Mass Murder by Blade, you Vast Idiots

Beefbisquit said:
Totally. If you're in bed, or at your favorite chair watching Jeopardy eating Cheese pops
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Are you watching me? This man is a stalker!

;) sounds like other noise was getting in the way of your message before. I think we see pretty much eye to eye. Sorry for the beefqueef insult lol
 
NoDrama said:
Me too, its called "My House." I figure if its good enough for 99% of my belongings, my children, my pets and those are REALLY REALLY REALLY valuable, but we depend on the home for our protection, but you don't think that's enough?

It is illegal for people to break into your home without permission is it not?

Now, for clarification I have a alarm system, a gun vault and a dog.
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Good man.

I think in order to bring the USA's gun murder rate down to a number more representative of a world leader and have keep the 2nd amendment intact, citizens need to want to be more responsible. Unfortunately, that doesn't seem to be the case, so the rate will most likely stay the same. Unless some legislation was put in place to mandate responsibility, thereby causing less guns be stolen, but that seems to get violent opposition from the right.

"We can't solve problems by using the same thinking that created them." - Albert Einstein
That is the responsible way to do it, but not everyone can afford that and so a Home is a man's castle.
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Take the bolt/magazine out when you're away, and put it shoe box. How expensive is that?

For some reason, laws do not really prohibit crimes from happening. Making a law about safe storage will only make things worse, not better.

Tragedies happen everyday no matter what laws there are, they are inevitable as the the sun rising each day.
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Absolutely. It's easily preventable tragedies that we should, at the very least, look at ways to stop them from occurring. Nothing is going to be a perfect solution.

Why do we try to legislate morality? It never works, has only negative secondary results. The road to ruin is paved with good intentions.
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It's not morality, it's preventing the theft (one of the main sources) of criminals getting illegal firearms.
 
time for a back ground check on every knife purchase . just like gun control . soon will have a back ground check for cars boats . roller skates . modified skate boards will be a federal offence .
 
kelly4 said:
We should also have to lock up our knives. Speaking of crazy things, why has UB stayed away from this thread. Didn't UB say this kind of blade slaying was impossible? Yet, no peep from him.


UB, Are you still alive? Just say something...anything.
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Why would we lock up knives? You can use a rock as a knife, you can literally find them anywhere.

Guns are a specific tool designed for killing things at a distance.

Never thought I'd have to write this; Gun =/= Knife.
 
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Smithers, what are these lolligaggers shoutting? Are they booing me?

No, sir, they were saying boo-urns boo-urns!
 
thecannacove said:
Lol, I'm not really trying to get anyone. I just think everyone has a capacity for greater knowledge (myself included). I appreciate everyone's participation in a conversation such as this. Topics such as these deserve attention in society.
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And, he's humble too.
 
See? Bombs don't kill from a distance, nor do rocks or big game air rifles. Knives can never be thrown into a kill point. Fire has to be used so close it always kills the arsonist.

And no machette can slash 3 throats at once. Of course, a car is only a close range weapon as is spit. See?
 
Doer said:
See? Bombs don't kill from a distance, nor do rocks or big game air rifles. Knives can never be thrown into a kill point. Fire has to be used so close it always kills the arsonist.

And no machette can slash 3 throats at once. Of course, a car is only a close range weapon as is spit. See?
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Bombs aren't realistic, most people don't own bombs. Cars require licensing/training/registration, high powered air rifles pack comparable power to .22LR, and should be treated as such. The likelihood of dying by BB gun is small. Knives have an accurate and lethal throwing distance of what? And require how much training to actually use effectively? That's what I thought.

Fire? Really? Fire? Just stop.
 
Beefbisquit said:
Knives have an accurate and lethal throwing distance of what? And require how much training to actually use effectively?
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They're also easily obtainable (legally) regardless of criminal history... so consequence of my knife being stolen to use in criminal activity is slim. Way different than guns. Storage of knives would be of concern to me for child safety only.
 
Beefbisquit said:
Bombs aren't realistic, most people don't own bombs. Cars require licensing/training/registration, high powered air rifles pack comparable power to .22LR, and should be treated as such. The likelihood of dying by BB gun is small. Knives have an accurate and lethal throwing distance of what? And require how much training to actually use effectively? That's what I thought.

Fire? Really? Fire? Just stop.
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The best mass murder of all, is fire. As many murders by fire in this country than all other weapons combined. I have posted these stats. And I have posted stats on saves but you ignore all that.

A drawn knife is cause to shoot you dead, within 15 feet. That is the lethal range, where a cop cannot dodge. And thorn sticking is easy, tough guy. I can do it 95% from 8 feet.

It does not take long to learn, just a few minutes a day.

Guns save lives. And I can bean you with a big rock. I have a good arm.

An un-ready weapon is your death ticket, The weapon may as well not exist.
 
Doer said:
The best mass murder of all, is fire. As many murders by fire in this country than all other weapons combined. I have posted these stats. And I have posted stats on saves but you ignore all that.

A drawn knife is cause to shoot you dead, within 15 feet. That is the lethal range, where a cop cannot dodge. And thorn sticking is easy, tough guy. I can do it 95% from 8 feet.

It does not take long to learn, just a few minutes a day.

Guns save lives. And I can bean you with a big rock. I have a good arm.

