Other Side of the Fence...Where the Grass is Always Greener

[jartlow]

Stop watering them. Let them dry out a bit... you could save them... the soil should be almost dry when you water them. My sprouts are over 2 weeks old and only got watered the day I planted my seeds....

Thank you. This pic was taken after the watering. The soil was bone dry and I only mist with a spray bottle so I thought I under watered them. I really really appreciate it

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[B166ER420]

..2-02
..today,4 weeks in,mexi-brick


Keep 'm Greenpeace

 

[Slipon]

End of week 3

 

[jondamon]

Completely off the topic of MJ.

But I have some POD entries. Lol.

Check this shit out.








Can I get a "One Hundred and Eighty" lol.




J

 

[prosperian]

Been busy the last week or so, making plans to take the fam on a cruise to the Caribbean islands. Kids have been on one to Alaska, but they were babies. Now at 8 and 10 they can remember the trip and make it a real adventure. I'm looking forward to the r & r and change of scenery. Even upgraded the cabin to concierge with private balcony, so I can be spoiled like a mofo and dump them over the rail if they become little shits on the trip.

Guess it's a good thing I'm not growing right now, no plants to worry about while i'm out of country. Hope everyone is doing well and smoking what they grow. Isn't it cool to look at your smoke and say, "damn, I grew that, and it's pretty good shit, cough cough!" amazing things that we can do with a little light, water, and soil.

sexy plant b166er.

End of week 3

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Flat canopy bro, maximizes that space like a real pro

Check this shit out.

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Damn jon, womp rats beware.

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Possible dead sprouts? Too much light or water? Sorry first grow and I'm not sure what went wrong.

Sorry dude, got your pm this morning. Write down what you did on this grow, so you can reference it on the next and before you forget! ... everything, temps, lighting and distance, how much you watered. On your next run make small adjustments and record them as well. most these guys on riu wing it and get lucky. the pros follow a recipe and check list.

I've been gardening for decades and there is nothing easy about this, so don't beat yourself up over a couple dead sprouts. I've killed my fare share. Just try again and learn from your mistakes.

I drowned my first seeds in jiffy pots by over watering, never made it above the surface. I almost killed my one week seedlings my last grow because my solo cups were not draining.

Sometimes you catch the mistakes and recover, sometimes you don't and have to start over.

Don't be discouraged, give it another try.
Think of that dank smoke you will have one day when your harvest comes in, never buy again.

 

[jartlow]

I appreciate the response. I hope your cruise goes good my friend! I was pretty meticulous on notes. This go around will be a lot less water and some new soil. I decided to finally make the 2 hour drive to a hydro shop to pick up ffof. When I got there the dude recommended b&g over ffof so I'm definitely interested in results.

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[B166ER420]

Thanks Prosperian!
I second brother jartlow's well wishes on your cruise,sounds like good times to be had!Have fun,be safe,look out for pirates






Damn,gotta spread the rep!!!L8R

 

[~Dankster~420]

Hey guys! How is everyone doing ?: Here's a few update pictures 4 everyone.. :O) take care guys, Dank. Green Crack -> F1 GBP -> F1 GBP -> Starbud Sister --> F1 K.A.S.I. -> Power Pie that hermed on me but I kept flowering instead of jerking it out. Glad I kept it -->

 

[Gs3000]

Picture update of my Sour Bubble/Chernobyl hybrid and Orig Chernobyl. They're are so frosty! These lady are Grrrrreat!!!

 

[prosperian]

Making a tincture. Did a lot of research, ton of bad information on the web.

Almost as bad as growing myths, haha!

My ratio for this tincture is 7 grams bud:2 oz. Bacardi 151 after decarboxylation and water bath evaporation of 1/2 the alcohol.







Nice PODs guys, some fine looking bud out there! Keep them coming.

Here's a one year harvested pineapple express, I pulled from storage the other day...

 

[Gs3000]

Hey Prosp!

That looks great. Let know how your tincture turns out. I would like to try and make some. Can you share the process or where you found it.

Thanks!

 

[Gs3000]

Every now and then I see one of these pop up. Comments and diagnoses are welcome. The plant is Atomic Shiva. Using Advanced Nutrients. Lighting 3 HPS 600s. Soil medium.



