Why do dealers use ghetto non-zip sandwich bags?

[joe macclennan]

my whole problem with mmj is a few key points for me.. one of which tip top touched on..
i'd never say cannabis doesn't help the sick as that's simply stupid, and anyone with half a brain can see that is not true.. my problem is how many previous stoners only got "sick" once they found out weed cures what ever ailed them?? i'd say lots and lots.. in california you can have pretty much any other reason to get a card, which is a huge joke.. the public also sees this, non smokers, and they look at mmj as the farce that i see it.. suddenly people who wer stoners last year are now patients and they don't smoke, they medicate, as if they're fooling anyone but themselves with these terms..
secondly, i don't think that mmj is doing any good for full on legalization.. if all they fight for is medical, cannabis might become medicine only, and big pharma will step in with their version of cannabis, like the sativex, and cannabis itself will no longer be considered a medicine, you've got sativex, or you've got nothing..

lastly, i just don't like the attitudes some medical patients seem to have towards the non medical crowd.. they're going to dispensaries, and we have to go to a drug dealer to get the same exact product.. they medicate, i'm a pot head.. they medicate, and i smoke weed.. they can go into a dispensary and buy 40 different grade a strains, hash and cookies,and sure, throw in some clones, and i have to watch over my shoulder as i score a bag on the corner, not really, but you know what i'm saying.. they can some what legally grow so many plants, hold so many oz's at one time, trade hash, bud and clones with friends, err, i mean, patients, silly me, etc, etc etc...
am i jealous of mmj patients and all they have access to?? i don' think so, and even if my state had a mmj program that didn't require one to be on their death beds in order to qualify, i'd like to think that i'd have integrity enough not to suddenly get sick and now need to smoke my medication..

end of rant.. i just don't enjoy the divisiveness that i feel the mmj program brings into the cannabis world as a lot of times it feels like it's us, the stoners, vs them, the patients, who mind you, most of the time, were stoners right up until 1996 or so..
i'll shut up now..

we are in complete agreement here. except about the shutting up part. SPeak your mind brother...we all like you

and yes, sativex is coming, and will sometime replace pot as a medicine. god damn where is annie at right now? SHe knows more than most about how it is being jockeyed into position in the medical field.

 

[tip top toker]

we are in complete agreement here. except about the shutting up part. SPeak your mind brother...we all like you

and yes, sativex is coming, and will sometime replace pot as a medicine. god damn where is annie at right now? SHe knows more than most about how it is being jockeyed into position in the medical field.

It is already the case in the UK. doctors have the right to pescribe sativex to UK patients, at huge cost to the patient, but cannot presribe cannabis as the home office do not recognize cannabis as having any medical properties in it's raw form, but turn it into a patented tincture and presto, medically sound.

 

[racerboy71]

It is already the case in the UK. doctors have the right to pescribe sativex to UK patients, at huge cost to the patient, but cannot presribe cannabis as the home office do not recognize cannabis as having any medical properties in it's raw form, but turn it into a patented tincture and presto, medically sound.

that's the craziest thing ever, ok, cannabis doesn't have any medical properties, yet this product we're now selling and patented, has medical properties, even though our product comes directly from cannabis.. it really is sickening..

 

[joe macclennan]

It is already the case in the UK. doctors have the right to pescribe sativex to UK patients, at huge cost to the patient, but cannot presribe cannabis as the home office do not recognize cannabis as having any medical properties in it's raw form, but turn it into a patented tincture and presto, medically sound.

but somehow it is our fault that our gov't is trying to do the same thing?

your superior attitude reeks on this

 

[Garden Boss]

but somehow it is our fault that our gov't is trying to do the same thing?

your superior attitude reeks on this

***Like***

 

[racerboy71]

one last thing and i'll leave it alone..
with mmj, i personally feel that cannabis has lost it's counter culture vibe and feel to it.. look at high times, high fucking times, high is even right in the name of the magazine, yet, pick up a copy, and all i read about is medical this, patients that, medicine, blah fucking blah.. it's almost as if people are afraid to admit that they smoke weed because they like to get high ffs.. well, not me.. i'm a stoner through and through, i smoke weed because i like to get high, no shame in my game, i like to call a spade and spade and not play all the silly reindeer games.
look back through an old issue of high times, the late 70's or even the early 80's or so, and often times the thcq or w/e that section is named where people write in and tell them what strains are available in their region, and how much it goes for, and they used to also list prices for shit like vials of lsd and shrooms and other drugs, but god forbid they dare mention anything in that magazine that doesn't pertain to medical this or that.. they may as well go ahead and change their name to med times for all intents and purposes imvho..
my $.02

 

[racerboy71]

but somehow it is our fault that our gov't is trying to do the same thing?

your superior attitude reeks on this

damn joe, i didn't get that out of tips post, from what i read it seemed like he was agreeing with our point of medical becoming sativex or w/e product only..

