Another State Of The Union, Who Will Obama Blame?

beenthere

New Member
Your ignorant ass can't even properly locate where a democrat is on the left/right spectrum. Liberals (even if Obama were one) are not left wingers. They are center right to centrist. The left starts at socialism.
You wouldn't know a left winger if he stuck another entitlement up your socialist ass.

Mainstreet republicans are center left to centrist, the republicans moved left and are now what the democrats were a decade ago.
The democrats have been taken over by progress liberals and are considerably left of the political spectrum, leaving decent classic liberals near extinction. You need to pull your head out of your ass ans face reality, the only politicians left of Obama are Bernie Saunders and perhaps Dick Durbin.

Anyone who divides our country with class warfare, advocates redistribution of wealth and believes in a centralized government is far left POS goofball.
 

GOD HERE

Well-Known Member
You wouldn't know a left winger if he stuck another entitlement up your socialist ass.

Mainstreet republicans are center left to centrist, the republicans moved left and are now what the democrats were a decade ago.
The democrats have been taken over by progress liberals and are considerably left of the political spectrum, leaving decent classic liberals near extinction. You need to pull your head out of your ass ans face reality, the only politicians left of Obama are Bernie Saunders and perhaps Dick Durbin.

Anyone who divides our country with class warfare, advocates redistribution of wealth and believes in a centralized government is far left POS goofball.
This post just deservers a big

​LOL
 

NoDrama

Well-Known Member
I know what will fix it!! Build brand new cities miles away from the current ones. Then if one city deteriorates or has a disease or some horrible virus, there is a whole nother city to move into. Imagine the amount of money (debt) that will be generated. It will fix everything.

And of course it will all be risk free.
 

beenthere

New Member
You keep saying Obamacare is a failure, what do you base this on?

I'm not saying it is a success. I think it is too early to assign it either status, thus far I can see it's limitations and potential pitfalls, but I can also see some good it's doing.
Just about everyone I've talked to has either lost their existing insurance or have received a letter telling them they will in the near future.
A couple of friends that have looked on the Cover California exchange told me the coverage was more expensive than their old plans. When they added the co pays and shared costs, they said it's not worth getting the insurance.

Look at the demographics of the enrollees BnB,. To date, 2.2 million have signed up for Obamacare, twice that many have signed up for medicaid.
Less than 25% of the young and healthy who are suppose to offset and pay the cost of the sick and elderly have enrolled. I could go on and on if I had the time.

But the whole Obamacare model was flawed from the beginning, you can't lower the cost of healthcare insurance by adding more non paying consumers of healthcare. The only way to reduce the cost of healthcare insurance, is to lower the costs of healthcare itself, it's as simple as that.
 

beenthere

New Member
I know what will fix it!! Build brand new cities miles away from the current ones. Then if one city deteriorates or has a disease or some horrible virus, there is a whole nother city to move into. Imagine the amount of money (debt) that will be generated. It will fix everything.

And of course it will all be risk free.
I hate cities.
 

Nutes and Nugs

Well-Known Member

  • The only way to reduce the cost of healthcare insurance, is to lower the costs of healthcare itself, it's as simple as that.​




How true.
If you ever looked at an itemized bill from a hospital stay the costs are crazy.

Why are we paying so much for so little?
Much less the contract you sign when being admitted. It basically says if they fuck you up or you die, they can't be sued.
So, what are we paying for?
 

beenthere

New Member

  • The only way to reduce the cost of healthcare insurance, is to lower the costs of healthcare itself, it's as simple as that.​


How true.
If you ever looked at an itemized bill from a hospital stay the costs are crazy.

Why are we paying so much for so little?
Much less the contract you sign when being admitted. It basically says if they fuck you up or you die, they can't be sued.
So, what are we paying for?
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I wish I new all the answers.
But my niece is a radiation therapist at Kaiser Permanente and makes near $100k, has a ton of paid vacation, sick leave, free healthcare ($5 co pay) and an excellent retirement plan and she's only a radiation therapist.
I believe medical assistants starts out around $24hr, god knows what nurses and doctors make.

The hospital she woks at employs about 3000 people so do the math.

And that's just labor.
 

Nutes and Nugs

Well-Known Member
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I wish I new all the answers.
But my niece is a radiation therapist at Kaiser Permanente and makes near $100k, has a ton of paid vacation, sick leave, free healthcare ($5 co pay) and an excellent retirement plan and she's only a radiation therapist. I believe medical assistants starts out around $24hr, god knows what nurses and doctors make. The hospital she woks at employs about 3000 people so do the math and that's just labor.
You got it.
There is no way these people should be making so much money.

I think Obama took away our Like button.
We all have no voice now.
Only mods can give likes.
 

Nutes and Nugs

Well-Known Member
I'm watching my police, fire ambulance monitor.
There is a guy at the nut house threatening suicide.
So they send an ambulance from town 10 miles away to the nuthouse.
The police and ambulance crew will put him in the ambulance and take him back to town to the local hospital.
A doctor will see him and recommend he should be at the nuthouse.
So an ambulance is called to the hospital to transport the person back to the nuthouse again with a police escort.

