LSA vs LSD-25

[indicat33]

Hey all,
Here's a summary of my experiences with "acid" I have gotten over the years.
About 50% of it was total shit, and we wanted our $$ back. Another 30% was
decent but at least is some cases, likely LSA (unconverted into LSD-25). We got
some blotter once that looked like it had a tan colored "film" on the underside, looking
like typical envelope glue. 1.5 hits of this each an we had a full-blown,12 hr. psychedelic
trip, complete with wild visuals etc. The remaining 20% was good, clean LSD-25 made
by someone who knew what they were doing. My favorite were the Yellow /Black peace signs
(blotter) we used to score for $5 / hit in he 1980's. Ahhh... a blast from the past. I never hear of
anyone having acid these days. Too bad synthesis is costly and complicated, requiring expensive equipment
and a working knowledge of organic chem. Those were the good ol' days ... _~

 

[ilyaas123]

Hey all,
Here's a summary of my experiences with "acid" I have gotten over the years.
About 50% of it was total shit, and we wanted our $$ back. Another 30% was
decent but at least is some cases, likely LSA (unconverted into LSD-25). We got
some blotter once that looked like it had a tan colored "film" on the underside, looking
like typical envelope glue. 1.5 hits of this each an we had a full-blown,12 hr. psychedelic
trip, complete with wild visuals etc. The remaining 20% was good, clean LSD-25 made
by someone who knew what they were doing. My favorite were the Yellow /Black peace signs
(blotter) we used to score for $5 / hit in he 1980's. Ahhh... a blast from the past. I never hear of
anyone having acid these days. Too bad synthesis is costly and complicated, requiring expensive equipment
and a working knowledge of organic chem. Those were the good ol' days ... _~

I haven't had LSD but I have had LSA from 80 morning glory seeds and I felt the most calmest and relaxed I have ever felt, a couple of times throughout the roughly 12 hour trip I did hallucinate and shit myself over something I had terribly done wrong (I don't want to say it and no it was not killing someone or something that I could get jailed for); I should have taken about 40 more seeds to be hallucinating on a higher scale and I hope to have another grow once my local store is back in stock with seeds as I cannot trust online vendors; well I can but I can't be asked.

I hope to try some LSD in the future but for now I'm sticking with LSA as a substitute.

 

[rory420420]

i got 3 different types in my stash.."dont tell me this town aint got no heart,ya just gotta poke around.."

 

[high|hgih]

For me LSD comes and goes. Last time I saw it was October. It was my birthday, and me and a few friends bought a vile(which was gone that day, I ate ~35 hits that day, the most at one time being 24, that an amazing experience. If I get LSD it's always gonna be from that guy, he was sitting on 7 of em. He was scared to touch it though because apparently he accidentally spilled wayy too many hits on himself the day before and could still hardly see. He gave it to us holding it with foil on his hands like 'just take it, I don't even want it' of course we paid for it..
Never see blotter anymore. The last time I did was about 3 years ago.. I wonder what happened to that girl.. Hmm. Her stuff was weird, it came in little 30 hit strips WOW, and I had to cut it with scissors where it was marked. Very nice, clean stuff though.

LSD in comparison to LSA? LSD>LSA by far. Less of a process, no upset tummy. The tradition of making LSA tea is nice though I have to say. Thing is, if I make it to where I don't eat the seeds that broke out of the tea bag, I have to use 4000 seeds easy to get the experience that I wants. However, if I tear apart the tea bag and eat some of the plant matter like an animal, the trip is literally increased 10 fold. But with the stomach.. I have to have eaten, and my bong must be attached to my lips for awhile. LSA is enjoyable though, I did a lot of it a month or two ago.
I want to start learning about LSH/LSZ
I heard one was made using LSA and peppermint oil and it was a lot more potent. Gonna have to try that out.

Also I bet if I did a resin extract, it'd be a lot less of a task to consume at least.

But. Good LSD over LSA an day in my opinion.

 

[qwizoking]

Lsa is great if extracted properly..you can also try converting it to cdlsa which I prefer
Lsh is destroyed pretty much immediately and a waste..

 

[high|hgih]

Gonna have to look into cdlsa.
What's the process that you use to do it properly? A polar extraction is always pretty simple. I haven't come across one that's very difficult.