 

[tip top toker]

but somehow it is our fault that our gov't is trying to do the same thing?

your superior attitude reeks on this

How is it the same thing? The UK never got the chance to have a true medical program like yours. Your government gave you that freedom and granted you what you voted for, and after years of taking the piss, people are angered that counties start trying to pass bans on outdoor growing and dispensaries etc? Noone is forcing you to use sativex or nothing else, as they are in the UK. If they do an about turn and re-ban cannabis, you are not all rosey and innocent in that decision.

I'm not sure what superior attitude this is, i'm simply stating that you fuckled the pooch with your attitude to mmj. You went to vote, succeeded, and got given a great thing, that wasn't enough though, and you just decided sod it, we'll just take the piss. It has rather fucked things for the rest of the world who were looking to california etc as the trial. as RB stated, the way mmj in the states has worked, the medical properties of cannabis are pretty much ignored over the argument of what a sham the system is. People could have appreciated why it was being used, instead they're jut anooyed or whatever about how it's being mis-used.

 

[joe macclennan]

one of the reasons I haven't picked up a high times in over 15 years

 

[joe macclennan]

How is it the same thing? The UK never got the chance to have a true medical program like yours. Your government gave you that freedom and granted you what you voted for, and after years of taking the piss, people are angered that counties start trying to pass bans on outdoor growing and dispensaries etc? Noone is forcing you to use sativex or nothing else, as they are in the UK. If they do an about turn and re-ban cannabis, you are not all rosey and innocent in that decision.

I'm not sure what superior attitude this is, i'm simply stating that you fuckled the pooch with your attitude to mmj. You went to vote, succeeded, and got given a great thing, that wasn't enough though, and you just decided sod it, we'll just take the piss. It has rather fucked things for the rest of the world who were looking to california etc as the trial.

jesus! no, our government has never given us this "chance" of which you speak.

in case you didn't know it's still illegal here. this has never changed


edit: and no, I have NEVER been given the chance to vote on this.

it seems to me that you have more problems with your own system...maybe you should be more active in your country on the mmj issue rather than criticizing what has been done in ours.

 

[tip top toker]

jesus! no, our government has never given us this "chance" of which you speak.

in case you didn't know it's still illegal here. this has never changed

I did not at any point specify federal government. you went to vote, and the state government honored the outcome of the vote and granted you a pretty big freedom in allowing mmj to be legal.

 

[theexpress]

one last thing and i'll leave it alone..
with mmj, i personally feel that cannabis has lost it's counter culture vibe and feel to it.. look at high times, high fucking times, high is even right in the name of the magazine, yet, pick up a copy, and all i read about is medical this, patients that, medicine, blah fucking blah.. it's almost as if people are afraid to admit that they smoke weed because they like to get high ffs.. well, not me.. i'm a stoner through and through, i smoke weed because i like to get high, no shame in my game, i like to call a spade and spade and not play all the silly reindeer games.
look back through an old issue of high times, the late 70's or even the early 80's or so, and often times the thcq or w/e that section is named where people write in and tell them what strains are available in their region, and how much it goes for, and they used to also list prices for shit like vials of lsd and shrooms and other drugs, but god forbid they dare mention anything in that magazine that doesn't pertain to medical this or that.. they may as well go ahead and change their name to med times for all intents and purposes imvho..
my $.02

I smoke for both recreational and medicinal purposes... is there anything weed cant do?

 

[joe macclennan]

lol, no my state gave no such freedoms...you know there are 50 states right?

 

[tip top toker]

You know exactly what i mean, you're not that dumb.

 

[joe macclennan]

umm, things that are done at the federal level are all that concern me really. There is no movement towards mmj or even full on legalization where I am at unfortunately.

but I am not bitching about it. Really I believe the entire mmj/legal grower thing to be a farce. Getting growers to place themselves on a list so certain gov't entities can check up on them?....no thanks.

what happens when the entire industry is given to big ag or pharma? You are still on the list...fuck that!

and again, rather than talking down about us stupid yanks, maybe you should focus on your own country's' problem with the drug.

your system is even less perfect than ours by your own admission but WE are the dumb ones? Precisely the uppity attitude of which I spoke.

