CLONE ONLY STRAIN. Please elaborate

[NorthofEngland]

I was reading the thread about KRYPTONITE and read that it's a 'CLONE ONLY STRAIN'.
This was repeated, and discussed a little, but the only way I can imagine a 'clone only strain'
is if a breeder has absolute control over it and will only part with clones.

Is this about the strength of it?

Or is there other ways that a strain can be kept as a 'clone only strain'???

 

[FilthyFletch]

Its pretty self explanitory. This strain is given as clone only ie there are no seeds for it.No one has feminized it or they have no male to pollinate it for reg seeds ie it can be given to people only as a clone cutting

 

[bf80255]

Clone only strains are from people who make hybrids or polyhybrids
And grow out say.. 1000 females the best 1 will be chosen and
Badda bing youve got a clone only elite cut, the plant will be heterozygous
For most traits when bred and thus can only ve continued in clone form.

 

[vostok]

popular with Mj patients in the west USA looking for high CBD strains, always a mistake to grow clones ...many see it as other peoples mistakes ....lol

 

[twostrokenut]

popular with Mj patients in the west USA looking for high CBD strains, always a mistake to grow clones ...many see it as other peoples mistakes ....lol

Are you serious with that nonsense?

Clone only's in "the west" are not only for high CBD's.
Always a mistake to grow clones...care to elaborate? I am assuming you are growing from what, seed banks?

 

[FilthyFletch]

Clones are fine to grow and pretty much accepted way to grow worldwide not sure what Vostok is talking about but its nonsense. All major breeders use clones. A clone can easily be made into fem seeds and back crossed if need just has not been done to that strain yet

 

[vostok]

Life is like a box of Chocolates, you don'r know what you are gonna get until you open the box, ....same with clones, look to the posts here at RIU for guidance

 

[potroastV2]

Actually, clones are an exact duplicate of the Mother plant, that's why they're called clones, a clever name for a copy.

Seeds produced will be variable in their traits, unless stabilized by careful selection over several generations.

 

[bf80255]

Actually, clones are an exact duplicate of the Mother plant, that's why they're called clones, a clever name for a copy.

Seeds produced will be variable in their traits, unless stabilized by careful selection over several generations.

Very true except in the case of a clones genome being acted on by differing
Environmental factors in which case the phenotype could be expressed differebtly
For instance an outdoor strain that produces pink pistils grown indoors will
Most likely not display the desired trait and photogenic response may not be fullt
Responsible as we see in the strain "fucking incredible" which will only displapink pistils
When kept at a pH of 6.8 or so,

 

[twostrokenut]

Life is like a box of Chocolates, you don'r know what you are gonna get until you open the box, ....same with clones, look to the posts here at RIU for guidance

Ok forest but clones are like a box of clones, perfectly uniform.

Lot of good seed growers here but even they will clone that special pheno once found.

 

[GreenSanta]

Actually, clones are an exact duplicate of the Mother plant, that's why they're called clones, a clever name for a copy.

Seeds produced will be variable in their traits, unless stabilized by careful selection over several generations.

exact duplicate of the mother plant is right but will never have the same vigor as the seed did, from my own experiments and I have seen others saying the same thing

 

[twostrokenut]

exact duplicate of the mother plant is right but will never have the same vigor as the seed did, from my own experiments and I have seen others saying the same thing

Link to your experiment please.

Clone is every bit as vigorous as mom. My clones that root in 6 days told me so.

 

[racerboy71]

Link to your experiment please.

Clone is every bit as vigorous as mom. My clones that root in 6 days told me so.

yeah, i didn't really feel like getting into it, but i completely agree..

clone only is simple, it's a female plant that has no male around to make seeds of it.. a lot of times it can simply be an elite pheno of a strain, say a one in a 10000 kind of thing, or it can be the result of a hermie cross, like sour diesel is rumored to be, or it could be the result of a normal cross where the parents are no longer around to make the cross again..
you can clone a clone of a clone of a clone of a clone of a clone, etc, pretty much on and on and on and on, and it will be an identical copy of the parent, like potroast said, hence the term clone.. they do not lose vigor, etc.. you might get different expressions from different environments though..
if clones lost vigor over time, clone only's wouldn't be so sought after..

 

[GreenSanta]

yeah, i didn't really feel like getting into it, but i completely agree..

clone only is simple, it's a female plant that has no male around to make seeds of it.. a lot of times it can simply be an elite pheno of a strain, say a one in a 10000 kind of thing, or it can be the result of a hermie cross, like sour diesel is rumored to be, or it could be the result of a normal cross where the parents are no longer around to make the cross again..
you can clone a clone of a clone of a clone of a clone of a clone, etc, pretty much on and on and on and on, and it will be an identical copy of the parent, like potroast said, hence the term clone.. they do not lose vigor, etc.. you might get different expressions from different environments though..
if clones lost vigor over time, clone only's wouldn't be so sought after..

