Forum Addiction, addiction to "likes" and "rep"

The Coppers

Well-Known Member
I have seen so many people complaining about the absence of "likes" that I wanted to make sure they understand there is such a thing as internet forum addiction. Funny, that a drug forum member may not realize addiction.

http://www.stevepavlina.com/articles/effective-online-forum-usage.htm


[h=1]Effective Online Forum Usage[/h]What information consumes is rather obvious: it consumes the attention of its recipients. Hence, a wealth of information creates a poverty of attention and a need to allocate that attention efficiently among the overabundance of information sources that might consume it.
- Herbert Simon
Online forums, message boards, and newsgroups are now ubiquitous. These powerful communication tools offer many strong benefits. However, forum participation can also become a destructive addiction, where the benefits are overshadowed by negative side effects.
Here are some potential benefits of regular online forum participation:

  • Intellectual exchange
  • Learning new ideas and refining old ones
  • Enjoying community membership
  • Influencing the forum's evolution
  • Contributing to others
  • Making new friends and contacts
  • New business leads
  • Keeping up with current events
  • Learning about new opportunities
Here are some potential negative effects of excessive forum usage:

  • Reduced concentration and focus
  • Reduced productivity
  • Chronic procrastination
  • Increased pessimism and/or apathy
  • Being distracted by endless debates and idle gossip
  • Gradually substituting tribal group think for your own intelligence
  • Impaired social skills, neglected relationships, and a weakened social circle (a consequence of substituting online socialization for face-to-face conversations)
  • Reduced energy (forum participation is sedentary compared to more active social outlets)
  • Reduced self-esteem
  • Career and income may suffer (including loss of employment)
  • Forum addiction
Since the early 1990s, I've participated in many different online forums, message boards, and newsgroups and have experienced many of these positive and negative effects at various times. I ran a popular game developer forum for almost two years, so I've had experience both as a participant and a forum operator. On the positive side, I've learned many great ideas, made valuable new business contacts, and even met my wife on a local computer bulletin board system. On the negative side, I found excess participation to be a huge time drain (and very addicting as well).
Here are some suggestions for using forums effectively and avoiding the negative side effects:

[h=3]1. Take a Forum Fast[/h]First, if you're currently active in any forums, go on a forum fast. Stop visiting all forums for a while; don't even lurk. I recommend a fasting period of 30 days, with a bare minimum of 14 days. This will help you break any unconscious habits and regain your perspective, so you can intelligently evaluate the role forums should play in your life. Otherwise, you may be coming from a place of unconscious habit and will likely overestimate the value of continued participation. If you're currently a forum moderator, take a forum vacation, and enlist someone to temporarily assume your moderation duties. Redirect the time you would have spent in online forums to something positive like exercising or reading books. If you don't think you have the discipline to do this, simply make a post in each forum explaining that you'll be taking the next 30 days off, and if any forum member catches you online, you'll pay the first person that emails you about it $100. This should give you enough leverage to stick with your fast.

[h=3]2. Reassess Your Forum Usage Habits[/h]Once you've completed the initial fasting period (and not before), take a fresh look at your forum participation habits. Imagine that you just discovered each forum today for the first time. What are the pros and cons of participation? Is this the best use of your time, or can you imagine something better? If you're using forums to get specific information, would it be better to simply read books, articles, or blogs? If you're using them as a social outlet, would it be better to join a local club and meet people face-to-face? Looking back on your previous pattern of behavior, would you say you were addicted? Did your usage pattern become unconscious? If so, how do you intend to prevent that from happening again?

[h=3]3. Clarify Your Expectations[/h]If you decide to participate in online forums, clarify your expectations. Whether you intend to use forums for market research, to make new contacts, or as an outlet for your humorous wit, get clear on why you're there.

[h=3]4. Establish Reasonable Boundaries[/h]To limit the risk of forum addiction, set clear boundaries for yourself and write them down. You can limit the number of times per week you check each forum, the total amount of time you spend participating, or the number of posts you'll allow yourself to make each week. Track your weekly usage on a scrap of paper to keep yourself consciously aware of your participation habits. Don't go dark and succumb to unconscious habituation. Establish clear boundaries such that if you cross them, you know you're at risk of falling into a pattern of addiction. And if that ever happens, it's time to immediately begin a new fasting period.

