Obstruction - The right's last option

Pinworm

Pinworm

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http://crooksandliars.com/jon-perr/republicans-unprecedented-obstructionism-by-numbers

Seems all the right can do anymore to push their agenda, is to do everything possible to stop the left's. Like, wasting precious time voting to 47 times to repeal the affordable care act, or blowing 24 billion, letting a tiny faction of their party shut down the government, because they couldn't get what they wanted (while over a million were laid off). Pretty ironic. The party of "fiscal responsibility" who just last year, ran on a platform of CREATING jobs, and helping the economy, let millions of people lose their jobs, and cost everyone billions. They vowed in 2008 to do everything they can to stop King Obama...They'll have to try a bit harder it seems.
 
NLXSK1

NLXSK1

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Pinworm said:
http://crooksandliars.com/jon-perr/republicans-unprecedented-obstructionism-by-numbers

Seems all the right can do anymore to push their agenda, is to do everything possible to stop the left's. Like, wasting precious time voting to 47 times to repeal the affordable care act, or blowing 24 billion, letting a tiny faction of their party shut down the government, because they couldn't get what they wanted (while over a million were laid off). Pretty ironic. The party of "fiscal responsibility" who just last year, ran on a platform of CREATING jobs, and helping the economy, let millions of people lose their jobs, and cost everyone billions. They vowed in 2008 to do everything they can to stop King Obama...They'll have to try a bit harder it seems.
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10 years ago the Democrats were doing it to bush with your hearty approval.

Congrats on being a total hypocrite. At least you got consistancy going for you...
 
Pinworm

Pinworm

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NLXSK1 said:
10 years ago the Democrats were doing it to bush with your hearty approval.

Congrats on being a total hypocrite. At least you got consistancy going for you...
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*consistency (at least you've got horrible spelling going for you) Y cant yew make speak talk bruh?
 
Pinworm

Pinworm

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Cut and pasted for you pleasures:

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/obstruction-obstructions-sake

If you need any more proof that Senate Republicans' sole mission at the moment is to prevent anything from happening in their chamber of Congress, look no further than the fact that today the Senate had to seek cloture on the nomination Barbara Milano Keenan to fill a vacancy on the Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals, resulting in a vote of 99-0. -

See more at: http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/obstruction-obstructions-sake#sthash.FHc2hpQ4.dpuf
 
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schuylaar

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Pinworm said:
http://crooksandliars.com/jon-perr/republicans-unprecedented-obstructionism-by-numbers

Seems all the right can do anymore to push their agenda, is to do everything possible to stop the left's. Like, wasting precious time voting to 47 times to repeal the affordable care act, or blowing 24 billion, letting a tiny faction of their party shut down the government, because they couldn't get what they wanted (while over a million were laid off). Pretty ironic. The party of "fiscal responsibility" who just last year, ran on a platform of CREATING jobs, and helping the economy, let millions of people lose their jobs, and cost everyone billions. They vowed in 2008 to do everything they can to stop King Obama...They'll have to try a bit harder it seems.
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29 billion to be exact..that will NEVER flow through our economy.
 
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tokeprep

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Calling it "obstruction" implies that the president has some right to advance his agenda, which is ridiculous. He has no such right. The house is independently elected every two years and answerable to constituencies far closer than the president's. It is--intentionally--the most powerful part of the federal government.

If the president wishes to advance his agenda, he must work with the house. The president has generally refused to do this. All of the tactics you just mentioned are nothing new, they've been seen and dealt with by each of the four presidents (Democrats and Republicans) who preceded Obama, and yet those presidents still got things done. By making intractable demands? By taking things off the table or refusing to put them on? By refusing to meet with or build relationships with people on the other side? By having the wrong people in legislative outreach positions in the White House? By letting personal and political animosity get in the way of policy development? Oh no, certainly not! No other president has gotten much done with that behavior. And that's what separates Obama from the four other presidents I just mentioned, all of whom faced exactly the same challenge of split government. Of course, all of those presidents had far, far more executive experience than Obama had, since he had none. Maybe we've learned something about electing presidents from the magical Obama fantasy: electing people who have no executive experience whatsoever probably isn't a great idea. The most effective recent presidents, Clinton and Reagan, came to office with substantial executive experience and both worked very successfully with the opposition. That's what leaders do.
 
