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jahbrudda

jahbrudda

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canndo said:
Nope, nobody is "forced" to do anything - except when Wallmart perfers to tell it's employees to find state or federal programs to help them eat and live while they are paying dirt wages.
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Do you think Walmart would be the mega corporation it is today, without the help of the federal government?
 
kpmarine

kpmarine

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kelly4 said:
Where do you think the people that work at Walmart shop? The workers are part of the problem.

Anyone who has ever shopped at Walmart is part of the problem. You should start a world wide boycott.
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The problem is twofold: Wally world pays shit, and they offer an employee discount while undercutting most local business. In order for employees to shop elsewhere, they would need to be paid more. It's the best way to do things, because you can't just pay employees in money that's only good at the company store these days.
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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kpmarine said:
The problem is twofold: Wally world pays shit, and they offer an employee discount while undercutting most local business. In order for employees to shop elsewhere, they would need to be paid more. It's the best way to do things, because you can't just pay employees in money that's only good at the company store these days.
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kinda like the old mining towns back in the days, or hoover dam's town when it was being built.
 
kpmarine

kpmarine

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UncleBuck said:
kinda like the old mining towns back in the days, or hoover dam's town when it was being built.
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Man, why did big government have to step in and demand that employees be paid in legal tender? Always trying to keep those job creators down.
 
kpmarine

kpmarine

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jahbrudda said:
No, I'm talking about lobbying and regulations.
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I think they would still be operating at a massive scale. It's likely that their profits would be lower if they weren't able to throw money at laws they don't like. Without regulations, they would likely be much larger and even worse employers.
 
jahbrudda

jahbrudda

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kpmarine said:
I think they would still be operating at a massive scale. It's likely that their profits would be lower if they weren't able to throw money at laws they don't like. Without regulations, they would likely be much larger and even worse employers.
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I see it quite the opposite. If big corporations like Walmart and Home Depot did not have the political power to lobby the government, the mom and pop stores of yesterday would still be thriving today. Regulations are not to benefit the consumer, they are for the well being of vested interests.
 
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ChesusRice

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jahbrudda said:
I see it quite the opposite. If big corporations like Walmart and Home Depot did not have the political power to lobby the government, the mom and pop stores of yesterday would still be thriving today. Regulations are not to benefit the consumer, they are for the well being of vested interests.
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Lobby the goverment how?
They are still tyring to get more walmarts in CHicago
 
kpmarine

kpmarine

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jahbrudda said:
I see it quite the opposite. If big corporations like Walmart and Home Depot did not have the political power to lobby the government, the mom and pop stores of yesterday would still be thriving today. Regulations are not to benefit the consumer, they are for the well being of vested interests.
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Wal Mart grew large because it capitalized on a high-volume at low prices strategy. They have been able to thrive because of cheaper product and shipping costs afforded by being a larger chain. If they couldn't subsidize wages with welfare, then they might have a harder time being quite as expansive. Government hasn't been keeping them afloat. It's just helping them increase their margins.

As for regulations, that's a vague term. Regulations banning harmful things, like lead paint on children's toys, are clearly beneficial to the consumer.
 
jahbrudda

jahbrudda

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kpmarine said:
Wal Mart grew large because it capitalized on a high-volume at low prices strategy. They have been able to thrive because of cheaper product and shipping costs afforded by being a larger chain. If they couldn't subsidize wages with welfare, then they might have a harder time being quite as expansive. Government hasn't been keeping them afloat. It's just helping them increase their margins.

As for regulations, that's a vague term. Regulations banning harmful things, like lead paint on children's toys, are clearly beneficial to the consumer.
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If you are asking me to cite specific regulations, that is a bit unreasonable, but I have read many articles on the subject that backs up the argument.
In a nutshell, big businesses are able to absorb the extra cost of complying with costly regulations, they have attorneys on payroll just to navigate through the regulations that other attorneys wrote. The mom and pop store down the street cannot afford to comply so they go out of business.