I don't see what's wrong with my method, I just coffee grind it on course, most of it turns to powder. But seeing that brown stream out of the tea bag into distilled water when it's ground fine, I'd think that it'd be better in powder. But I've heard to keep it on course. Problem is with my grinder some of it is always powdered even on course setting.

Is LSH the one that uses peppermint oil?

 

[qwizoking]

After defatting the seeds I soak in isopropanol. the "pure" lsa is hydrolized with the cinnamaldehyde mixed with lecithen...this gets rid of nausea and some of the ugly side effects (almost like winterizing your hash)
Yea peppermint is the lsh
I took a quote from a different conversation but it applies

ok so i believe cdlsa was synthesized in this procedure, effects are immediate and roughly 50percent stronger, so its a bit more potent and the side effects were greatly reduced, the vasoconstriction properties have been eliminated and you feel a nice warming sensation,its no longer tiring but not stimulative. the effects themselves are far different than the lsa it came from, more dreamlike hard to describe.if that can be said about the cdlsa, lsh would seem to be perfectly opposite. also more potent than the lsa but intensely more visual,crisp clear high that is more spiritual. the side effects are similar to lsa,maybe a bit stronger...while attempting to make lsh i made 2 batches the one was used with frozenmaterials, solvent,containers you get the idea.. frozen meaning under 30degrees but as close to 0 as possible,obviously nothing is actually frozen... anyway the other was made the same but refrigerated vs frozen, there was no discernable difference between the second batch and lsa... in my conclusion both are easy enough for a home chemist or even regular guy but lsh isnt worth it, degrades back in under 10 min over 30degrees.. cdlsa is more stabile possibly a few months with no fish eye vasoconstrictin nausea or anything else really...homemade acid anyone?

it has an XlogP of 4.32.... In practice optimum colonic is 1.32, intestinal is 1.35, oral 1.8, Cns 2, percutaneous at 2.6 and sublingual 5.5.... Therefore you have succeeded in making cdlsa if instead of effects taking an hour its 5-20min..in contrast lsh takes slightly longer than lsa at roughly an hour and a half

 

[Thundercat]

I'm gonna have to look into this. I've had several packs of morning glory seeds stuck away for a few years. I was gonna make some tea at one point, then wimped out cus I don't like nausea at all. I've only had 2 different batchs of acid. I was told one batch was tested at 100mic as real acid so I guess I figured they both were, I know it was several nights of fun both times.

 

[qwizoking]

One of my most memorable experiences was a high dose of dxm (you know taken bout 45min before so they hit together with cdlsa) then as the dxm took hold I would attempt to take a few dabs..
Yup... before I even inhaled I was tripping balls..instantly submersed into a comic strip . Choppy vision was compounded and all I saw were clips.. no movement everything frozen..i see the lighters flame.. then me not here..I love dxm but haven't had any in about a year.. I'm trying to lower my tolerance and get the magic back..one of my favorite drugs of all time

Anyway them seeds have probly lost most of the goodness. Lsa degrades really easily, cdlsa is actually quite a bit more stable but while making it keep it out of light and use ro water etc, chlorine will destroy it all...it can be tricky to have an efficient extraction but really good practice for preserving thc in hash

 

[indicat33]

so the "tan colored substance" that looks like envelope glue was most likely an LSA impurity? The trip was quite potent on 1.5 hits rivaling the "clean" acid we got at the time. I was thinking there could be an LSA "concentrated glue" that could be extracted and blotted onto paper. Is this feasible? I don't wanna risk the crazy ass intestinal upsets cause by eating baby woodrose/ morning glory seeds.

 

[qwizoking]

"I was thinking there could be an LSA "concentrated glue" that could be extracted and blotted onto paper. Is this feasible? I don't wanna risk the crazy ass intestinal upsets cause by eating baby woodrose/ morning glory seeds."

If you do a proper extraction..meaning removing the nasties first, most of the negative side effects are removed also..
Could it be put on a blotter paper..well not really for various reasons, its log p is about 1.6 vs LSD at about 3..remember how I said this effects absorption..also lsa is many times less potent so a higher dose is required

 

[indicat33]

"I was thinking there could be an LSA "concentrated glue" that could be extracted and blotted onto paper. Is this feasible? I don't wanna risk the crazy ass intestinal upsets cause by eating baby woodrose/ morning glory seeds."