Pinworm

Pinworm

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"The president has no right to advance his agenda" - tokeprep

....from the party that brought you:

-I'll break you in half like a little boy (you aren't man enough)
-Letting Ted Cruz blow 29 billion and furlow millions
-Can't run a bridge without murdering people
-We have no more funding - Harold Simmons and Bob Perry are dead ($50m)
-Lost $1.3b in return investments + 6 senate seats
-Letting Ted Cruz's penis slap John Boehner in the face
-They said Obama was that “socialist, anti-American liberal” who was born in Africa and shouldn’t be president. The GOP hasn’t slowed down, and conservatives have taken every opportunity at being anti-Obama, rather than focusing on their own politics. This tactic has severely hurt the GOP, and they have suffered a staggering loss in their approval rating, 28 percent at its lowest, because of their obstruction in Congress.
-FilibusterFillibusterFillibuster (just, not the real kind)
 
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tokeprep

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Pinworm said:
"The president has no right to advance his agenda" - tokeprep

....from the party that brought you:

-I'll break you in half like a little boy (you aren't man enough)
-Letting Ted Cruz blow 29 billion and furlow millions
-Can't run a bridge without murdering people
-We have no more funding - Harold Simmons and Bob Perry are dead ($50m)
-Lost $1.3b in return investments + 6 senate seats
-Letting Ted Cruz's penis slap John Boehner in the face
-They said Obama was that “socialist, anti-American liberal” who was born in Africa and shouldn’t be president. The GOP hasn’t slowed down, and conservatives have taken every opportunity at being anti-Obama, rather than focusing on their own politics. This tactic has severely hurt the GOP, and they have suffered a staggering loss in their approval rating, 28 percent at its lowest, because of their obstruction in Congress.
-FilibusterFillibusterFillibuster (just, not the real kind)
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No president has any right to advance his agenda. I'm sorry that you're unfamiliar with our constitution. The congress makes laws and the president executes them; no president has the right to compel laws of his liking.

If you want to advance an agenda, you must convince the people empowered to advance it that they should. That is what presidents generally do--that is what they must do to succeed--and that is precisely what Obama has not done.
 
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beenthere

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Pinworm said:
"The president has no right to advance his agenda" - tokeprep

....from the party that brought you:

-I'll break you in half like a little boy (you aren't man enough)
-Letting Ted Cruz blow 29 billion and furlow millions
-Can't run a bridge without murdering people
-We have no more funding - Harold Simmons and Bob Perry are dead ($50m)
-Lost $1.3b in return investments + 6 senate seats
-Letting Ted Cruz's penis slap John Boehner in the face
-They said Obama was that “socialist, anti-American liberal” who was born in Africa and shouldn’t be president. The GOP hasn’t slowed down, and conservatives have taken every opportunity at being anti-Obama, rather than focusing on their own politics. This tactic has severely hurt the GOP, and they have suffered a staggering loss in their approval rating, 28 percent at its lowest, because of their obstruction in Congress.
-FilibusterFillibusterFillibuster (just, not the real kind)
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Do you have any proof that it was only the republicans who shut down the government?
Or is it just your opinion?
 
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BigNBushy

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schuylaar said:
29 billion to be exact..that will NEVER flow through our economy.
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I don't get how it will never flow through our economy, at least how all of it won't.

The response you made basically says that since lots of people lost jobs, the economy lost their wages. That isn't the case, they lost them, but their employers still have that money, and will spend it on other things. These people weren't synthesizing money out of thin air, that's what the federal reserve does.
 
Pinworm

Pinworm

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tokeprep said:
No president has any right to advance his agenda.
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That's his job. That's why he nailed 5 million more votes than Mittbag. That's exactly why we voted Barry Obams in ----- to advance his agenda.

Executive, Judicial, Congressional. All branches represent the people, and that's what he's done. This is 101 stuffs, bro.
 
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beenthere

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BigNBushy said:
I don't get how it will never flow through our economy, at least how all of it won't.

The response you made basically says that since lots of people lost jobs, the economy lost their wages. That isn't the case, they lost them, but their employers still have that money, and will spend it on other things. These people weren't synthesizing money out of thin air, that's what the federal reserve does.
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I don't get how they can pin the shutdown on one party, it's a lie.
 
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