Dyna-Gro vs Advanced Nutrients Connoisseur (AK47 Grow)

[Lucius Vorenus]

cool cool. ill ride it out and see how it goes.

 

[j.ride]

So I've been using the advice here for my first grow and so far, so good. As an update, I've been using about 1/3 pro-tekt and 2/3 grow to about 500ppm and a PH of 6.5 in promix and all is well. I had a little discoloration and the leaves were turned inwards at one point. I think that was because the light was too close. This has since been remedied. I think some of the discoloration on the top leaves might have also been because the ladies are growing so fast. Can that happen? My supposedly knowledgeable friend said "oh, your PH must be off."

This same friend was also the one who said there's no way dyna-gro can grow plants that yield AND taste as good as a multi-part solution with a ton of boosters. We shall see. He almost sh*t himself when I said that I was going to use only the grow formula for all of bloom. He then went on a long rant about how the increased nitrogen is going to cause all the plants to stretch way more than they would have and massively decrease yield. So I should starve them instead?...

From what I can gather, the growing community can basically be broken down into two groups: The brainwashed masses/naysayers, and truth seeking adventurous individuals. This makes it really easy to determine who's advice I should listen too.

Here's the ladies in veg, one week apart. I took the first pic because I thought I may have done something wrong bending the tops, but I think it turned out well.

 

[homebrewer]

So I've been using the advice here for my first grow and so far, so good. As an update, I've been using about 1/3 pro-tekt and 2/3 grow to about 500ppm and a PH of 6.5 in promix and all is well. I had a little discoloration and the leaves were turned inwards at one point. I think that was because the light was too close. This has since been remedied. I think some of the discoloration on the top leaves might have also been because the ladies are growing so fast. Can that happen? My supposedly knowledgeable friend said "oh, your PH must be off."

This same friend was also the one who said there's no way dyna-gro can grow plants that yield AND taste as good as a multi-part solution with a ton of boosters. We shall see. He almost sh*t himself when I said that I was going to use only the grow formula for all of bloom. He then went on a long rant about how the increased nitrogen is going to cause all the plants to stretch way more than they would have and massively decrease yield. So I should starve them instead?...

From what I can gather, the growing community can basically be broken down into two groups: The brainwashed masses/naysayers, and truth seeking adventurous individuals. This makes it really easy to determine who's advice I should listen too.

Here's the ladies in veg, one week apart. I took the first pic because I thought I may have done something wrong bending the tops, but I think it turned out well.

Keep doing what you're doing if you'd like to see your buddy sh*t himself again .

 

[bassman999]

So I've been using the advice here for my first grow and so far, so good. As an update, I've been using about 1/3 pro-tekt and 2/3 grow to about 500ppm and a PH of 6.5 in promix and all is well. I had a little discoloration and the leaves were turned inwards at one point. I think that was because the light was too close. This has since been remedied. I think some of the discoloration on the top leaves might have also been because the ladies are growing so fast. Can that happen? My supposedly knowledgeable friend said "oh, your PH must be off."

This same friend was also the one who said there's no way dyna-gro can grow plants that yield AND taste as good as a multi-part solution with a ton of boosters. We shall see. He almost sh*t himself when I said that I was going to use only the grow formula for all of bloom. He then went on a long rant about how the increased nitrogen is going to cause all the plants to stretch way more than they would have and massively decrease yield. So I should starve them instead?...

From what I can gather, the growing community can basically be broken down into two groups: The brainwashed masses/naysayers, and truth seeking adventurous individuals. This makes it really easy to determine who's advice I should listen too.

Here's the ladies in veg, one week apart. I took the first pic because I thought I may have done something wrong bending the tops, but I think it turned out well.

They look great, and for a week they sure did grow
Keep it up

 

[Lucius Vorenus]

Ok week 3 of flower here and im at 600ppm (1.2ec) of FP and 150ppm of CalMag. Def starting to get some yellowing pretty bad in about 50% of the plants.

Gonna kick up the base FP to about 900 (1.8ec) and see if that starts to correct things.

