Disproving the need for the state apparatus

[Rob Roy]

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to ChesusRice again.

 

[schuylaar]

Ownership of anything requires recognition of that ownership AND respect of that ownership. This cannot be accomplished when ONE entity holds a monopoly on force and is at the same time the sole arbiter of its own power. In that event ownership will mean whatever they say it means... I'm a fan of the free market, but not the so called ones that exist today.

I see your point about privatization of the state...what do you suggest? Also do you think the Molyneux proposal is better than the present paradigm?

i chose to reply to a non copy/paste post in order not to crash rollitup's server..

blow·hard

noun \-ˌhärd\ : a person who talks too much and who has strong opinions that other people dislike. see windbag.

audio for your listening pleasure:

http://www.merriam-webster.com/audio.php?file=windba01&word=windbag&text=\ˈwin(d)-ˌbag\

 

[Dr.J20]

Shout-Outs to the Marxist peanut gallery aside, they all just reiterate Trotsky's permanent revolution.
why not go to the source and cite Trotsky?

Very true, much of Autonomia derives from the marxist tradition, which is where the majority of scholars place trotsky as well. btw, not saying i at all agree with this jive, just if you're going to go on diatribes with massive C&P's why not pull from more eloquent, better elucidated, more realistic texts?

cannabineer got it right as far as I can tell.

and to the currency issue: once we moved to fiat money it all went paper, no? that means printing and then controlling the circulation. Who does this in a stateless society? to move to the barter system is regressive.

basically your (OP) anarcho-capitalist vision--or i guess it's molyneux's and you just subscribe to it--sits tenuously, even in the abstract realm of the ideal.

and one little side point that i'm going to have to quote the old fashioned way: "It is quite easy to see that when a process that is designed to mediate disputes becomes itself a threat which causes disputes to be mediated privately, it has largely failed in its intent." --No, i disagree. It is not clear that the process itself has failed, but rather that the process has been made exorbitantly expensive, to the point where persons are willing to engage in perfectly legal private mediation at a lower cost than the cost of asking the state to settle your dispute. How is this a comment at all on the (dys)functionality of the legal system? I mean yeah its fucked up, but not because it can be used as a threat...
it (Molyneux/OP) is the kind of writing that uses strong language to seem like it is logically rigorous, but, in fact, it is not.

 

[Dr.J20]

That's a cop out, not an answer.

i agree! 10ch

 

[Dr.J20]

i get the meme, but taking it seriously, are you arguing that not a single government expenditure helped a single tax paying citizen--your political ideology aside, if you use your public park, and you paid taxes that went towards its upkeep, what was stolen from whom?

 

[schuylaar]

see post #42

 

[schuylaar]

let me prove how intelligent i am with a series of copy and pastes written by other people.

and we have to give up "likes" for this shit?

 

[Rob Roy]

i chose to reply to a non copy/paste post in order not to crash rollitup's server..

blow·hard

noun \-ˌhärd\ : a person who talks too much and who has strong opinions that other people dislike. see windbag.

audio for your listening pleasure:

http://www.merriam-webster.com/audio.php?file=windba01&word=windbag&text=\ˈwin(d)-ˌbag\

Thief - A person that steals from their neighbor.

Coward - A person too scared to do the actual theft and relies on some other coercive agent to do it for her.

Whale- A mammal that comes up for air, has a blowhole and smells bad when beached.


Okay, we're even. I guess you have hard time with abstract concepts. Prussian School much?

 

[Dr Kynes]

Very true, much of Autonomia derives from the marxist tradition, which is where the majority of scholars place trotsky as well. btw, not saying i at all agree with this jive, just if you're going to go on diatribes with massive C&P's why not pull from more eloquent, better elucidated, more realistic texts?

cannabineer got it right as far as I can tell.

and to the currency issue: once we moved to fiat money it all went paper, no? that means printing and then controlling the circulation. Who does this in a stateless society? to move to the barter system is regressive.

basically your (OP) anarcho-capitalist vision--or i guess it's molyneux's and you just subscribe to it--sits tenuously, even in the abstract realm of the ideal.

and one little side point that i'm going to have to quote the old fashioned way: "It is quite easy to see that when a process that is designed to mediate disputes becomes itself a threat which causes disputes to be mediated privately, it has largely failed in its intent." --No, i disagree. It is not clear that the process itself has failed, but rather that the process has been made exorbitantly expensive, to the point where persons are willing to engage in perfectly legal private mediation at a lower cost than the cost of asking the state to settle your dispute. How is this a comment at all on the (dys)functionality of the legal system? I mean yeah its fucked up, but not because it can be used as a threat...
it (Molyneux/OP) is the kind of writing that uses strong language to seem like it is logically rigorous, but, in fact, it is not.