[h=3]5. Let It Go[/h]If you find yourself repeatedly succumbing to forum addiction or other negative usage patterns, you may decide it's best to simply do without. At the time of this writing, I no longer regularly participate in any online forums or message boards. When I clarified my intentions, I realized my #1 reason for participation was to contribute and to help people. But using forums as a contribution outlet was inefficient, since it would too often lead to lengthy (and mostly unproductive) debates. I found that sticking with one-to-many outlets like writing articles and maintaining a blog were a much better use of my time. Blog comments still allow some interactivity, but the time required to manage them is reasonable and the personal relevance of most blog comments is extremely high.

[h=3]6. Replace Online Socialization With Face-to-Face Contact[/h]Regarding the social aspect, online forums are a poor substitute for meeting people in person. While there's certainly some social benefit to forums - many people have met their spouses in online forums, including me - it's important to physically spend time with human beings instead of via a computer screen. If you need a new social outlet, join a local club or association, especially one that meets weekly. I found that when I joined Toastmasters International and began attending meetings and competing in speech contests, my interest in socializing via online forums fell dramatically. Even the best online communication pales in comparison to face-to-face, belly-to-belly contact.

[h=3]7. Be a Dabbler, Not a Fixture[/h]Another tip is to treat forum participation as temporary. If your goal is to make new business contacts, then dive in and participate actively for a while, maybe 30-90 days. Make new friends and contacts, collect private contact info, and then abandon the forums. Continue to develop your new relationships via one-to-one communication like email, phone calls, and if possible, face-to-face meetings (such as at industry conferences). Temporarily dabbling in many different forums is a more effective way to build contacts than pushing a single forum far beyond its usefulness.
You can also use the dabbling method to gather general information on a subject. Seek out a number of relevant forums and bookmark them. Then spend a few hours scanning each forum once every six months to soak up the current wisdom. Whenever you have a specific question, pop in and search the forum archives. If searching turns up a blank, feel free to post a new message, harvest the answers, and disappear.

[h=3]8. Avoid Addiction[/h]Online forums are tricky beasts. At the time of this writing, my feeling is that ongoing daily participation in any single forum for more than a few months is almost invariably unproductive. Eventually the initial benefits like gaining knowledge and making new contacts produce diminishing returns. And then the negative effects like forum addiction set in. Regular participation (even from unconscious habituation) will still provide some benefits, but the longer you participate, the less efficiently those benefits are realized.
Close cousins of forum addiction include online gaming addiction, web surfing addiction, blog addiction, email addiction, and news addiction. The common pattern is that unconscious habituation overrides conscious, clear-headed decision-making. If you ever find yourself with such an unproductive habit, take steps to reassert conscious control. Use a period of fasting to regain your perspective, reexamine your motives, set clear boundaries, and find alternative outlets. Manage your forum usage consciously to serve your goals, and avoid the trap of addiction.
Online forums can be a powerful productivity tool, but self-awareness and discipline are required to prevent them from becoming a pitfall of procrastination.
 

headwrappedturtle

New Member
I'v done some shameful unforgiving dirty things for rep. worse then heroin.

i feel the op should have adressed issues relating to +rep withdrawal. i personally cant sleep without my rep
 

clint308

Well-Known Member
AAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH i need some likes AAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH
I can't take it anymore , i am self destructing at the fucking moment ...........
I just sniffed a line of cinamon , rubbed chilli in my eyes , sucked on some 3 month old white bait .
It didn't help at all , my names clint i need help
I'm an addict !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

curious2garden

Well-Known Mod
Staff member
I have seen so many people complaining about the absence of "likes" that I wanted to make sure they understand there is such a thing as internet forum addiction. ......snip....
Please list the objective physical signs and symptoms of this withdrawal? Precisely, none, that's the point this is merely another in a long list of bad habits people pick up. The only difference is there was a time when people claimed responsibility for their behavior.
 

