The left, the true idiots of America where wrong is right and right is wrong...

[canndo]

I beg your pardon, your answer is very misleading.
It's no secret that democrats are for total amnesty, to say otherwise is either ignorance or a lie.

Now you have yourself in a situation. Sure, perhaps the Dems are for total amnesty (I really don't know - I know I am not), yet, the moment they are gven amnesty, they are no longer here illegaly.... now are they?

And if we are still talking about contradictions, how about answering my question, want to round them all up and deport them?

 

[canndo]

The Minneapolis airport used to have a lot of Muslims doing security, due to having the nations highest population of Somalis. I'm not sure of the number of them now, due to the lack of flying out of there.

I thought it rather ironic - muslims searching old white guys and the like for weapons and bombs, and money.

 

[ChesusRice]

I beg your pardon, your answer is very misleading.
It's no secret that democrats are for total amnesty, to say otherwise is either ignorance or a lie.

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So is Rupert Murdoch. He is for full amnesty and citizenship

 

[jahbrudda]

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So is Rupert Murdoch. He is for full amnesty and citizenship

Singling out a few people proves nothing, I'm sure there are democrats that desire a secure border and are against amnesty.
But there is no doubt that the majority of democrats are pro amnesty.

 

[ChesusRice]

Singling out a few people proves nothing, I'm sure there are democrats that desire a secure border and are against amnesty.
But there is no doubt that the majority of democrats are pro amnesty.

You mean like Ronald Reagan?

 

[canndo]

Singling out a few people proves nothing, I'm sure there are democrats that desire a secure border and are against amnesty.
But there is no doubt that the majority of democrats are pro amnesty.

We agree, singling out a few people proves nothing.

 

[kpmarine]

Singling out a few people proves nothing, I'm sure there are democrats that desire a secure border and are against amnesty.
But there is no doubt that the majority of democrats are pro amnesty.

I think folks on both sides are catching on that spending tax money to deport illegals that aren't dangerous is inferior compared to collecting taxes from them.

 

[canndo]

I think folks on both sides are catching on that spending tax money to deport illegals that aren't dangerous is inferior compared to collecting taxes from them.

I don't know, I've played with the numbers a couple of times. Some of the costs are hard to figure, burden on infrastructure being one. Usually, illegals tend to place a burden on things when zoning gets whacked. Hospitals and ER, water, sewer, streets, refuse collection and the like. Sure, they pay into Social Security and never get it back, they pay sales tax and many times payroll taxes but I have seen figures showing that exportation over the long run (with a secure border of course), could bring over all costs down enough to pay for their detainment, due process,and exportation.

But our guy won't answer the question - if the original poster claims that "spending trillions cannot cure a debt of trillions", then any way you look at it, insisting on mass deportation is a..... contradiction.

 

[kpmarine]

I don't know, I've played with the numbers a couple of times. Some of the costs are hard to figure, burden on infrastructure being one. Usually, illegals tend to place a burden on things when zoning gets whacked. Hospitals and ER, water, sewer, streets, refuse collection and the like. Sure, they pay into Social Security and never get it back, they pay sales tax and many times payroll taxes but I have seen figures showing that exportation over the long run (with a secure border of course), could bring over all costs down enough to pay for their detainment, due process,and exportation.

But our guy won't answer the question - if the original poster claims that "spending trillions cannot cure a debt of trillions", then any way you look at it, insisting on mass deportation is a..... contradiction.

If you get amnesty, then you have to pay taxes to keep it. The ideal combo would be amnesty, a secure border, and actual penalties for hiring undocumented workers. I'm not saying it's more effective to just ignore the issue.

 

[canndo]

If you get amnesty, then you have to pay taxes to keep it. The ideal combo would be amnesty, a secure border, and actual penalties for hiring undocumented workers. I'm not saying it's more effective to just ignore the issue.

Ah! now you have gotten to the crux. Amnesty didn't work last time. What happened that time? No change at the border. "amigo, I hear they are giving amnesty in Los Estados Unidos". "I also hear there are jobs there". I have worked for employers and known employers who paid illegals, lots of them, under the table. Close the borders (best you can anyway) and stop employers from hiring.


We know it can be done - there is a national registry in order to find deadbeat parents - believe me, it works. Why isn't there one for illegals? fake Social security numbers, but that can be handled. Why isn't this being done? because deadbeat parents don't have lobbyists, those who employ illegals do.

