Gun Ownership to prevent Tyrants ???

NorthofEngland

Well-Known Member
I read this reason quite often.
Americans own guns as a way of ensuring that no undemocratic or tyrannical government can take power by force.....

So, a regime that has the brute force to take power from the government and armed forces of the USA (the worlds only superpower)
will be stopped by motley crews of citizens and their collections of firearms???

SUCH A STUPID ARGUMENT!!!
This argument was relevant during the Revolutionary Period and the War of 1812 era. But, already by the Spanish-American War, technological advances had rendered the self-armed, community group militia's obsolete.

WHY SHOULD THE PEOPLE WHO DISLIKE GUNS HAVE TO SHARE COMMUNITIES WTH PEOPLE WHO ARE IRRESPONSIBLE ENOUGH TO OWN THEM?

I do not expect anyone to have to breath my smoke.
If they don't smoke it is unfair for my cigarette to pollute the air they breath - so I smoke where it will not affect them.
Likewise, people with a more balanced and mature attitude towards the rights and responsibilities of citizenship,
the people who understand that, for every criminal act that is prevented by a citizen with a private weapon,
there are dozens of accidents and 'rage' crimes caused by psychological effects of gun ownership on otherwise law abiding people.
WHY SHOULD THESE PEOPLE HAVE TO LIVE THEIR LIVES WITH THE CONSTANT FEAR THAT SOME OF THEIR NEIGHBOURS OWN POTENTIALLY LETHAL TOYS???
A STREET WITH TEN HOUSES. IN ONE OF THE HOUSES THE OWNER KEEPS A TIGER.
IF ANYTHING WENT WRONG THIS CREATURE COULD HURT OR KILL INNOCENT PEOPLE WHO WERE MATURE AND CONSIDERATE ENOUGH
TO NEVER BRING SUCH AN ANIMAL INTO A COMMUN ITY WITH CHILDREN.
Many of the neighbours would like the Tiger to be removed....
but if an undemocratic and tyrannical government took power, against the wishes of the people,
this Tiger could serve as a valuable weapon in the defence of the nation.
"It is the right of every citizen to own a tiger....
"Riots broke out in Mississippi after the State Senate attempted to limit Tiger ownership to one per month....
"Georgia fails in attempt to ban PCP/Steroid Tiger food.....

THERE IS NOT A GROUP OF GOOD PEOPLE and A GROUP OF BAD PEOPLE (like the 'goodies and baddies' in old movies.
Sometimes law abiding people have break downs and act out of character.

The NRA likes to put people in one of these two distinct categories.
"Let's arm school teachers".
What happens if one of these teachers loses control....?

People are too complicated, too unpredictable
to think that gun ownership can exist
without gun crime.
For a person who has lost everything and is bitter at the world
leaving this life in a bullet fuelled blaze of glory is a powerful incentive.
 

Wilksey

Well-Known Member
Who says you have to engage the armed forces of your enemy to defeat them?

Why, in some parts of the world, simply killing the naive unarmed supporters of your enemy has lead to their defeat due to the erosion of popular support.
 

BoogNBuds

Well-Known Member
It's funny how the rest of the world thinks this about the American gun laws, it's usually like "what now" when we here something about guns there.
Americans seem to be the only ones that don't see the true problem with guns, more then 11,400 people died from gun related deaths in 2013, compared to 200 in Australia, fair the U.S population is 10 times Australia's,
10 times 200 is still 2000, our gun laws are much more controlled and understood, and there is simply less gun's, thus less of a problem.
 

jahbrudda

Well-Known Member
I read this reason quite often.
Americans own guns as a way of ensuring that no undemocratic or tyrannical government can take power by force.....

So, a regime that has the brute force to take power from the government and armed forces of the USA (the worlds only superpower)
will be stopped by motley crews of citizens and their collections of firearms???

SUCH A STUPID ARGUMENT!!!
This argument was relevant during the Revolutionary Period and the War of 1812 era. But, already by the Spanish-American War, technological advances had rendered the self-armed, community group militia's obsolete.

WHY SHOULD THE PEOPLE WHO DISLIKE GUNS HAVE TO SHARE COMMUNITIES WTH PEOPLE WHO ARE IRRESPONSIBLE ENOUGH TO OWN THEM?