If you don't believe me, here are a few links for you read, decide for yourself.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/al-norman/walmart-lobbyists_b_3632526.html
http://www.adamsmith.org/blog/regulation-industry/of-course-big-business-loves-regulation
http://townhall.com/columnists/johnstossel/2006/09/27/big_business_loves_government/page/full
 
canndo

canndo

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jahbrudda said:
I see it quite the opposite. If big corporations like Walmart and Home Depot did not have the political power to lobby the government, the mom and pop stores of yesterday would still be thriving today. Regulations are not to benefit the consumer, they are for the well being of vested interests.
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Seriously, have you an understanding of the way things work in this country? Have you?

The vast majority of Federal and state regulations are for the direct protection of the individual, are you actually too blind to see this? So long as corporations are "people" and those "people" have the ability to spend billions where the people do not, you will see the sort of results you do - and your sort seem to appreciate, for some odd reason such results. I can't for the life of me figure out why. ARE you so aboslutely blind? Or is it that you lack perspective? LACK of regulations are what those you speak of insist upon, and they employ a vast army of PR personel to get you to believe that regulations = baaad.


Here is a question for you, if you opt to answer, please show me the daylight between what you believe and what big business would have you believe. Please?
 
jahbrudda

jahbrudda

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canndo said:
Seriously, have you an understanding of the way things work in this country? Have you?

The vast majority of Federal and state regulations are for the direct protection of the individual, are you actually too blind to see this? So long as corporations are "people" and those "people" have the ability to spend billions where the people do not, you will see the sort of results you do - and your sort seem to appreciate, for some odd reason such results. I can't for the life of me figure out why. ARE you so aboslutely blind? Or is it that you lack perspective? LACK of regulations are what those you speak of insist upon, and they employ a vast army of PR personel to get you to believe that regulations = baaad.


Here is a question for you, if you opt to answer, please show me the daylight between what you believe and what big business would have you believe. Please?
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I am quite sure I have an understanding of the way things work in this country, it's you I am worried about.
There were three links I supplied in the last post that laid it out a crystal clear, but you didn't even bother to take a look.
I despise big business and crony capitalism, I see it for what it is, you're the only one here being duped into believing government is protecting you.
 
kpmarine

kpmarine

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jahbrudda said:
If you are asking me to cite specific regulations, that is a bit unreasonable, but I have read many articles on the subject that backs up the argument.
In a nutshell, big businesses are able to absorb the extra cost of complying with costly regulations, they have attorneys on payroll just to navigate through the regulations that other attorneys wrote. The mom and pop store down the street cannot afford to comply so they go out of business.

If you don't believe me, here are a few links for you read, decide for yourself.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/al-norman/walmart-lobbyists_b_3632526.html
http://www.adamsmith.org/blog/regulation-industry/of-course-big-business-loves-regulation
http://townhall.com/columnists/johnstossel/2006/09/27/big_business_loves_government/page/full
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You can't really discuss regulations as a whole. It's not a singular entity. Some are good, some are bad. As far as large corporations go, that is not something brought about by our current government. Groups have been pooling their resources for centuries; this is not a new concept. You actually prove my point a bit. Most small businesses don't fail due to regulations putting them out of business. They fail through bad financial planning. Though OSHA regulations may make a business more expensive to open, that is not a bad thing.

Most of the problem comes back to lobbying, not regulation. When you can kill bills that hurt you and promote bills that hurt your competition, then there is a problem. Like I said before, it's their ability to throw money at things that benefit them and hurts others that is a problem.
 
jahbrudda

jahbrudda

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kpmarine said:
You can't really discuss regulations as a whole. It's not a singular entity. Some are good, some are bad. As far as large corporations go, that is not something brought about by our current government. Groups have been pooling their resources for centuries; this is not a new concept. You actually prove my point a bit. Most small businesses don't fail due to regulations putting them out of business. They fail through bad financial planning. Though OSHA regulations may make a business more expensive to open, that is not a bad thing.

Most of the problem comes back to lobbying, not regulation. When you can kill bills that hurt you and promote bills that hurt your competition, then there is a problem. Like I said before, it's their ability to throw money at things that benefit them and hurts others that is a problem.
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All i can say is, you really need to do your own research on regulations and big business, you're missing a big piece of the puzzle.
And let me add this, crony capitalism is not exclusive to one political party.
 
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