 

[homebrewer]

Ok week 3 of flower here and im at 600ppm (1.2ec) of FP and 150ppm of CalMag. Def starting to get some yellowing pretty bad in about 50% of the plants.

Gonna kick up the base FP to about 900 (1.8ec) and see if that starts to correct things.

What kind of water are you using?

 

[Lucius Vorenus]

What kind of water are you using?

RO and it's currently 10ppm

 

[joe macclennan]

Ok week 3 of flower here and im at 600ppm (1.2ec) of FP and 150ppm of CalMag. Def starting to get some yellowing pretty bad in about 50% of the plants.

Gonna kick up the base FP to about 900 (1.8ec) and see if that starts to correct things.

damn, that seems like a really high ec to me. I never go over 1.1-1.2 and that's a co2 enriched room too. Really i'm finding that around .9-1.0 seems about right for flower.

and I have almost eliminated the magpro altogether after reading some of hb's posts. Honestly, I experienced worse deff. symptoms when I was running cal mag or magpro. Even running ro water too. I have to agree with him that dgro contains enough cal and mag in it's self.

something to think about there.

put some pics up and it'll be easier to diagnose brother.

 

[Lucius Vorenus]

damn, that seems like a really high ec to me. I never go over 1.1-1.2 and that's a co2 enriched room too. Really i'm finding that around .9-1.0 seems about right for flower.

and I have almost eliminated the magpro altogether after reading some of hb's posts. Honestly, I experienced worse deff. symptoms when I was running cal mag or magpro. Even running ro water too. I have to agree with him that dgro contains enough cal and mag in it's self.

something to think about there.

put some pics up and it'll be easier to diagnose brother.

I don't know about all that man. I run .8-1.0 on my veg plants and they take it fine.

 

[homebrewer]

I gotta go with Joe on this one. No need for cal/mag supplements and that EC is too high, IMO.

 

[joe macclennan]

see, I'm still getting a bit of tip burn @ .6 ec in veg. I run my moms @ around .7 and they have a bit of tip burn too. Next water change I'm dropping by another .1 on each and that's only running 50/50 gro/fol pro. Honestly, i've never seen such good lush growth before

I've learned a lot from reading hb's posts.

Oh, and I only flood 2x/day with lights on 18 hrs. 10" netpots for moms. so it's not like i'm flooding ten times a day at super low levels. They REALLY like these lower levels.

tellin ya man. Less is better with Dyna. obviously strain dependent. (ogk and KK here)

 

[joe macclennan]

I gotta go with Joe on this one. No need for cal/mag supplements and that EC is too high, IMO.

shit man, I'm just following your lead. I have to give you all kinds of credit here because it really was you who convinced me to try less.....and I couldn't be happier @ the moment.

 

[homebrewer]

see, I'm still getting a bit of tip burn @ .6 ec in veg. I run my moms @ around .7 and they have a bit of tip burn too. Next water change I'm dropping by another .1 on each and that's only running 50/50 gro/fol pro. Honestly, i've never seen such good lush growth before

I've learned a lot from reading hb's posts.

Oh, and I only flood 2x/day with lights on 18 hrs. 10" netpots for moms. so it's not like i'm flooding ten times a day at super low levels. They REALLY like these lower levels.

tellin ya man. Less is better with Dyna. obviously strain dependent. (ogk and KK here)

I think less is better with ANY plant food to be honest. It took a while but eventually what worked best with GH was the same levels I'm at now with DG. H&G's Aqua Flakes killed it at those same levels too. Too high an EC can cause all kinds of issues in your medium. Your plant wont use those extra salts and they'll just clog sh*t up, mess with your pH, and lockout elements. I think that's when people start shouting 'add calmag, man!' when in reality there is TOO MUCH Ca and Mg (among other elements) in the medium already. This is the only time I support 'flushing' or as I call it; leaching.

 

[Lucius Vorenus]

I gotta go with Joe on this one. No need for cal/mag supplements and that EC is too high, IMO.

Well then I don't know what. I am also running some Advanced and it calls for 11ml per gal and even that puts me at 1000ppm in RO. Not sure what the deal is.