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I believe you are leaving a few arguments off the table.
The majority of guns owners I know are more concerned with protecting themselves and their family.
They also enjoy their right to use them recreationally.

Who says you have to engage the armed forces of your enemy to defeat them?

Why, in some parts of the world, simply killing the naive unarmed supporters of your enemy has lead to their defeat due to the erosion of popular support.
Who says that all the military members will side with the government on this issue, I think it would be lopsided the other way.
 

jahbrudda

Well-Known Member
It's funny how the rest of the world thinks this about the American gun laws, it's usually like "what now" when we here something about guns there.
Americans seem to be the only ones that don't see the true problem with guns, more then 11,400 people died from gun related deaths in 2013, compared to 200 in Australia, fair the U.S population is 10 times Australia's,
10 times 200 is still 2000, our gun laws are much more controlled and understood, and there is simply less gun's, thus less of a problem.
The majority of the gun deaths in those statistics are from suicide and gang related murders.
 

TWS

Well-Known Member
Criminals And the mentally Ill will always find away to get guns I for one wish to protect myself from these cases . If everyone was armed These school,mall,movies shootings would be less detrimental then they are. The guns are not to over throw the US goverment but to protect yourself when the goverment collapses. All so don't think that we can't ever be invaded.
The Op's statement makes me sick and you all should be put on a gunless Island together full of bad guys.lol If you or a family member was ever violated you would understand the reason to protect yourself and family, life aint a bowl of cherries as you would like to believe.
 

desert dude

Well-Known Member
I read this reason quite often.
Americans own guns as a way of ensuring that no undemocratic or tyrannical government can take power by force.....

So, a regime that has the brute force to take power from the government and armed forces of the USA (the worlds only superpower)
will be stopped by motley crews of citizens and their collections of firearms???

SUCH A STUPID ARGUMENT!!!
This argument was relevant during the Revolutionary Period and the War of 1812 era. But, already by the Spanish-American War, technological advances had rendered the self-armed, community group militia's obsolete.

WHY SHOULD THE PEOPLE WHO DISLIKE GUNS HAVE TO SHARE COMMUNITIES WTH PEOPLE WHO ARE IRRESPONSIBLE ENOUGH TO OWN THEM?

I do not expect anyone to have to breath my smoke.
If they don't smoke it is unfair for my cigarette to pollute the air they breath - so I smoke where it will not affect them.
Likewise, people with a more balanced and mature attitude towards the rights and responsibilities of citizenship,
the people who understand that, for every criminal act that is prevented by a citizen with a private weapon,
there are dozens of accidents and 'rage' crimes caused by psychological effects of gun ownership on otherwise law abiding people.
WHY SHOULD THESE PEOPLE HAVE TO LIVE THEIR LIVES WITH THE CONSTANT FEAR THAT SOME OF THEIR NEIGHBOURS OWN POTENTIALLY LETHAL TOYS???
A STREET WITH TEN HOUSES. IN ONE OF THE HOUSES THE OWNER KEEPS A TIGER.
IF ANYTHING WENT WRONG THIS CREATURE COULD HURT OR KILL INNOCENT PEOPLE WHO WERE MATURE AND CONSIDERATE ENOUGH
TO NEVER BRING SUCH AN ANIMAL INTO A COMMUN ITY WITH CHILDREN.
Many of the neighbours would like the Tiger to be removed....
but if an undemocratic and tyrannical government took power, against the wishes of the people,
this Tiger could serve as a valuable weapon in the defence of the nation.
"It is the right of every citizen to own a tiger....
"Riots broke out in Mississippi after the State Senate attempted to limit Tiger ownership to one per month....
"Georgia fails in attempt to ban PCP/Steroid Tiger food.....

THERE IS NOT A GROUP OF GOOD PEOPLE and A GROUP OF BAD PEOPLE (like the 'goodies and baddies' in old movies.
Sometimes law abiding people have break downs and act out of character.

The NRA likes to put people in one of these two distinct categories.
"Let's arm school teachers".
What happens if one of these teachers loses control....?