 

[racerboy71]

umm, things that are done at the federal level are all that concern me really. There is no movement towards mmj or even full on legalization where I am at unfortunately.

but I am not bitching about it. Really I believe the entire mmj/legal grower thing to be a farce. Getting growers to place themselves on a list so certain gov't entities can check up on them?....no thanks.

what happens when the entire industry is given to big ag or pharma? You are still on the list...fuck that!

and again, rather than talking down about us stupid yanks, maybe you should focus on your own country's' problem with the drug.

your system is even less perfect than ours by your own admission but WE are the dumb ones? Precisely the uppity attitude of which I spoke.

i completely agree about sticking my name on god only knows whose list and telling them, yes, i'm growing cannabis, even though it's still illegal on the federal level, and hey, here's my ssn, dob, address, next of kin and emergency contact number in case i'm not at home when you kick my door down..
i know quite a few people on here love to run around and say not one grower has even been busted who was following state laws at the time, but i'm not that naive to buy into that.. something about signing up with the powers that be doesn't sit right w/ me..

 

[tip top toker]

umm, things that are done at the federal level are all that concern me really. There is no movement towards mmj or even full on legalization where I am at unfortunately.

but I am not bitching about it. Really I believe the entire mmj/legal grower thing to be a farce. Getting growers to place themselves on a list so certain gov't entities can check up on them?....no thanks.

what happens when the entire industry is given to big ag or pharma? You are still on the list...fuck that!

and again, rather than talking down about us stupid yanks, maybe you should focus on your own country's' problem with the drug.

your system is even less perfect than ours by your own admission but WE are the dumb ones? Precisely the uppity attitude of which I spoke.

We are discussing American mmj. Just because i have not addressed the UK cannabis situation, does not mean i believe it to be better or worse. As it stands, American states granted an mmj program that could have been a benchmark for other countries to follow and work off

Unfortunately it has not been a credible success and so yes, it annoys me. Where on earth have i said that the UK is better than the US, i am simply stating my dislike for the manner in which mmj has gone in the states.

As you stated, mmj is a step in the door. I'd love for countries just to adopt Amsterdams way of thinking, but as it stands, it does indeed appear that responsible medical use is the first stepping stone into opening people eyes to the truth about cannabis and things can progress from there. I say this from personal experience.

 

[joe macclennan]

i completely agree about sticking my name on god only knows whose list and telling them, yes, i'm growing cannabis, even though it's still illegal on the federal level, and hey, here's my ssn, dob, address, next of kin and emergency contact number in case i'm not at home when you kick my door down..
i know quite a few people on here love to run around and say not one grower has even been busted who was following state laws at the time, but i'm not that naive to buy into that.. something about signing up with the powers that be doesn't sit right w/ me..

yup, I don't think I would ever sign up to be a medi grower.

I will honestly say I would sign up for a mmj card though if it were offered in my state. Only to lessen the chances of getting in trouble while out. Not that I agree with it, but it is what it is. I don't agree with any of our laws concerning prohibition....or having to retain an attorney every time I get in trouble either.

the way I look at a person having an mmj card....it's kinda like a cheap insurance policy. Or almost like a get out of jail free card

I know that's not the best analogy but it made me laugh.

 

[joe macclennan]

We are discussing American mmj. Just because i have not addressed the UK cannabis situation, does not mean i believe it to be better or worse. As it stands, American states granted an mmj program that could have been a benchmark for other countries to follow and work off

Unfortunately it has not been a credible success and so yes, it annoys me. Where on earth have i said that the UK is better than the US, i am simply stating my dislike for the manner in which mmj has gone in the states.

As you stated, mmj is a step in the door. I'd love for countries just to adopt Amsterdams way of thinking, but as it stands, it does indeed appear that responsible medical use is the first stepping stone into opening people eyes to the truth about cannabis and things can progress from there. I say this from personal experience.

well when you put it like that I am in agreement. This is a bit different than the way you first came off though.

There is no question our system is flawed. I would never argue otherwise. I will contend that whenever the amount of revenue we are talking about here is involved things will get off track. I'd say in either country.....This really is my ONLY point. It is ALL about the money man.

nothing else

 

[tip top toker]

well when you put it like that I am in agreement. This is a bit different than the way you first came off though.

There is no question our system is flawed. I would never argue otherwise. I will contend that whenever the amount of revenue we are talking about here is involved things will get off track. I'd say in either country.....This really is my ONLY point. It is ALL about the money man.

nothing else

Written word man, it's often misconstrued.

Part of the issue though is that we make it about the money. If we were not continuing to sell medical cannabis at $3-400 an ounce etc, there wouldn't be much interest in it from a financial viewpoint. I can grow an ounce for about £5, if i sold it for £10, a 100% markup, a good markup in anyones books, given peoples typical usage, there wouldn't be such a hype oer it's potential tax revenue etc. But the moment you start charging $50 an 8th it is suddenly a very attractive market for big industry to try and get in on. I must point out, i am very much an idealist