This shit is crazy!!
 

beenthere

New Member
I'm watching my police, fire ambulance monitor.
There is a guy at the nut house threatening suicide.
So they send an ambulance from town 10 miles away to the nuthouse.
The police and ambulance crew will put him in the ambulance and take him back to town to the local hospital.
A doctor will see him and recommend he should be at the nuthouse.
So an ambulance is called to the hospital to transport the person back to the nuthouse again with a police escort.
,
This shit is crazy!!
And we wonder why shit costs so much here.
Where I live, if someone has a heart attack or any other kind of life threatening emergency. You'll see a couple of fire trucks, an ambulance and two or three police cars.
 

Nutes and Nugs

Well-Known Member
And we wonder why shit costs so much here.
Where I live, if someone has a heart attack or any other kind of life threatening emergency. You'll see a couple of fire trucks, an ambulance and two or three police cars.
Yes!, here too.
But this creates jobs.:wall:
 

UncleBuck

Well-Known Member
You wouldn't know a left winger if he stuck another entitlement up your socialist ass.

Mainstreet republicans are center left to centrist, the republicans moved left and are now what the democrats were a decade ago.
The democrats have been taken over by progress liberals and are considerably left of the political spectrum, leaving decent classic liberals near extinction. You need to pull your head out of your ass ans face reality, the only politicians left of Obama are Bernie Saunders and perhaps Dick Durbin.

Anyone who divides our country with class warfare, advocates redistribution of wealth and believes in a centralized government is far left POS goofball.
that's just hilarious.
 

BigNBushy

Well-Known Member
Just about everyone I've talked to has either lost their existing insurance or have received a letter telling them they will in the near future.
A couple of friends that have looked on the Cover California exchange told me the coverage was more expensive than their old plans. When they added the co pays and shared costs, they said it's not worth getting the insurance.

Look at the demographics of the enrollees BnB,. To date, 2.2 million have signed up for Obamacare, twice that many have signed up for medicaid.
Less than 25% of the young and healthy who are suppose to offset and pay the cost of the sick and elderly have enrolled. I could go on and on if I had the time.

But the whole Obamacare model was flawed from the beginning, you can't lower the cost of healthcare insurance by adding more non paying consumers of healthcare. The only way to reduce the cost of healthcare insurance, is to lower the costs of healthcare itself, it's as simple as that.
But Obama said if you liked... Oh wait.

But seriously, the democrats might say "they can afford it." And in reality they might be able to, it just cuts into their discretionary spending.

I signed up for the aca in January. I plugged in the $8/hr I made when I was at subway and it was damn near free. I figured I'd get caught up with that, but I only had two months of my new job to go on for putting in income.

I made a conservative guestimate and put in $45k, what I would have made if my 11/13 and 12/13 incomes apply to all of 2014, which it won't, but I don't know what I'll make either.

Anyway, a single 30 year old male with no dependents, and $45k annual income. That's what I put in, and I still got a subsidy.

The plan I chose was over 300, and my subsidy brings it under 200.

I shouldn't have a fucking subsidy!

My health insurance shouldn't be over $300 either.

I work for a small business that does not offer health insurance. I couldn't get health insurance otherwise. I weight 240 lbs. No shit, I got turned down every time I tried to buy health insurance because of my weight over the past few years. I could stand to lose a few pounds, but as far as being fat goes, there are a hell of a lot fatter people than me out there.

I have thrown my cautious and optimistic support behind Obamacare. I'm sure there are people out there that it's going to cost a few more dollars for.

Your friends are good examples. But I think, pragmatically, if they are more similar to you (financially speaking) they are petter positioned to absorb the extra costs of insurance than the working poor out there who cannot get health insurance.

I've heard people say it isn't supposed to effect your credit, but I've sold cars, and unpaid medical bills have a very negative impact on credit worthiness.

There are people out there that blindly support Obamacare simply because they system as it was was so flawed it was tragic. So Obama did something, put some rhetoric behind it, and they fell inline.

I was totally opposed to it because cost is the real issue and i don't see anything that will bring costs down. Perhaps cost of insurance premiums to the poor, but that's not the cost that is important.

I think though, the one way this might impact cost is if everyone is covered. My sister in law is a surgeon. She said one month she billed out nearly 100k, but only collected 30k.

I would say this ratio of what is billed to what is collected is close to an industry standard that they plan on. Basically, if her bill is
paid, it's an insurance company paying it, the unpaid ones are the services she gave uninsured patients.

So they inflate the price of their services to the point that all their expenses and profit is covered when 30 percent of their patients pay.

So if everyone has insurance, all her patients will pay, which should enable her to bill 3000 for something she currently bills 9000 for.

But like you, I have my doubts as to if everyone will get insurance. In which case, the plan falls apart.
 

UncleBuck

Well-Known Member
I weight 240 lbs.
holy shit, you just don't stop adding to the picture of dysfunction and hilarity.

30 years old, divorced, overweight, sociopath, working at subway, collecting food stamps, getting over a heroin addiction and unabashedly racist?

you are a young dr. kynes.

you just need to move in with your mother and stop stealing from her is all.

you and kynes should be the fucking spokespersons for the republican party.
 
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