People are too complicated, too unpredictable
to think that gun ownership can exist
without gun crime.
For a person who has lost everything and is bitter at the world
leaving this life in a bullet fuelled blaze of glory is a powerful incentive.
It worked in 1776 against the world's preeminent super power! Ask your wife what freedom is worth, I am sure she understands it better than you.

One star, as usual.
 

NoDrama

Well-Known Member
I read this reason quite often.
Americans own guns as a way of ensuring that no undemocratic or tyrannical government can take power by force.....

So, a regime that has the brute force to take power from the government and armed forces of the USA (the worlds only superpower)
will be stopped by motley crews of citizens and their collections of firearms???

SUCH A STUPID ARGUMENT!!!
This argument was relevant during the Revolutionary Period and the War of 1812 era. But, already by the Spanish-American War, technological advances had rendered the self-armed, community group militia's obsolete.

WHY SHOULD THE PEOPLE WHO DISLIKE GUNS HAVE TO SHARE COMMUNITIES WTH PEOPLE WHO ARE IRRESPONSIBLE ENOUGH TO OWN THEM?

I do not expect anyone to have to breath my smoke.
If they don't smoke it is unfair for my cigarette to pollute the air they breath - so I smoke where it will not affect them.
Likewise, people with a more balanced and mature attitude towards the rights and responsibilities of citizenship,
the people who understand that, for every criminal act that is prevented by a citizen with a private weapon,
there are dozens of accidents and 'rage' crimes caused by psychological effects of gun ownership on otherwise law abiding people.
WHY SHOULD THESE PEOPLE HAVE TO LIVE THEIR LIVES WITH THE CONSTANT FEAR THAT SOME OF THEIR NEIGHBOURS OWN POTENTIALLY LETHAL TOYS???
A STREET WITH TEN HOUSES. IN ONE OF THE HOUSES THE OWNER KEEPS A TIGER.
IF ANYTHING WENT WRONG THIS CREATURE COULD HURT OR KILL INNOCENT PEOPLE WHO WERE MATURE AND CONSIDERATE ENOUGH
TO NEVER BRING SUCH AN ANIMAL INTO A COMMUN ITY WITH CHILDREN.
Many of the neighbours would like the Tiger to be removed....
but if an undemocratic and tyrannical government took power, against the wishes of the people,
this Tiger could serve as a valuable weapon in the defence of the nation.
"It is the right of every citizen to own a tiger....
"Riots broke out in Mississippi after the State Senate attempted to limit Tiger ownership to one per month....
"Georgia fails in attempt to ban PCP/Steroid Tiger food.....

THERE IS NOT A GROUP OF GOOD PEOPLE and A GROUP OF BAD PEOPLE (like the 'goodies and baddies' in old movies.
Sometimes law abiding people have break downs and act out of character.

The NRA likes to put people in one of these two distinct categories.
"Let's arm school teachers".
What happens if one of these teachers loses control....?

People are too complicated, too unpredictable
to think that gun ownership can exist
without gun crime.
For a person who has lost everything and is bitter at the world
leaving this life in a bullet fuelled blaze of glory is a powerful incentive.
The ignorance is astounding.

Not one factually correct statement.
 
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canndo

Well-Known Member
I believe you are leaving a few arguments off the table.
The majority of guns owners I know are more concerned with protecting themselves and their family.
They also enjoy their right to use them recreationally.



Who says that all the military members will side with the government on this issue, I think it would be lopsided the other way.

So your entire argument is based upon the people you know and your personal projection that the military will ignore all of their training. I know I am convinced.
 

canndo

Well-Known Member
Criminals And the mentally Ill will always find away to get guns I for one wish to protect myself from these cases . If everyone was armed These school,mall,movies shootings would be less detrimental then they are. The guns are not to over throw the US goverment but to protect yourself when the goverment collapses. All so don't think that we can't ever be invaded.
The Op's statement makes me sick and you all should be put on a gunless Island together full of bad guys.lol If you or a family member was ever violated you would understand the reason to protect yourself and family, life aint a bowl of cherries as you would like to believe.
This is a totaly unexamined statement. Imagine a dark theater where there was one bad shooter and several hundred "good" guys with guns. I dare you.
 
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