Health Care and Income - What would you pay?
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Rob Roy
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You know Buck, no matter how hard you squeeze a lump of shit it will not turn into a diamond. Even if you can get alot of people to say what a pretty jewel, it is still a lump of shit.
The reason healthcare is so high is because when you regulate the free market so heavily you eliminate potential service providers. When you eliminate potential service providers, using threats of force of course, you decrease "supply". Do I really need to give a basic economics course to a clown....no I'll just let you wear the clown shoes a little longer.
Rob Roy
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The fair price is what the unimpeded free market can offer the unimpeded buyer. No price that involves an unwanted third party or "gun in the room" is fair, since the equation is unnaturally skewed by an unnecessary variable, the third party. In other words a fixed central planned economy is a trainwreck.
Not trying to ridicule, but the o.p. question in the present is like saying, would you rather fly a tiger or a lion across the ocean.
Not trying to ridicule, but the o.p. question in the present is like saying, would you rather fly a tiger or a lion across the ocean.
Rob Roy
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Socialism is fine as long as all of the people involved are fine with it. Of course that is the problem.
Socialists usually "solve" equations by first applying an edict backed by a gun. Prohibitionist tactics are the same. Please consider the means used when you evaluate if something has value or not. Forcing people to do things is very very bad, don't you know?
UncleBuck
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hey rob,
go take a look at how all the other wealthy nations do it. take notes on who has more "regulation" on the "free market" (hint: them) and then remind me who pays less (hint: them) and who covers more of their citizens (hint: them).
clown shoes indeed.
regards,
unclebuck
UncleBuck
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seriously, just clean your fucking room already before your dad gets home.
racerboy71
bud bootlegger
i just can't imagine this utopia that you think exists when there's absolutely no form of government, or laws or any sense of order as it doesn't sound anything near utopia to me..
governments and laws exist imvho, for the better of the group.. of course a few suffer who aren't on board with this or that, but for the most part, the bigger percent of people are happy and content and don't have issues with laws that were created in order to stop chaos and a free for all, pure anarchy society..
i'm not saying what we have now is the best thing ever, but it sure beats a lot of the alternatives imvho.
canndo
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Bullshit. health care is not grapes or cars. You don't get to shop around for a better price when you find yourself in the midst of a heart attack. If you don't think there has been and will be collusion in the health industry than you are sadly mistaken, and that collusion will happen no matter how much competition there is, if there is any at all. Here's an idea, try to start a competitive health insurance company, or a competitive hospital and see if that drives the price of health care or insurance down.
Your "basic" economics do not apply here.
canndo
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How much should you pay for insurance? That depends upon what you stand to lose if you do not have it. Not much to lose? then don't pay much. Do the minimum with car insurance. Don't own a home? don't spend much in renter's insurance.
Now, how much is the health of you or your family worth?
Now, how much is the health of you or your family worth?
ChesusRice
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12% no deductibles. And that is more than the EU countries. usually when people talk about how much they pay for health insurance they always seem to forget. The employer is paying 50-85% of the premium
ChesusRice
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He is at his grandmas now. His parents couldnt take his shit anymore
Balke Buds
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Racer, two ends of the spectrum...neither good...all powerful, controlling gov / no gov.
Utopia is a gov that does what it is suppose to do and ONLY what it is suppose to do....and IT is controlled.
Some of us feel this health care law is a push in the wrong direction....feels like the wrong party is doing the controlling.
racerboy71
bud bootlegger
ehh, i get what you're saying, but you mustn't be too familiar with rob roys view of the world, as i was mainly aiming that at him and his no government is good government thinking.
Balke Buds
Member
Gotcha.
Anyway, I guess getting sick and just dying in the woods somewhere (for free) is no longer an option.
It kills me though (no pun intended) that only the monthly premium is being considered here, the hefty deductible is what is gonna kick my ass because after I pay $650/month (my cost) I still have to come up with $10k deductible before all my shit is covered.
racerboy71
bud bootlegger
the out of pocket on some of these plans are pretty horrible, i agree..
Rob Roy
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Even if what you say is true, which it may not be, that doesn't address the idea that people are forced to buy something does it? Freedom much? Who has more people in jail than anyone and more debt than anyone? Do you really need a hint to answer this, no probably not.
Rob Roy
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No coercive government is a better description for my view point. There is a significant difference if you care to examine it.
Rob Roy
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You might have a problem understanding how a free market would bring more choices and lower prices to consumers.
It works like this. You grow some cat shit smelling weed and offer it for sale to some local "patient" for $250 an oz. Another person comes in and gives them the good stuff and offers it to them for the same price. Your customer, not being your captive, opt to go with the other guy because, well your weed is cat shit weed. This then benefits the consumer because when there are more players allowed in a given market...prices usually drop and choices expand.
Lesson one. Shine your clown shoes...slave. To be continued.