That is what I find so strange about the right's insistance on exporting the help they secretly want to stay in the country.

 

[UncleBuck]

Was that a yes, a no, or a, I failed to read the question.
You are just struggling at this, aren't you.

damn you're dumb.

 

[ChesusRice]

Ah! now you have gotten to the crux. Amnesty didn't work last time. What happened that time? No change at the border. "amigo, I hear they are giving amnesty in Los Estados Unidos". "I also hear there are jobs there". I have worked for employers and known employers who paid illegals, lots of them, under the table. Close the borders (best you can anyway) and stop employers from hiring.


We know it can be done - there is a national registry in order to find deadbeat parents - believe me, it works. Why isn't there one for illegals? fake Social security numbers, but that can be handled. Why isn't this being done? because deadbeat parents don't have lobbyists, those who employ illegals do.

That is what I find so strange about the right's insistance on exporting the help they secretly want to stay in the country.

Why do they come here illegally? Why dont they just use the visa process?

 

[jahbrudda]

If it was left up to democrats, would people entering the US illegally be arrested and deported, yes or no?

Note the "yes" or "no" at the end of my question.

obama's deported a record number of illegals.

i just showed you a news story about illegals being deported from san francisco.

i'm not quite sure how you go about pretending these facts don't exist.

Note the lack of yes or no in your answer.

Was that a yes, a no, or a, I failed to read the question.
You are just struggling at this, aren't you.

Note, I ask one more time and you fail to answer.

damn you're dumb.

Were you one of those kids that got a trophy in little league for just participating?

 

[UncleBuck]

Note the lack of yes or no in your answer.

note the fact that a democrat president has done a record number of deportations.

note the reference to deportations in a very liberal city.

you should be able to infer a yes or no from these basic, mundane facts.

well, maybe not you. but most people who function at a level higher than two standard deviations below average on a WAIS-IV would be able to infer a yes or no out of those simple facts.

derp dee der.

 

[NLXSK1]

And I would be happy to let them be except for the fact that they demand the government confiscate my income to pay for their programs...

 

[kpmarine]

Note the "yes" or "no" at the end of my question.
Note the lack of yes or no in your answer.



Note, I ask one more time and you fail to answer.


Were you one of those kids that got a trophy in little league for just participating?

People are much more inclined to answer yes or no to a question that is genuinely as simple as yes/no. The question you posed is only good for forming an picture much too narrow in scope to tell you anything. For example: I support amnesty, but that is not a general amnesty with no strings attached. See how just a yes or no would create a completely useless picture of a person's beliefs in this case?

 

[ChesusRice]

[h=1]Survey: Online trolls are 'everyday sadists'



http://www.cnn.com/2014/02/11/tech/web/online-trolls-sadists/[/h]

 

[ChesusRice]

And I would be happy to let them be except for the fact that they demand the government confiscate my income to pay for their programs...

Can you cite an example that doesnt originate from one of John Tantons organizations?

 

[UncleBuck]

And I would be happy to let them be except for the fact that they demand the government confiscate my income to pay for their programs...

http://m.foxbusiness.com/quickPage.html?page=19453&content=38441598&pageNum=-1

Despite Rhetoric, Illegal Immigration Provides Benefits to States

The most thorough study on the fiscal and economic impact of immigration was done by the non-partisan Texas Comptrollers' Office in 2006, which showed Texas earned more in taxes and economic output from illegal immigrants than governments spent to provide services.


According to the Comptrollers' office, state and local governments spent $1.16 billion to provide services like education, health care and safety, but raised an estimated $1.58 billion in tax revenues. Based on the data, the Texas taxpayer made a $424.7 million profit on its illegal immigrant population in 2006.

i know how much you like fox news, kiddo. so i made sure to cite fox news for this one.

you're welcome.

 

[jahbrudda]

People are much more inclined to answer yes or no to a question that is genuinely as simple as yes/no. The question you posed is only good for forming an picture much too narrow in scope to tell you anything. For example: I support amnesty, but that is not a general amnesty with no strings attached. See how just a yes or no would create a completely useless picture of a person's beliefs in this case?

If that is the case, do you support the amnesty bill the democrats are proposing?