Cannabis plants grown from seed produce a Tap Root, cloned plants simply cannot-they produce a fibrous root system only. The Tap Root is a survival advantage in nature, as it is in any growing condition. A tap root not only more firmly anchors the plant down for better support, it is capable of driving downward to great depths in search of water and nutrients; an immeasurable advantage when growing outdoor crops in hot and dry conditions.

full article here : http://blog.sfgate.com/smellthetruth/2013/03/27/seeds-vs-clones/

Try flowering a 6 inch clone with a 6 inch plant from seed next to it and you will see it too, I have.

 

[twostrokenut]

Cannabis plants grown from seed produce a Tap Root, cloned plants simply cannot-they produce a fibrous root system only. The Tap Root is a survival advantage in nature, as it is in any growing condition. A tap root not only more firmly anchors the plant down for better support, it is capable of driving downward to great depths in search of water and nutrients; an immeasurable advantage when growing outdoor crops in hot and dry conditions.

full article here : http://blog.sfgate.com/smellthetruth/2013/03/27/seeds-vs-clones/

Try flowering a 6 inch clone with a 6 inch plant from seed next to it and you will see it too, I have.

See here's the thing.

You're actually right about the tap root.

But you're not right in thinking a tap rooted plant can consistently produce elite pheno buds.
Even if they're selfed in collodial silver or whatever they were selfed from a clone of a clone of a clone of a clone.

Even if the selfing produces "exact duplicates" of the mother with a tap root, they still will need extra time to mature.

Am I wrong on this? I would admit it if someone could produce some seedbank OG thats as good as Larry Cut or SFV Cut or the Thin Mint GSC cut or whatever but I have just never been privy to a good seed form to compare, ya know?

 

[twostrokenut]

Double post............

 

[NorthofEngland]

Vigour - CLONE V SEEDLING
I've been reading quite a lot about OUTDOOR growing
and I did read that
"Seedlings are 25% more vigorous than clones...."

Not sure what constitutes 'vigour'
or how the percentage was quantified,
but I defo remember reading that quote.

CLONE ONLY STRAIN...
At some point, in the clones ancestry, the actual strain must have been produced from seed, yes???
So the original breeder/creator DOES have seeds....
but they CHOOSE not to recreate for seed
and will only part with cuttings.

Is that about the strength of it???

Clone only strains severely limit export possibilities.
It's risky enough sending seeds through international postage
but to send a cutting from San Fran to Leeds would pose ALL SORTS OF PROBLEMS.

 

[Ace Yonder]

I could be wrong but I think clone only strains are usually strains that are very unstable/unreliable when bred from seeds. And by unstable I mean they have a plethora of phenotypes that are produced when grown from seed. Stabilizing a strain can take many many generations of breeding, selecting desired phenotypes, re-crossing them over and over until there is a good chance that the seeds will all produce the desired phenotype. Now imagine two strains are crossed for the first time, 100 plants are grown from the seeds, and ONE of those plants is an amazing phenotype that is stronger, bigger, and more potent than the other 99. Now, until someone spends the time to refine the strain, do all the cross breeding, selecting, etc. (A process that can take years, Snerval is a good example of this, a f7 that was crossed and recrossed 7 times, each time selecting only the desired pheno, until stable genetics were possible), until all that is done if you want to grow that specific phenotype of that specific strain, you either need to take a cutting from the plant, or cross the parents again, grow out several dozen plants, and hope you get lucky with the phenotype. Until stable genetics are available, the strain is for all intents and purposes, "Clone Only". By cloning, and then cloning the clones, a single standout phenotype can be spread around without the need for the long process of stabilizing the strain.

 

[GreenSanta]

Vigour - CLONE V SEEDLING
I've been reading quite a lot about OUTDOOR growing
and I did read that
"Seedlings are 25% more vigorous than clones...."

Not sure what constitutes 'vigour'
or how the percentage was quantified,
but I defo remember reading that quote.

CLONE ONLY STRAIN...
At some point, in the clones ancestry, the actual strain must have been produced from seed, yes???
So the original breeder/creator DOES have seeds....
but they CHOOSE not to recreate for seed
and will only part with cuttings.

Is that about the strength of it???

Clone only strains severely limit export possibilities.
It's risky enough sending seeds through international postage
but to send a cutting from San Fran to Leeds would pose ALL SORTS OF PROBLEMS.

I have 2 clone only strains, my SpaceGrin (Spacebomb X Dr.Grinspoon) , my SpaceChemo (spacebomb X chemo), in both case I did not get a lot of seeds and ended up with only a few females of each. They are both revegged plants. I have no more seeds of either crosses so I consider those 2 clones clone only strains, even if no one else than me have grown them out....

 

[Adrosmokin]

I have 2 clone only strains, my SpaceGrin (Spacebomb X Dr.Grinspoon) , my SpaceChemo (spacebomb X chemo), in both case I did not get a lot of seeds and ended up with only a few females of each. They are both revegged plants. I have no more seeds of either crosses so I consider those 2 clones clone only strains, even if no one else than me have grown them out....

IMO I don't think you grew out enough to find a "clone only". If you had made a thousand seeds and popped them all, the phenos you currently have might show up 50 or 100 times each. But a clone only might be that one special girl out of all of them.