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NLXSK1

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Affirmative action was codified a long time ago.
And they got it wrong.

Businesses should be able to discriminate, especially now... Any business that did would be stupid however.

I agree with the prohibition of government discrimination obviously.

The question is about more freedom versus less freedom. Business owners should have the freedom to discriminate and their clients should have the freedom to find their goods/services elsewhere. Bigoted businesses would likely go out of business. Unless it is a monopoly it is hard to prove that someone who was refused service is harmed if they can go to another business that provides a similar product or service.
 

UncleBuck

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The question is about more freedom versus less freedom. Business owners should have the freedom to discriminate and their clients should have the freedom to find their goods/services elsewhere.
so you're against civil rights then?

or are you going to be too much of a pussy to even answer that one again?

Bigoted businesses would likely go out of business.
demonstrably false. that is your delusion and your delusion alone.

the cake shop is still taking orders. bigots like you flock to anti-gay places.

 

NLXSK1

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so you're against civil rights then?

or are you going to be too much of a pussy to even answer that one again?



demonstrably false. that is your delusion and your delusion alone.

the cake shop is still taking orders. bigots like you flock to anti-gay places.

I am for civil rights I am against affirmative action... Civil rights are for all people.

When was the last time a gay person was refused service at Chick' Filet?
 

UncleBuck

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Business owners should have the freedom to discriminate and their clients should have the freedom to find their goods/services elsewhere.
I am for civil rights
go ahead and try to reconcile your two statements then, kiddo.


When was the last time a gay person was refused service at Chick' Filet?
just demonstrating how stupid you are when you say that bigoted businesses won't stay in business.
 

NLXSK1

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go ahead and try to reconcile your two statements then, kiddo.




just demonstrating how stupid you are when you say that bigoted businesses won't stay in business.
Chick Filet is not a bigoted business you dumbass... That is what you dont get. The owner of Chick Filet has some personal beliefs that people disagree with. They DO NOT interfere in any way with the way the corporation is run. Yet, people like you and others want to destroy the business because you disagree with the person.

I find your attitudes and tactics far more disgusting and offensive than some individual who dares voice his personal ideas on a matter.
 

Canna Sylvan

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i'm demonstrating that you have no idea what affirmative action is or how it works.

now answer the question, bitter bunny.
Government has no business acting like Jessie Jackson wasting money on studies and harassing people. Diversity doesn't make us great, having the most elite does.
 

UncleBuck

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Chick Filet is not a bigoted business you dumbass...

they donated money to lobby against condemning uganda's "kill the gays" bill.

that's pretty bigoted.

you never reconciled your contradiciting views on civil rights, either.
 

UncleBuck

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Government has no business acting like Jessie Jackson wasting money on studies and harassing people. Diversity doesn't make us great, having the most elite does.
so is that your explanation of how affirmative action works, or did you just need to get that race baiting out of your bitter system?
 

NLXSK1

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they donated money to lobby against condemning uganda's "kill the gays" bill.

that's pretty bigoted.

you never reconciled your contradiciting views on civil rights, either.
My views are not contradictory and not dependent upon your understanding...

Everyone should have the right to provided products and/or services to the people they choose and should be able to deny said services. Pretty simple actually...
 

MuyLocoNC

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If the central argument against the law is that it causes harm similar to the harm caused by businesses refusing service to blacks, hasn't that changed in a fairly dramatic way? Back then, if a black man or woman couldn't eat at the lunch counter or rent a room, there might not be alternative options in the vicinity. I think I even saw UB or someone make the point about driving 50 miles or something to that effect. In modern day America, if Mcdonalds doesn't serve gays, there are 20 other eateries nearby to provide sustenance. If Red Roof Inn takes the same position, there are probably a dozen other motels/hotels that serve everyone. Same thing goes with just about every service, even in smaller cities.

Not taking a position on either side, I'm just interested in the answer. If there are so many alternative businesses that do provide service to homosexuals, how are they actually harmed. Aside from the obvious and justifiable offense they would feel from the refusal of service.
 

UncleBuck

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how are they actually harmed
aside from having a smaller set of goods and service to choose from?

do you like having less options to choose from, or more? if you have to get back in your car and drive somewhere else, does your car run for free for that extra distance?
 

MuyLocoNC

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aside from having a smaller set of goods and service to choose from?

do you like having less options to choose from, or more? if you have to get back in your car and drive somewhere else, does your car run for free for that extra distance?
What I "like" and what actually "harms" me are quite different. I'm about 90% in agreement with you on this one, mainly because of my disgust at the thought someone would actually be such a douche and refuse service based on sexual preference. If I was standing there and it happened, even if it was legal, I wouldn't refrain from motherfuckin' the business owner and leaving for good. However, I'm trying to approach this without feelings. I need a better sense of the actual "harm" caused with the abundance of options in today's marketplace. I don't know if having "less options" rises to the equivalent of what blacks faced before the Civil Rights Act.
 

UncleBuck

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What I "like" and what actually "harms" me are quite different. I'm about 90% in agreement with you on this one, mainly because of my disgust at the thought someone would actually be such a douche and refuse service based on sexual preference. If I was standing there and it happened, even if it was legal, I wouldn't refrain from motherfuckin' the business owner and leaving for good. However, I'm trying to approach this without feelings. I need a better sense of the actual "harm" caused with the abundance of options in today's marketplace. I don't know if having "less options" rises to the equivalent of what blacks faced before the Civil Rights Act.
harm is that which causes loss or pain.

when you lose options, you lose. being relegated to second class citizen status can be defined as nothing but harmful.
 

fr3d12

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If the central argument against the law is that it causes harm similar to the harm caused by businesses refusing service to blacks, hasn't that changed in a fairly dramatic way? Back then, if a black man or woman couldn't eat at the lunch counter or rent a room, there might not be alternative options in the vicinity. I think I even saw UB or someone make the point about driving 50 miles or something to that effect. In modern day America, if Mcdonalds doesn't serve gays, there are 20 other eateries nearby to provide sustenance. If Red Roof Inn takes the same position, there are probably a dozen other motels/hotels that serve everyone. Same thing goes with just about every service, even in smaller cities.

Not taking a position on either side, I'm just interested in the answer. If there are so many alternative businesses that do provide service to homosexuals, how are they actually harmed. Aside from the obvious and justifiable offense they would feel from the refusal of service.
It's homophobic and divisive, it's labelling gays as second class citizens whether that is the intention or not I don't know, it's like saying "you're good enough to come in but you over there are not".
What's next, refusal of service to family members of gay people!
It's homophobia plain and simple and dressing it up as freedom of whatever is BS, obviously the bible thumpers will say it's on religious grounds and believe it but what about the guy who doesn't go to church, he can be a bigot now and claim it's because of his religious beliefs, the only freedom I see here is the freedom to hate.
Gay service men/women and firefighters etc don't just go to work in the morning or fight enemies just for gay people they do it for their city/country and every citizen of every persuasion gay or straight. If they had that attitude it would be called unpatriotic.
You ask about the harm, I say it's harmful when a veteran returns home to AZ after his/her tour of duty and is told you cannot come into my store and buy my goods but it's ok if you die for me.
It's harmful to confused teens and young people who if brave enough to come out and face the already well established prejudices now have to face this crap as well.
It will also affect the livliehoods of suppliers, accountants, lawyers and every other service these businesses deal with if that supplier or accountant etc is gay or arguably rumoured to be gay. Sure people can say they will find other clients etc but it still has the potential to damage people.
I'm not articulate enough to properly express what I'm trying to say but I think it will damage society as a whole.
 
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