Protip: i am not the OP, you can tell because i dont watch "Love It or List It" or keep books of colour swatches under my matress.

and people who say "Anarcho Capitalist" to describe america are almost always marxists in drag.

 

[schuylaar]

Sorry for the long posts. I realize without pictures you have a hard time comprehending.

more like

 

[tokeprep]

and one little side point that i'm going to have to quote the old fashioned way: "It is quite easy to see that when a process that is designed to mediate disputes becomes itself a threat which causes disputes to be mediated privately, it has largely failed in its intent." --No, i disagree. It is not clear that the process itself has failed, but rather that the process has been made exorbitantly expensive, to the point where persons are willing to engage in perfectly legal private mediation at a lower cost than the cost of asking the state to settle your dispute. How is this a comment at all on the (dys)functionality of the legal system? I mean yeah its fucked up, but not because it can be used as a threat...
it (Molyneux/OP) is the kind of writing that uses strong language to seem like it is logically rigorous, but, in fact, it is not.

I would point out that we already have a substantial private arbitration system in the United States. There are many studies showing that private arbitration isn't any cheaper or faster than litigation (indeed, perhaps the real advantage of arbitration for enterprises is that they can choose an arbitrator who has subject matter expertise versus being assigned a potentially ignorant judge at random). Anyone who's been in the business world knows that arbitration gets used as a threat in exactly the same way litigation is. The difference is the verb--"We're going to arbitrate if you don't ____!"

 

[ChesusRice]

Thief - A person that steals from their neighbor.

Coward - A person too scared to do the actual theft and relies on some other coercive agent to do it for her.

Whale- A mammal that comes up for air, has a blowhole and smells bad when beached.


Okay, we're even. I guess you have hard time with abstract concepts. Prussian School much?

You left out
Whiner
-immature teenager who cannot take on the reigns of responsibility and refuses to help out his family unless he feels he wants to

Go clean your room Rob

 

[tokeprep]

Thief - A person that steals from their neighbor.

Coward - A person too scared to do the actual theft and relies on some other coercive agent to do it for her.

Whale- A mammal that comes up for air, has a blowhole and smells bad when beached.

Okay, we're even. I guess you have hard time with abstract concepts. Prussian School much?

Disingenuous - Creating a thread called "Disproving the need for the state apparatus" purporting to do just that and then refusing to answer hard questions that imply some necessity and usefulness for the state apparatus.

I am sorry that you have failed.

 

[schuylaar]

You left out
Whiner
-immature teenager who cannot take on the reigns of responsibility and refuses to help out his family unless he feels he wants to

Go clean your room Rob

*totally like*

 

[ChesusRice]

Disingenuous - Creating a thread called "Disproving the need for the state apparatus" purporting to do just that and then refusing to answer hard questions that imply some necessity and usefulness for the state apparatus.

I am sorry that you have failed.

He will start calling you a Prohibitionist now

 

[Rob Roy]

He will start calling you a Prohibitionist now[/QUOTE


You proposed a law that PROHIBITS the consensual sale of a plant. You repeatedly proposed that. I don't have to call you a prohibitionist, you DECLARED yourself one.

 

[Dr.J20]

Protip: i am not the OP, you can tell because i dont watch "Love It or List It" or keep books of colour swatches under my matress.

and people who say "Anarcho Capitalist" to describe america are almost always marxists in drag.

yeah i know you're not the op, that's why i specified parenthetically...sorry for the confusion...just couldn't remember OP's handle...rob roy everything except the discussion about the geneaology of autonomia from trotsky cum marx on down was for you.
be easy

 

[Dr.J20]

I would point out that we already have a substantial private arbitration system in the United States. There are many studies showing that private arbitration isn't any cheaper or faster than litigation (indeed, perhaps the real advantage of arbitration for enterprises is that they can choose an arbitrator who has subject matter expertise versus being assigned a potentially ignorant judge at random). Anyone who's been in the business world knows that arbitration gets used as a threat in exactly the same way litigation is. The difference is the verb--"We're going to arbitrate if you don't ____!"

Indeed, well said!.

 

[ChesusRice]

He will start calling you a Prohibitionist now[/QUOTE


You proposed a law that PROHIBITS the consensual sale of a plant. You repeatedly proposed that. I don't have to call you a prohibitionist, you DECLARED yourself one.

How about the rest of the proposal?
You can grow and possess any amount you want?

Now go clean your room and think about getting a job. You shouldnt burden your parents just becuase you dropped out of high school and live at home

 

[Dr Kynes]

yeah i know you're not the op, that's why i specified parenthetically...sorry for the confusion...just couldn't remember OP's handle...rob roy everything except the discussion about the geneaology of autonomia from trotsky cum marx on down was for you.
be easy