If you do a proper extraction..meaning removing the nasties first, most of the negative side effects are removed also..
Could it be put on a blotter paper..well not really for various reasons, its log p is about 1.6 vs LSD at about 3..remember how I said this effects absorption..also lsa is many times less potent so a higher dose is required

Thanks qw, I may just give Pan Cyans a home-cultivation attempt / Miss my little boomers, but P.Cybensis are too weak, ime /

 

[Thundercat]

Lol to weak. You obviously havn't had the right strains or eaten enough of them. I've had weak cubensis, but they aren't all weak and will prove it if given a chance.

 

[indicat33]

Lol to weak. You obviously havn't had the right strains or eaten enough of them. I've had weak cubensis, but they aren't all weak and will prove it if given a chance.

Dude, I have grown and eaten P.Cubensis for about 15 years so I have some idea of what I'm saying. Only 1-2 times, did the potency surprise me. Wherever they originate, (Thailand, Amazon, etc) it is STILL a CUBENSIS, and ultimately on the Psilocybe scale, they are the weakest 'shroom indeed. I've dosed 10 grams DRY of properly grown/dried Amazonian Cubies and did not have a major psychedelic experience, while most noobs tripped balls on 5g of my product. Been there, done that, now I'm looking for POTENT shrooms, such as P.Azurescens or Panaeolus Cyanescens. You obviously haven't done the proper "research" because if you read even a complementary pamphlet on Psilocybin, you would know they are the weakest mushroom. I added 15+ years of personal experience, dosing Mad-Cap amounts of (heatlessly dessicated) P.Cubensis. I've tried no Less than 20 different "strains" from various vendors with the same, weak ass results. Maybe to you, they are not weak, but for a seasoned Psychonautic Voyager like myself, they are fucking WEAK-

 

[Thundercat]

Well no offense was intended. I only consider myself moderately experianced over the last 10 years that I've enjoyed mushrooms. I've ate 1/4s a few times, and the mushrooms I ate were definitely strong enough for me yes. I've had others that I hardly felt an 1/8 and so I'm sure 1/4 would have been a normalish dose. Anyway its not a compatition and I wasn't trying to be rude to you. I havn't met very many people or talked to many that would flat out call cubes to weak. I would love to try some Azures, and Pan Cyans, but I'll be the first to tell you I will treat them with respect. I am beyond my pushing the limits stage in my life. I still greatly enjoy a nice strong trip but feel like I've learned enough about myself that I don't feel I need to push the envelope to continue to learn.

Now I'm admittedly an Acid novice, but look forward to continueing my exploration as the travel down this road called life.

 

[indicat33]

Well no offense was intended. I only consider myself moderately experianced over the last 10 years that I've enjoyed mushrooms. I've ate 1/4s a few times, and the mushrooms I ate were definitely strong enough for me yes. I've had others that I hardly felt an 1/8 and so I'm sure 1/4 would have been a normalish dose. Anyway its not a compatition and I wasn't trying to be rude to you. I havn't met very many people or talked to many that would flat out call cubes to weak. I would love to try some Azures, and Pan Cyans, but I'll be the first to tell you I will treat them with respect. I am beyond my pushing the limits stage in my life. I still greatly enjoy a nice strong trip but feel like I've learned enough about myself that I don't feel I need to push the envelope to continue to learn.

Now I'm admittedly an Acid novice, but look forward to continueing my exploration as the travel down this road called life.

Okay Thundercat, I apologize for getting crabby also. Have fun with whatever you do bro Peace-

 

[canndo]

Okay Thundercat, I apologize for getting crabby also. Have fun with whatever you do bro Peace-

there have been occasions when I encountered people who hat high thresholds. You can go through the trouble of growing small amounts of stronger strains, or you can grow lots of cubes and do extractions far more efficient actually.

my people never complained about 50 mg caps.

 

[Thundercat]

Canndo, do the extractions provide any other benefits aside from being able to dose differently?

 

[canndo]

By the way, cubensis are not the weakest, there are a number of mushrooms that have only trace amounts. You might look into cacus as well, while they are exeedingly weak, the compound they produce has very stron effects.

 

[canndo]

Canndo, do the extractions provide any other benefits aside from being able to dose differently?

few stomach problems and a far more profound come on...FAR stronger in the larger dose range. I always found them to be more colorful as well.