How much would you pay?

[rory420420]

I'm not saying that at all what I am saying is that those same genetics properly cared for would blow the old school specimens out of the water..I am also saying that on par,todays methods are vastly superior to those methods..but that is mostly opinion..I have a sneaky suspicion that most people compare oddities like Thai stick to that" good ol bud" they were getting back home in the 70's and 80's..and in comparison the Thai stick would probably blow everything out the water..for someone finally getting a goodbag of herb back then it probably would have been memorable.kinda like your first bag of beasters

 

[Dr.SteveBrule]

Can't compare old school bud to today's. Potency, genetics and advancement in hydroponics and indoor growing. COME ON!!

 

[rory420420]

I'm not really comparing other than the knowledge that it would be better today...I would not really want to buy any Thai stick knowing how many other things I could buy..but then again I don't buy pot either..maybe I'm jaded on the subject ,next..

 

[MrEDuck]

We're on the same page. But there's been folks who've known what they were doing the whole time. Indoor definitely has resulted in improvements in some areas but the sun is pretty hard to beat.

 

[canndo]

i tend to agree with mre, although i haven't had all that many old school genetics.. i think comparing them to today's genetics isn't really comparing apples to apples as back then, most of what made it to the states, was poorly cured, then packaged into god only knows what, smuggled across countless borders, and finally it made it to the smokers hands... lil care was given in the way of handling to say the least..
today, i don't most smokers are, umm, 5 or so people away from the grower, depending on where you live obviously, and more care is given to things like bag appeal, and better drying methods.. i once heard that alcupaco gold got it's gold coloring from being dried out in the mexican sun..we've since learned the light can degrade thc quickly.. can you imagine the post on this site where someone mentions drying and curing their bud out in the sun?? christ..

if you somehow managed to get some thai in thailand, and were compare it to say any modern strain, so long as the drying an curing methods were comparable, i don't think you'd be saying that flavor of the month was better then the thai bud..

Now hang on. Modern buds are NOT cured, they are smply dried. Dried slowly perhaps but not really "cured". I have been a tobacco afficionado for many years. There are many similarities between the curing of one sort of organic "leaf" and another, curing is what turns simple organic material into something transcendent and I fear that most of those who deal with their buds do not really know what is going on in turning what is ordinarily green into something artisitic.

The end result is that if your bud is green, it was not cured, only dried. The smoke you get from it may be filled with aromatics that overwhelm the base material but the truth is that you are still smoking something akin to new mowed grass. If cigars were made in the same way bud is dried we would never have the sorts of flavors and smoothness in pot. I suspect as well that one can alter the chemical makeup of pot if it is cured correctly.

Good tobacco is fermented, heat cured, rotated, soaked and then cured yet again in order to turn a green leaf into something that offers a rich smoking experience. I have found in some of my experiments that pot can indeed be cured in order to yield a superior smoking experience - the majority of my special pot is not in the least bit green, some of it has been cured for over two years. Do we really enjoy smoking chlorophil? Do we? or is the point simply unadulterated THC and associated chemicals? If that is the case, then cigars should be only about the nicotine - and that isn't the point.

 

[canndo]

Can't compare old school bud to today's. Potency, genetics and advancement in hydroponics and indoor growing. COME ON!!

You may have to leave the genetics out of the argument. Todays "genetics" are simply inbred, crossbred and repeated expressions of a very few captured land races. Imagine your going to a grocery store in the U.S., you can get a handful of different tomatoes, all bred for certain purposes and all tasting about the same. Now look at the diversity of herloom tomatoes which range, rather naturaly from white to black, tastes are all very different and they originated from hundreds or thousands of different genetic parents. This is not the case with pot. It is entirely possible that a pure land race haphazardly grown in various native environments could be far superior to the tinkered with interbreeding of a couple of dozen different sources.

 

[racerboy71]

Now hang on. Modern buds are NOT cured, they are smply dried. Dried slowly perhaps but not really "cured". I have been a tobacco afficionado for many years. There are many similarities between the curing of one sort of organic "leaf" and another, curing is what turns simple organic material into something transcendent and I fear that most of those who deal with their buds do not really know what is going on in turning what is ordinarily green into something artisitic.

The end result is that if your bud is green, it was not cured, only dried. The smoke you get from it may be filled with aromatics that overwhelm the base material but the truth is that you are still smoking something akin to new mowed grass. If cigars were made in the same way bud is dried we would never have the sorts of flavors and smoothness in pot. I suspect as well that one can alter the chemical makeup of pot if it is cured correctly.

Good tobacco is fermented, heat cured, rotated, soaked and then cured yet again in order to turn a green leaf into something that offers a rich smoking experience. I have found in some of my experiments that pot can indeed be cured in order to yield a superior smoking experience - the majority of my special pot is not in the least bit green, some of it has been cured for over two years. Do we really enjoy smoking chlorophil? Do we? or is the point simply unadulterated THC and associated chemicals? If that is the case, then cigars should be only about the nicotine - and that isn't the point.

don't mean to derail your thread caando, but would you mind a quick description of curing in your terms please and thank you..