Thanks!

 

[SxIstew]

Theres a good article on this site... i used it to make some with great reaults.
http://www.theweedblog.com/the-most-underrated-of-all-marijuana-products-weed-tinctures/

 

[~Dankster~420]

That's a rare but totally harmless (and some would say desirable) mutation.

Every now and then I see one of these pop up. Comments and diagnoses are welcome. The plant is Atomic Shiva. Using Advanced Nutrients. Lighting 3 HPS 600s. Soil medium.

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Thanks!

 

[prosperian]

Here is the recipe I'm using. I will update and let you know how it turns out.

This is a simple and efficient 4 Step process.

Ingredients:
1/8 oz high quality cannabis 2 oz Bacardi Rum – 151 proof


or


1/4oz (7g) to 4 oz Bacardi 151


Process Summary:

1. Chop cannabis very fine (coffee grinder works great)

2. Place in a shallow pan (pie pan with aluminum foil works great) and bake at 220°F for 30 minutes.

3. Remove from oven and place cannabis and place in 2 oz of rum (use a small wide mouth mason jar)

4. Simmer in a water bath for 20 minutes. Maintain temperature of the rum/cannabis mixture between 170°F.

5. Strain the mixture and store.


Dosage:
One eyedropper is very nice. Two puts you in space. But you should self-titrate. Effects take about 1.5 hours to begin (at least in myself) and lasted for 5 hours (1 dropper) to 7-8 hours (2 droppers).


Process details—references and rationalizations:

1. Chop the cannabis—more surface area gives means a faster and more efficient extraction.

2. Bake the cannabis.

In whole-plant cannabis, THC content is expressed as THCA (tetrahydrocannabolic acid) prior to decarboxylation into THC, which takes place when cannabis is heated during cooking, and smoked or vaporized ingestion. THCA is a mild analgesic and anti-inflammatory but does not have good affinity with our CB1 receptors, so in order to make a THC-rich tincture that has many of the same therapeutic effects as smoked ingestion (including rapid absorption, quick relief and ease of self-titration), we must convert the THCA in the plant matter into THC prior to extracting it through an alcohol soak. (from Vancouver Island Compassion Society http://thevics.com/cannamist.htm)

THC vaporizes at about 380°F. We want to heat the cannabis to convert THCA to THC, but keep the temperature under 380°F.

Notice also that there is considerable misinformation regarding heating the cannabis. It is true that you don't have to heat it to extract both THC and THCA, but the amount of THC in whole plant preparations is relatively small compared to after decarboxylation of the THCA. So if you want to maximize the strength of your tincture you must heat the cannabis prior to extraction.

3. Use the highest proof alcohol available. In my area this was Bacardi 151. The more alcohol the more efficient the extraction will be.

4. Simmer the mixture.
This is one of the areas that seems to be most debated. Many recipes call for placing the cannabis (unbaked of course) into the alcohol and waiting 2 – 6 weeks. The main concern with heating the alcohol is that it is “explosive” (not exactly true...it is however flammable).

The purpose of the simmering is to heat the alcohol mixture to improve extraction rates and efficiencies. Heating during extraction increases the motion of the molecules (basic physics/chemistry) and drastically decreases extraction times. The boiling point of pure ethanol is 173°F (78°C). We will use the water bath to heat the rum/cannabis mixture to just below the boiling point of ethanol.

Heating the alcohol mixture can be done very safely using a hot water bath. You will need an accurate candy or quick read thermometer. Place about 1 inch of water in a wide, vertical-edged pan (9” wide x 3” high). Bring the water to a low simmer. The rum/cannabis mixture should be in a small (1 pint) mason jar. Do NOT cover the jar.

Put the thermometer into the mason jar and place into the simmering water bath. Bring the temperature of the rum/cannabis mixture to about 170°F (I maintain it between 150°F and 170°F). You want the alcohol mixture to be just barely moving (not boiling, but showing active convection within the mixture). If the mixture starts to bubble too much, just turn down the water bath.

You should have the oven fan on high. You will notice that any alcohol fumes are mixed with water vapor from the water bath and vented out the fan. This combined with the fact that you are trying not to boil the ethanol makes the process quite safe.