Dr.J20

Well-Known Member
addiction is becoming the term of choice for the dominant social institutions to sort people into groups of "normative" and "non-normative" --normal and abnormal.

it used to be madness or insanity. now its going to be addiction. the only saving grace is that the term is so popularly abused (is that ironic?) as in, "oh my God, i'm addicted to these new shoes!" that it will take a much longer time for a social shift sanctioning the segregation of addicts from the rest of society to be achieved.
 

curious2garden

Well-Known Mod
Staff member
addiction is becoming the term of choice for the dominant social institutions to sort people into groups of "normative" and "non-normative" --normal and abnormal.

it used to be madness or insanity. now its going to be addiction. the only saving grace is that the term is so popularly abused (is that ironic?) as in, "oh my God, i'm addicted to these new shoes!" that it will take a much longer time for a social shift sanctioning the segregation of addicts from the rest of society to be achieved.
Precisely and I am opposed to this perversion of a well-defined medical concept. I am also opposed to the DSMs being used to impose the tyranny of the mean.
 

kinetic

Well-Known Member
Precisely and I am opposed to this perversion of a well-defined medical concept. I am also opposed to the DSMs being used to impose the tyranny of the mean.
The DSMs are also being used to help people. There are no locks on rehabs, you can walk out whenever you please. Even if we broke down the system and ended prohibition tomorrow on all drugs there is still a need for drug courts. People will still do stupid shit in the name of getting their high that involve hurting someone else or themselves. The legality of drugs isn't going to keep a crack mother from tying her kids up and putting them in a closet so she chase the dragon all night. It's not going to keep a heroin addict from stealing to support his fix just because it's sanctioned.

Edit: Last time I was at a facility I couldn't help but notice the intelligence level was not on the high side for those that were admitted, as a general rule. Location yes, but I'm willing to garner this place was more the norm than the exception.
 

curious2garden

Well-Known Mod
Staff member
The DSMs are also being used to help people. There are no locks on rehabs, you can walk out whenever you please. Even if we broke down the system and ended prohibition tomorrow on all drugs there is still a need for drug courts. People will still do stupid shit in the name of getting their high that involve hurting someone else or themselves. The legality of drugs isn't going to keep a crack mother from tying her kids up and putting them in a closet so she chase the dragon all night. It's not going to keep a heroin addict from stealing to support his fix just because it's sanctioned.

Edit: Last time I was at a facility I couldn't help but notice the intelligence level was not on the high side for those that were admitted, as a general rule. Location yes, but I'm willing to garner this place was more the norm than the exception.
LOL, yes there can be locks on rehab. facilities depending on the nature of the facility. If you are placed on a 5150 or a 5250 or the various types of conservatorships, you are remanded to a locked facility.

Kinetic I said I was opposed to the DSM being used to impose the tyranny of the mean nothing more or less.

Prohibition is a failed approach to handling addiction. Addiction is a public health issue NOT a criminal one. The concomitant criminal behavior is already correctly handled by the courts with the laws we already have on the books.

We need to separate these two issues. If we take a correct public health approach toward the substance disorder we will have better recidivism rates as well as lowering concomitant criminal actions. The studies have already been done. The US just likes to ignore them.

Cui bono.
 

skunkd0c

Well-Known Member
I have seen so many people complaining about the absence of "likes" that I wanted to make sure they understand there is such a thing as internet forum addiction. Funny, that a drug forum member may not realize addiction.

http://www.stevepavlina.com/articles/effective-online-forum-usage.htm


Effective Online Forum Usage

What information consumes is rather obvious: it consumes the attention of its recipients. Hence, a wealth of information creates a poverty of attention and a need to allocate that attention efficiently among the overabundance of information sources that might consume it.
- Herbert Simon
Online forums, message boards, and newsgroups are now ubiquitous. These powerful communication tools offer many strong benefits. However, forum participation can also become a destructive addiction, where the benefits are overshadowed by negative side effects.
Here are some potential benefits of regular online forum participation:

  • Intellectual exchange
  • Learning new ideas and refining old ones
  • Enjoying community membership
  • Influencing the forum's evolution
  • Contributing to others
  • Making new friends and contacts
  • New business leads
  • Keeping up with current events
  • Learning about new opportunities
Here are some potential negative effects of excessive forum usage:

