me they aren't signing up again until the liberals get out.

Anecdotal for the first part. secondly, if you recall, when the government shut down, the military didn't just close up shop. How long do you think this insurection would last? a week? a month/ six months? the U.s. government could sustain domestic problems for that long easily, even with a reduction in force. oh, i forgot, bricks and bats will kill people and firearms aren't force multipliers, so when the population runs out of their varied ammunition, those rocks and knives will serve just as well against a militia that has stockpiled (according to the right) many tons of rounds - of the sort that will fit into every firearm they employ.

oh the fantasy of the gun toting right, the romance of man and gun and righteousness. "what is rght will prevail, trained soldiers will abandon their posts and missions, even though they are indoctrinated to do as they are told, from day one - and we see in many places throghout the world where they do indeed do so, even when it is at odds with our american morality. or do you need to review abu graib, mai lai, and guantanamo bay.

 

[canndo]

Liberals with guns.
they aren't people, everyone knows that.

Just because a liberal cant control their emotions and wants to kill a few people doesn't mean I should give up my human right to defend myself.

Also, all the comments being tossed around about the military...someone who is in the military will not say so in this particular forum thread....your comments about shit you know nothing about should be framed in the context of you dont know shit, militray persons are way more likely to disagree with everything you have to say. Less than 1% of the population serves this country so you can spout your shit on a forum about growing an illegal plant. They do not blindly serve a master...if and when a choice has to be made you can believe that their beliefs will guide them...not some blind obedience to some fuckin master...believe that.

The second amendment is not vague in it's language, pretty cut and dry....it is only liberals who hate guns that think otherwise.

WRONG, it is very vague, otherwise we wouldn't have the debates we have. I is only the gun nuts who "translate" the 2nd into something "non vague". Had the first clause been struck at the beginning (you know the part about militia?), then you would be corrrect, as it stands you are not.

 

[canndo]

So what you are saying then is that the government is omnipotent and everyone should just bend over and take in in the ass because there is absolutely no hope.

I will wait til after you have taken the big hot load up the ass before I squeeze the trigger....my only contemplation shall be wether to squeeze it twice...I guess I will let your expression guide me....what will your smile indicate?

Say nothing of the kind and it is evident that you read in a binary manner. for us or agin us, and you don't intend to actually comprehend what is being said.


I will clear it up. YOU, your friends, your relatives, your neighbors, numberous as you are, cannot defeat the u.S. military. Omnipotent? no, everyone should just bend over? no, but Get your "militia' together next week, all 28 of you with your automatic weapons and a few granade launchers and make a stand, let's see exactly how far you get.

I want an answer, things are very bad, by all accounts, the government is fixing to make things much much worse, and no one on the right will argue. so WHEN is this final solution going to go into effect? Next week? or when it will be even more impossible for you to do anything about it, when you can and will be watched everywhere you go, and stopped anywhere it is convenient - oh, and the released stories of your demise will look very authentic and work on the vast majority of the public.

When? How? How are you going to overthrow this government and when does it start? Your gun will not save you from the tyranny of the U.S. government, it never in our history has and it never ever will.

 

[canndo]

A little fact for everyone to ponder: There's never been a recorded murder committed in the US by a law abiding concealed carry citizen, not one.

What world do you live in? as of 2011 there have been 63. I believe the texting guy was shot and killed by someone with a ccw.