 

[yidarmy]

stupid pointless thread??? and pink coke??? ok then.....

shouldnt this be in the if you dont have anything useful to say thread???

ok how much would you pay but im not selling it for a thai virgin hoooker whos a virgin lmao but has a free limitless supply of high grade coke to sniff of her tits n md to lick of her vag!?!?!?

 

[canndo]

stupid pointless thread??? and pink coke??? ok then.....

shouldnt this be in the if you dont have anything useful to say thread???

ok how much would you pay but im not selling it for a thai virgin hoooker whos a virgin lmao but has a free limitless supply of high grade coke to sniff of her tits n md to lick of her vag!?!?!?

The post was intended to bring back some of the experiences of the older members of this site, and to interest some of the younger in the experiences and "heyday" of the 70's and 80's. I am certain that some of the younger members will some day wax nostalgic about some of the better strains of pot, the wonders of some of the better RCs and lament over their ultimate loss.

Yes, pink coke, and on occasion blue as well. I was curious about what someone would pay for either the mythical (for the younger folks) or the recollections (for the older).

You seem to be drawn to neither attraction.

 

[rory420420]

evidently you've never had good cocaine..

 

[rory420420]

that pink and yellow shale...mmm.and..I don't even like the stuff

 

[BarnBuster]

stop.. stop.. stop... the back of my throat is getting all drainy and stuff

 

[Skuxx]

I've never seen blue coke. But I have had pink and yellow. My car broke down in front of a military base, while I had an 8th of peruvian pink coke in my pocket, and I had to deal with the police there after just doing the first couple lines of it. There's no way for me to know if it was really "peruvian pink", but it was really good... and pink!

 

[canndo]

don't mean to derail your thread caando, but would you mind a quick description of curing in your terms please and thank you..

Very slow drop in humidity, over several months, occasional fresh air but packed rather securely. Then, when it is dry (ambient rh), it is brought back to a high rh again and the process is repeated. This could be done more than twice actually. Each time one risks mold but so does any curing method. I have heat cured, or sweated pot on occasion and this tends to bring out the inherent underlying colors of the bud but have never gotten the gold color of the columbian method. The point is to alter the material eithe bringing out the sugars or at the very least getting rid of the green. I have never done a long term fermentation but suspect it would be best. Finally when it is dry again, it is sealed to age for 6 months or more in a jar. I would prefer oak barrels but they are being used for my vinegar and i don't suppose would impart anything beneficial after that is complete.

 

[racerboy71]

Very slow drop in humidity, over several months, occasional fresh air but packed rather securely. Then, when it is dry (ambient rh), it is brought back to a high rh again and the process is repeated. This could be done more than twice actually. Each time one risks mold but so does any curing method. I have heat cured, or sweated pot on occasion and this tends to bring out the inherent underlying colors of the bud but have never gotten the gold color of the columbian method. The point is to alter the material eithe bringing out the sugars or at the very least getting rid of the green. I have never done a long term fermentation but suspect it would be best. Finally when it is dry again, it is sealed to age for 6 months or more in a jar. I would prefer oak barrels but they are being used for my vinegar and i don't suppose would impart anything beneficial after that is complete.



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awesome info caando, appreciate the post..

i once read an article in one magazine or another about some african country, i forget which atm.. anyhoo's, they fermented bud in the ground, wrapped in i believe it as corn husks, and left in the ground for several months.. said it was some amazing cannabis, i just never realized the benefits before your post and info.. thanks again.

 

[racerboy71]

that pink and yellow shale...mmm.and..I don't even like the stuff

budder...

 

[BWG707]

We used to call the pink Coke, Rose coke. It always seemed to be higher percent than most, a friend who worked at UC Berkely Lab used to melt point test our coke. Some of the best was testing at 88%. Most street coke in my area was about 50% or less. We also used to run across Nepalese fingers or balls once in a while and it was always a special treat. Most Nepalese we saw was pretty stale/moldy. About the best hash I ever smoked was from Turkey brought into the states by Navy friends coming home from tour. I believed they called it Choka Red. One benefit from growing up as a military brat was knowing young people who traveled the world.

 

[rory420420]

awesome info caando, appreciate the post..

i once read an article in one magazine or another about some african country, i forget which atm.. anyhoo's, they fermented bud in the ground, wrapped in i believe it as corn husks, and left in the ground for several months.. said it was some amazing cannabis, i just never realized the benefits before your post and info.. thanks again.

malawi cobs

 

[canndo]

awesome info caando, appreciate the post..

i once read an article in one magazine or another about some african country, i forget which atm.. anyhoo's, they fermented bud in the ground, wrapped in i believe it as corn husks, and left in the ground for several months.. said it was some amazing cannabis, i just never realized the benefits before your post and info.. thanks again.

it was called chamba, wrapped in what looked like a bananna leaf but more spongey. It was almost black, a bit stringy and it was the most powerful stuff I ever smoked. I got hold of a bundle of it and sold most of it off. I do not remember the taste but to this day I recall the disorienting quality.

 

[rory420420]

I thought the cobs were the ones wrapped in corn husk...pretty sure thats right..haven't heard of banana leaves but I'm sure it's been done..