  • Reduced concentration and focus
  • Reduced productivity
  • Chronic procrastination
  • Increased pessimism and/or apathy
  • Being distracted by endless debates and idle gossip
  • Gradually substituting tribal group think for your own intelligence
  • Impaired social skills, neglected relationships, and a weakened social circle (a consequence of substituting online socialization for face-to-face conversations)
  • Reduced energy (forum participation is sedentary compared to more active social outlets)
  • Reduced self-esteem
  • Career and income may suffer (including loss of employment)
  • Forum addiction
Since the early 1990s, I've participated in many different online forums, message boards, and newsgroups and have experienced many of these positive and negative effects at various times. I ran a popular game developer forum for almost two years, so I've had experience both as a participant and a forum operator. On the positive side, I've learned many great ideas, made valuable new business contacts, and even met my wife on a local computer bulletin board system. On the negative side, I found excess participation to be a huge time drain (and very addicting as well).
Here are some suggestions for using forums effectively and avoiding the negative side effects:

1. Take a Forum Fast

First, if you're currently active in any forums, go on a forum fast. Stop visiting all forums for a while; don't even lurk. I recommend a fasting period of 30 days, with a bare minimum of 14 days. This will help you break any unconscious habits and regain your perspective, so you can intelligently evaluate the role forums should play in your life. Otherwise, you may be coming from a place of unconscious habit and will likely overestimate the value of continued participation. If you're currently a forum moderator, take a forum vacation, and enlist someone to temporarily assume your moderation duties. Redirect the time you would have spent in online forums to something positive like exercising or reading books. If you don't think you have the discipline to do this, simply make a post in each forum explaining that you'll be taking the next 30 days off, and if any forum member catches you online, you'll pay the first person that emails you about it $100. This should give you enough leverage to stick with your fast.

2. Reassess Your Forum Usage Habits

Once you've completed the initial fasting period (and not before), take a fresh look at your forum participation habits. Imagine that you just discovered each forum today for the first time. What are the pros and cons of participation? Is this the best use of your time, or can you imagine something better? If you're using forums to get specific information, would it be better to simply read books, articles, or blogs? If you're using them as a social outlet, would it be better to join a local club and meet people face-to-face? Looking back on your previous pattern of behavior, would you say you were addicted? Did your usage pattern become unconscious? If so, how do you intend to prevent that from happening again?

3. Clarify Your Expectations

If you decide to participate in online forums, clarify your expectations. Whether you intend to use forums for market research, to make new contacts, or as an outlet for your humorous wit, get clear on why you're there.

4. Establish Reasonable Boundaries

To limit the risk of forum addiction, set clear boundaries for yourself and write them down. You can limit the number of times per week you check each forum, the total amount of time you spend participating, or the number of posts you'll allow yourself to make each week. Track your weekly usage on a scrap of paper to keep yourself consciously aware of your participation habits. Don't go dark and succumb to unconscious habituation. Establish clear boundaries such that if you cross them, you know you're at risk of falling into a pattern of addiction. And if that ever happens, it's time to immediately begin a new fasting period.

5. Let It Go

If you find yourself repeatedly succumbing to forum addiction or other negative usage patterns, you may decide it's best to simply do without. At the time of this writing, I no longer regularly participate in any online forums or message boards. When I clarified my intentions, I realized my #1 reason for participation was to contribute and to help people. But using forums as a contribution outlet was inefficient, since it would too often lead to lengthy (and mostly unproductive) debates. I found that sticking with one-to-many outlets like writing articles and maintaining a blog were a much better use of my time. Blog comments still allow some interactivity, but the time required to manage them is reasonable and the personal relevance of most blog comments is extremely high.

6. Replace Online Socialization With Face-to-Face Contact

Regarding the social aspect, online forums are a poor substitute for meeting people in person. While there's certainly some social benefit to forums - many people have met their spouses in online forums, including me - it's important to physically spend time with human beings instead of via a computer screen. If you need a new social outlet, join a local club or association, especially one that meets weekly. I found that when I joined Toastmasters International and began attending meetings and competing in speech contests, my interest in socializing via online forums fell dramatically. Even the best online communication pales in comparison to face-to-face, belly-to-belly contact.