5. Strain, titrate, and store.
When you are finished with the extraction you will be left with about 1oz of green dragon tincture. Note that one ounce of the alcohol has evaporated.

Now you should test your eyedropper. In my test 34 full droppers equaled one ounce of liquid (this is a little less than one gram of liquid per dropperful as 29g equals 1ounce).

The liquid should be dark green and smell like cannabis.

6. Dosage.
Everybody is probably different. It takes me 1.5 hours to feel the effects of eating cannabis. Similarly this tincture also takes 1.5 hours to take effect.

I had tried a tincture someone had made using the cold extraction method with the same amount of cannabis and found that 5 droppers did pretty much nothing.

Using my Green Dragon technique I find that one dropper will bring effects on in 1.5 hours and last 5 hours with 1.5 hours of lingering aftereffects.

Two droppers gave me a "spiritual dose" (as strong as any brownie I ever had). Effects lasted 7-8 hours with lingering effects for 2 more hours.

This means that 1/8oz of good cannabis yields about 30-34 doses of tincture (1 dropperful is really all I need). And is much more pleasant than smoking (which really is bad for you and your lungs and the reason I've stopped smoking entirely).


Master Wu

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Other tips and tricks:

1. Baking Temperature/Time.

I use 325 Farenheit for 5 minutes. Although this will change depending on the type of pan you use. With a gas oven and aluminum foil (no pan cookie sheet) 5 minutes was fine. However with an electric oven, a cookie sheet, and baking parchment, I needed a few more minutes. Keep a close eye on it.


Note that OKSmokey uses 20 minutes at 200°F. I haven't tried this but he has had good success with this temperature.


2. Double the Recipe?

Sure, why not. It should be fine. But I prefer to err on the side of caution and would probably do the extraction twice with a self-titration in between runs.


3. Dosage

You will have to figure dosage with each batch. And you must test it on yourself. The way to do this is through titration (a fancy chemical term that means to determine the concentration of a solution). The concentration of GD will change based on the strength of the starting material, the amount of alcohol you boil off during the extraction, the efficiency of your pre-bake, etc.


Start with one or two full dropperfuls (not drops!) and swallow them down. Check the time and note when you first feel effects, when you peak, the intensity of the peak, and how long it lasts. Make sure you can reproduce your titration (empty stomach, time of day, diluted in water?, etc). If you like what you feel, great. If too much or not good enough try again tomorrow with a different amount. With two points (high and low) you should have a pretty good idea of how it works on your body. Of course it might be different on someone considerably bigger or smaller.


For instance one batch I made was unbelievably strong--1 dropperful and I was flying. The next one took 3 dropperfuls for same effect (but the solution was more dilute as I ended up with 1.75oz instead of 1oz of final GD, the pot wasn't as good, and my pre-bake was a bit too short since I was using an unfamiliar oven and a baking pan instead of just aluminum foil).


4. And as always--don't put the stuff in your eye Wink. And don't put it under your tongue because it burns. I now place the GD in a tablespoon (or so) of water--yum. I actually like the flavor as it is sort of floral. I also store mine in the fridge, but don't really know if this matters.


5. How much is in an Eyedropper

An eyedropper holds about one milliliter of liquid, depending on how hard you squeeze the little bulb. For water based solutions one milliliter weighs about one gram. Thus each full eyedropper contains about one gram of liquid. Since there are about 29 grams in one ounce, you get about 29 full eyedroppers in every ounce. The eyedropper I initially used measured 34 full droppers in an ounce.


Also I use the nice blue two-ounce dropper bottles from the health food store that are used for essential oils, tinctures, and/or other extracts.


6. Leaf vs. Bud

I have not tried the extraction with leaf. But you would obviously need loads more. The problem is you will also need much more alcohol. My guess is you should use somewhere on the order of 10 parts alcohol to 1 part leaf. Then once you are finished you will want to remove the spent leaf, and then concentrate the alcohol by boiling off most of it (using the water bath of course) until you have one ounce of GD remaining.


7. When is it Ready

Right away. That is one of the nice things about this extraction process.


8. Taste

I find that after a week in the fridge (that's where I store mine) the flavor seems to mature into a heady, slightly floral elixer with bud overtones. I find it rather pleasant.


9. Isopropyl Alcohol

DON'T USE IT!