I will say, my lights in my rooms are very intense and that might be playing a role in how much nutrient the plants use. none of my lights are further than 18" off the canopy and they are 1000w.

 

[Lucius Vorenus]

I think less is better with ANY plant food to be honest. It took a while but eventually what worked best with GH was the same levels I'm at now with DG. H&G's Aqua Flakes killed it at those same levels too. Too high an EC can cause all kinds of issues in your medium. Your plant wont use those extra salts and they'll just clog sh*t up, mess with your pH, and lockout elements. I think that's when people start shouting 'add calmag, man!' when in reality there is TOO MUCH Ca and Mg (among other elements) in the medium already. This is the only time I support 'flushing' or as I call it; leaching.

Plants have already been flushed to 200ppm from 1100 ppm. Then put back on 600ppm. Still no correction of the yellowing though. Maybe ill give it a couple more days to correct. To be honest, its just VERY pale leafs. Not any real deficiency and I can tell when a plant is getting too much. These are not.

 

[joe macclennan]

i'm convinced man. It took me close to a year of slowly dropping my ec and using more N throughout to get where I am now.

not bad considering i've been doing it all wrong for the past 8 lol Old habits are really hard to break.

I never used to use ro either. another thing I give you credit for.

my well water runs around 350ppm and i'd add another 5-600 dyna to it and run. I'd always end up with major necrosis by week 6. all sorts of deficiencies. Adding calmag left and right.

i've been able to cut my nute bill in half while increasing water change frequency by 30%

so basically they are getting fresh nutes more often for less money.....no brainer.

 

[joe macclennan]

Well then I don't know what. I am also running some Advanced and it calls for 11ml per gal and even that puts me at 1000ppm in RO. Not sure what the deal is.

I will say, my lights in my rooms are very intense and that might be playing a role in how much nutrient the plants use. none of my lights are further than 18" off the canopy and they are 1000w.

no way!

I'm @ just over 60w/sq ft @ 12-15" off canopy. In fact I checked some tops with my ir thermometer earlier and they are getting to 88f with no visible signs of burn.



just because a companies "feeding schedule" calls for a certain amount really doesn't mean jack.

throw that feeding chart out and watch the girls.

 

[homebrewer]

I will say, my lights in my rooms are very intense and that might be playing a role in how much nutrient the plants use. none of my lights are further than 18" off the canopy and they are 1000w.

Just a heads up, you're probably going to want to raise those lamps. I run 600s at more than 2ft above my canopy and my yields are pretty solid for the space that my trays/pots take up.

Plants have already been flushed to 200ppm from 1100 ppm. Then put back on 600ppm. Still no correction of the yellowing though. Maybe ill give it a couple more days to correct. To be honest, its just VERY pale leafs. Not any real deficiency and I can tell when a plant is getting too much. These are not.

I still think 600ppm (1.2ish EC) is too high but do what you gotta do. Those lower leaves probably wont green up, look to your new growth to see how things are going. After a few weeks your leaves on the lower parts of your plants should stay green and healthy. Again, drop the calmag and lower your EC, that's my take. It's going to be a 'wait and see' situation here.

 

[Lucius Vorenus]

Just a heads up, you're probably going to want to raise those lamps. I run 600s at more than 2ft above my canopy and my yields are pretty solid for the space that my trays/pots take up.



I still think 600ppm (1.2ish EC) is too high but do what you gotta do. Those lower leaves probably wont green up, look to your new growth to see how things are going. After a few weeks your leaves on the lower parts of your plants should stay green and healthy. Again, drop the calmag and lower your EC, that's my take. It's going to be a 'wait and see' situation here.

My lights are already to the ceiling unfortunately

 

[joe macclennan]

Just a heads up, you're probably going to want to raise those lamps. I run 600s at more than 2ft above my canopy and my yields are pretty solid for the space that my trays/pots take up.

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I tell ya what. I ran mine @ 24-30" for a looong time. I recently dropped them down to 12-15" and am very impressed. Closer is indeed better in my case. and that's with cooled 1ks