7. Be a Dabbler, Not a Fixture

Another tip is to treat forum participation as temporary. If your goal is to make new business contacts, then dive in and participate actively for a while, maybe 30-90 days. Make new friends and contacts, collect private contact info, and then abandon the forums. Continue to develop your new relationships via one-to-one communication like email, phone calls, and if possible, face-to-face meetings (such as at industry conferences). Temporarily dabbling in many different forums is a more effective way to build contacts than pushing a single forum far beyond its usefulness.
You can also use the dabbling method to gather general information on a subject. Seek out a number of relevant forums and bookmark them. Then spend a few hours scanning each forum once every six months to soak up the current wisdom. Whenever you have a specific question, pop in and search the forum archives. If searching turns up a blank, feel free to post a new message, harvest the answers, and disappear.

8. Avoid Addiction

Online forums are tricky beasts. At the time of this writing, my feeling is that ongoing daily participation in any single forum for more than a few months is almost invariably unproductive. Eventually the initial benefits like gaining knowledge and making new contacts produce diminishing returns. And then the negative effects like forum addiction set in. Regular participation (even from unconscious habituation) will still provide some benefits, but the longer you participate, the less efficiently those benefits are realized.
Close cousins of forum addiction include online gaming addiction, web surfing addiction, blog addiction, email addiction, and news addiction. The common pattern is that unconscious habituation overrides conscious, clear-headed decision-making. If you ever find yourself with such an unproductive habit, take steps to reassert conscious control. Use a period of fasting to regain your perspective, reexamine your motives, set clear boundaries, and find alternative outlets. Manage your forum usage consciously to serve your goals, and avoid the trap of addiction.
Online forums can be a powerful productivity tool, but self-awareness and discipline are required to prevent them from becoming a pitfall of procrastination.

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Unclebaldrick

Well-Known Member
I have seen so many people complaining about the absence of "likes" that I wanted to make sure they understand there is such a thing as internet forum addiction. Funny, that a drug forum member may not realize addiction.

http://www.stevepavlina.com/articles/effective-online-forum-usage.htm


Effective Online Forum Usage

What information consumes is rather obvious: it consumes the attention of its recipients. Hence, a wealth of information creates a poverty of attention and a need to allocate that attention efficiently among the overabundance of information sources that might consume it.
BLAH BLAH BLAH

Wait. You were serious about this? You know people sometimes get addicted to psycho babble. Might wanna look into that. Do you have a charismatic preacher yet?
 

kinetic

Well-Known Member
LOL, yes there can be locks on rehab. facilities depending on the nature of the facility. If you are placed on a 5150 or a 5250 or the various types of conservatorships, you are remanded to a locked facility.

Kinetic I said I was opposed to the DSM being used to impose the tyranny of the mean nothing more or less.

Prohibition is a failed approach to handling addiction. Addiction is a public health issue NOT a criminal one. The concomitant criminal behavior is already correctly handled by the courts with the laws we already have on the books.

We need to separate these two issues. If we take a correct public health approach toward the substance disorder we will have better recidivism rates as well as lowering concomitant criminal actions. The studies have already been done. The US just likes to ignore them.

Cui bono.
5150 & 5250 call for more than rehabs. Psychiatric holds are different and you know this. Let me rephrase this. Locks on inpatient facilities in my state are not locked down. They're locked on the outside but patients are free to leave. I saw a guy walk out on a 28 day rehab to face 7 years of federal time for the crimes committed.

You also know that the U.S. is very different than a country smaller than most of our states where studies like that are done. I can also show stats where certain communities are doing better and healing because of damp laws and ordinances to not sell liquor in their communities. I don't think these smaller communities would do that well with Crack R Us and Heroin Mart set up there. In fact one could say that big oil would love that approach to wiping out those communities in order to gain access to their lands.

Something needs to change for sure. I just don't think that with the history of companies like Phillip Morris that I want them slinging bundles of crack and heroin either. I sure as hell don't want to ever smoke their weed once they get the green light on the acreage they own in N. Cali.

Edit: We also have the white lab coat opiate dealers already, that's really not going that well. As a matter of fact since their rise in the 90's pain management has been leading people down a path of addiction at a pretty steady pace. Everyone trusts the guy in the while lab coat with the sloppy writing though. People are conditioned to accept those little orange bottles as gospel.

ReEdit: I still love ya Annie!
 

kinetic

Well-Known Member
Fuckin' DSM.

Look at it long enough, and we're all mental defectives.
Because we are. Look within anyone without the book long enough and you could say that.

I like trying to be an optimist so I can see the good instead of the fucked up stuff.
 
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