An un-ready weapon is your death ticket, The weapon may as well not exist.
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There is literally no way to control fire. That's like saying we're going to require licensing for static electricity. The point is retarded, one is a man-made killing implement, the other is a naturally occurring phenomenon. Moot.

LOL - easy there Rambo, we might need to send you and your terminator like skills overseas to sort out Crimea. You're every woman.....

You cannot bean me with a big rock easily, and the likelihood of that killing me is low.

Rock =/= gun. Guns, (realistically) have a max range of about 600 meters, more than that and you really need to know how to shoot. Even out to 600m, it's a tough shot without a nice rifle, probably in .308..... .223 meets it's max range in squadron fire, at 600m, handguns... lol 50m accurately if you're lucky, and have one hell of a pistol.

Posted stats on saves? I did a search and those stats don't exist. So, try again sweetheart.

I'm not arguing against readied firearms, I'm arguing aginst your idiocy when it comes to common sense with firearms. The whole, 'no one can tell me my business" attitude stinks, and is part of the reason the USA has such a disproportionate gun murder rate.
 
Gotta admit, if this was the year 12000 BC, half the people would be exposing "spear control" instead....

..I'm hardly a Heston worshiping right winger, but the word "Criminal" by default means they will break any law including gun control laws and do whatever it is criminals and crazies do anyway...ain't no law gonna stop that...

...and yeah, admittedly sometimes I do wonder if things were like the wild west when everyone toted a gun, I'd bet the last ahole to attempt some mass murder would get 1-2 shots off at them most
 
Beefbisquit said:
There is literally no way to control fire. That's like saying we're going to require licensing for static electricity. The point is retarded, one is a man-made killing implement, the other is a naturally occurring phenomenon. Moot.

LOL - easy there Rambo, we might need to send you and your terminator like skills overseas to sort out Crimea. You're every woman.....

You cannot bean me with a big rock easily, and the likelihood of that killing me is low.

Rock =/= gun. Guns, (realistically) have a max range of about 600 meters, more than that and you really need to know how to shoot. Even out to 600m, it's a tough shot without a nice rifle, probably in .308..... .223 meets it's max range in squadron fire, at 600m, handguns... lol 50m accurately if you're lucky, and have one hell of a pistol.

Posted stats on saves? I did a search and those stats don't exist. So, try again sweetheart.

I'm not arguing against readied firearms, I'm arguing aginst your idiocy when it comes to common sense with firearms. The whole, 'no one can tell me my business" attitude stinks, and is part of the reason the USA has such a disproportionate gun murder rate.
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Fire is controlled for murder. The subject is murder. Are are you sure you don't have massive ADD? You cannot even stick to the point....static electricity??? WTF? Head in the sand.

Tell me any permission device that can be cleared instantly. There is none. So it is a dangerous and killer concept and your attempts be reasonable are sickening.

That is how Hitler got all of Europe. We have been reasonable with Russia and that really works out.
A new cold war.

You are an appeaser, you are the idiot, why we have the 2nd....specifically because of you.

You are just a conflicted and confused Saganist and are the problem by MAKING STUFF UP and ignoring the saves that guns make on daily basis.

It makes you look extremely stupid to ignore the saves.
 
And I notice you are prosing another lie. If I bean you with a rock, I can finish you. I shoot you, most guys will run off, unless I ticked the right little spot. We see that very often on those CCTV foots.

My first shot with a rock is just as likely to kill as a bullet. You want to act like everyone touched by a bullet is killed. They aren't. Look at the stats.

If you think I can't face plant a 1/4 pound rock from handgun distance, you are simply wrong about that. I have hunted with rocks. When you hit a squirrel with rock...that was my childhood. My facebook page say, I travel the world and throw rocks.
 
Beefbisquit said:
Good man.

I think in order to bring the USA's gun murder rate down to a number more representative of a world leader and have keep the 2nd amendment intact, citizens need to want to be more responsible. Unfortunately, that doesn't seem to be the case, so the rate will most likely stay the same. Unless some legislation was put in place to mandate responsibility, thereby causing less guns be stolen, but that seems to get violent opposition from the right.
Stolen guns are not the problem

"We can't solve problems by using the same thinking that created them." - Albert Einstein


Take the bolt/magazine out when you're away, and put it shoe box. How expensive is that?

Honestly? I have over 100 firearms, it would take hours and hours to remove the bolts from all of them every time I left the home. You can buy a bolt for any gun without any kind of background check. So Mr Thief steals your AR-15s and then pays $150 for 2 crappy bolt groups and has them air mailed to him the next day. On the surface your idea has merit, but once we delve deeper we see that it isn't a deterrent at all.

Absolutely. It's easily preventable tragedies that we should, at the very least, look at ways to stop them from occurring. Nothing is going to be a perfect solution.



It's not morality, it's preventing the theft (one of the main sources) of criminals getting illegal firearms.
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Criminals will get firearms no matter what laws are made, or new ways to hide the guns are done. Banks get robbed, yet we have armed guards, huge vaults, sophisticated security systems and FBI and Police to deal with, yet banks are robbed every day. Criminals do not care, they will find a way to get what they want. Many just ask the US government and they get a UPS package with firearms inside.

The question is WHY do they want the firearms in the first place? Most likely has to do with gangs and drugs since 90% of gun murders do.

Perhaps the war on drugs is to blame?
 
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