10. Using an Ounce

The recipe should scale nicely from 1/8 to whole ounce. But, unless you have experience with smaller batches I'd recommend sticking with the recipe as written. It would be a shame to have something go wrong with a large batch. I strongly recommend making the GD a couple of times before trying to scale up.


11. Pre-Baking the Pot - Color Changes and Vapors

Bake the pot at 325 degrees Fahrenheit for 5 minutes. I chop mine in a mini-prep (or chop by hand) until it is quite fine. Then I spread it out on a piece of aluminum foil which is placed directly on the oven rack. If you place the foil on a baking pan you will need to account for the additional mass of the pan which will increase your baking time. Pre-baking should stink up the house. I turn on the stove vent fan. I also do all my cooking at night after neighbors are in bed.


I look for two indicators that the pot is properly pre-baked. First, I look for the pot to change color from it's initial shade of green to a much darker greenish-brown (or brownish-green). I assume this represents not browning (burning) of the leaf but rather the denaturation of the chlorophyll in the leaves.


Second, I look for a slight amount of vapors to rise off the pot. Since the temperature is well below the vaporization temperature of THC, these vapors probably consist of compounds that vaporize at lower temperatures (like water).


12. Extraction Temperature (revised)

I've had good success with extractions at 170 degrees fahrenheit. You'll note that my initial recipe called for maintaining temperature between 150 and 165. At 170 the alcohol mixture will be slightly boiling. Note that this is alcohol boiling not water boiling. Alcohol boils with very fine bubbles as opposed to the rolling boil of water. After 20 minutes the alcohol should be reduced by about half.


13. Green Dragon Final Color and Smell

The green dragon should be a greenish-brown color (more brown than green). If it is emerald green and smells like grass (from the cholorphyll), it will be weak. Emerald green indicates that the pre-baking was not sufficient. The GD should smell like bud, somewhat floral.


14. How To Recover The Green Dragon

When you are done extracting you will have one ounce (or so) of GD. But it is mixed up with the 1/8 oz of spent plant material. Here is how I recover the maximum amount of my extract.


First, I strain it through a regular kitchen mesh strainer. I use the back of a spoon to force out as much GD as possible.


Next (this is the cool part) I use a garlic press to squeeze the remaining leaves. My preference is a Zylis Garlic Press because it has a plunger mechanism, but any press should do. I then put the squeezings into the plunger in batches, and squeeze the holy GD out of it. This trick has increased my overall recovery by about 15%.


There ya go Green Dragonsters. Good luck and Enjoy.


Master Wu

 

[~Dankster~420]

Sounds interesting.

 

[~Dankster~420]

Well hello jello's ... View attachment 3011808 View attachment 3011809 How's everyone doing ?: Just wanted to drop over here & say hello, and also post a few pictures of my ladies. 5th generation Purple Voodoo -> F1 K.A.S.I.#1 -> Night Shade --> View attachment 3011812 Power Pie#2 --> View attachment 3011813 F1 Grand Berry Purple --> View attachment 3011814

 

[Gs3000]

Theres a good article on this site... i used it to make some with great reaults.
http://www.theweedblog.com/the-most-underrated-of-all-marijuana-products-weed-tinctures/

Thanks! SxIstew for the link. How's you grow going!

That's a rare but totally harmless (and some would say desirable) mutation.

Thanks Dankster! I've seen this mutation a couple times. May have to explore it - maybe a way to increase my yeild.

Here is the recipe I'm using. I will update and let you know how it turns out.

This is a simple and efficient 4 Step process.
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Good morning Prosperian! Thanks! great info as always. I am going to give this a couple tries.

Well hello jello's ... View attachment 3011808 View attachment 3011809 How's everyone doing ?: Just wanted to drop over here & say hello, and also post a few pictures of my ladies.

Your Ladies are looking great!

Good to hear from everyone! I thought the thread died/ But it's alive and well. Still green on this side of the fence!

Peace and have a great week!

 

[Slipon]

still green, or in my case pink

 

[mycomaster]

Good grief Slip, I think you actually upped your yield with the Skunk#1. Didn't think you could pull it off over the LSD, but you did it!

Here are some OBR, and Bay11 pics.
Day 40

Bay11
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OBR#1
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Have a blessed day. Myco