Results on how Rep. Texans voted regarding referendums/propositions yesterday!

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beans davis

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"Holder, Clinton and Obama accountable " They should be hung for treason...slowly...till their frickin tongues & eyes pop out!
 
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bluerock

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Harrekin said:
Welfare in the sense that I mean is unemployment payments.

Unemployment related welfare should provide survival, not a lifestyle like so many think.

It should cover basic food and water and basic living conditions, that's all.

And you're aware drug tests in fact test for moar than just opitiates?

Why should the taxpayer cover recreational drug use by people who are supposed to be barely survivng ?
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OK, but unemployment is very different from welfare/disability in that it is theoretically temporary. So let's say all these unemployed people are out there blowing their unemployment check on pot, meth, and coke in addition to their opiate prescription. The taxpayer forks out $1,200 - that's per test - and the unemployed person tests hot. Does the political will exist to kick them off unemployment rolls? I don't think so. More likely, they would be forced to participate in a treatment program, while still picking up a check. Now you are really blowing some money on such persons. Far cheaper to let them get doped up out of their minds on the public dole and simply limit the time people can stay on unemployment benefits.

As for welfare, there is a cottage industry dedicated to helping these people shift over to federal disability payments as that is permanent. The SSI program quite clearly states that they will not even investigate any claims that a given recipient is not truly disabled. If the feds don't give a damn whether the recipient is actually disabled, they couldn't care less if the recipient is taking drugs beyond their existing prescription.
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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Uncle Ben said:
Drug testing for welfare recipients - It's just a statement reflecting how fed up we taxpayers are with the gimme hand outs system.
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they've tried this in florida and elsewhere, you end up spending more money on the drug tests than you save by kicking a scant 1-2% off the system.

but hey, you're entitled to your idiocy, no matter how backwards, counterproductive, and violative of the constitution it may be.
 
kpmarine

kpmarine

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God forbid we try to help the addicts instead of putting them on the streets. I mean, it's not like they're people too or anything.
 
Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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Uncle Ben said:
Drug testing for welfare recipients - It's just a statement reflecting how fed up we taxpayers are with the gimme hand outs system. I've seen first hand not only the graft but the kingdoms built around welfare regarding administration....their labor, equipment, building needs and other support requirements.

Decades ago I worked for years in a fed jobs program called CETA (Comprehensive Employment and Training Act). It was a federally funded (us taxpayers) program for adults and high school students. We took apps but never checked for the accuracy regarding the "poverty guideline" requirements. We knew many were lieing, didn't meet the requirements legitimately but were powerless to do anything about it. Federal (labor) funds that was not spent come the first part of the 4th quarter was not good. We were instructed to spend it all or the Dept. of Labor would reduce next year's budget allocation....so we did. That's just the tip of the iceberg of gov. waste and fraud. The state Human Resources departments (welfare) are no better. State commissioner wants to come off as a good guy so what does he do? Gives all state employees an paid extra holiday off. Friend who's in the welfare system as a computer trainer bragged about it. I was furious that they have this much freedom to piss off MY money.

And when some lieing son-bitch like Obama says he's decreasing such and such to save the taxpayers money, don't believe it. We used to play that game, "we're spending 6% less this year, hooray!" Right, after you got an 8% increase from the get-go.

It's all a game......played on the backs of hard working Americans.
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Goddamn, conservative stupidity is absolutely fucking astounding..

They waste TRILLIONS fighting the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, Billions on the bank bailouts, but your worried about the fraction of a percentage spent on poor people

Shove that shit right up your ass, hillbilly
 
Harrekin

Harrekin

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kpmarine said:
God forbid we try to help the addicts instead of putting them on the streets. I mean, it's not like they're people too or anything.
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Addicts need to want help, otherwise you're wasting time.

My opinion?

In Ireland for example we have roughly €250 mill a year in costs from addiction related crime, yet if the Govt purchased the drugs and gave them to the addicts via a doctor, etc it'd cost roughly €60 mill and obviously sharing needles, impure drugs etc are no longer an issue.

However this would require a paradigm shift from it being treated as a criminal matter to a public health matter.

To be honest I suppose I can't see the correct solution from my centrist position for the times we live in now without the aforementioned shift, but I can understand why the taxpayer doesn't want to support junkies ideologically but I'd still approach it from a public health angle.
 
Harrekin

Harrekin

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Padawanbater2 said:
Goddamn, conservative stupidity is absolutely fucking astounding..

They waste TRILLIONS fighting the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, Billions on the bank bailouts, but your worried about the fraction of a percentage spent on poor people

Shove that shit right up your ass, hillbilly
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Our banks have paid back most of the bailout liquidity funds they were given.

Austerity doesn't work, no?
 
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Wilksey

Well-Known Member
Padawanbater2 said:
Goddamn, conservative stupidity is absolutely fucking astounding..

They waste TRILLIONS fighting the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, Billions on the bank bailouts, but your worried about the fraction of a percentage spent on poor people

Shove that shit right up your ass, hillbilly
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"They"?

Both retarded parties had the ability to stop the spending on the "wars" waged in A-stan and Iraq.

Both parties continued to support that bullshit.

Both parties are complicit in wasting lives, resources, and the trust of the American people, if not the world.

The party system works for themselves, and no one else.

They need to be abolished, and new represents need to be elected based on ability and merit, and not on any convenient bullshit "party" platform.
 
Doer

Doer

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Uncle Ben said:
The only people who are ripping me off is the Obama administration and Congress. They take from me, pass laws that don't work, under pretenses of duress - jail time or fines. It's totalitarism. I have no choice but abide or be thrown in jail. Witness the heavy handed actions of Obama's IRS against conservative groups, the NSA intrusion into our private lives and leaders of European nations. He should be impeached based on many grounds of constitutional and Bill of Rights infringements.

The rich don't take from any body. Why? Because you have a choice. Nobody's forcing you to buy that Blackberry or iPad, wear your Nike tennis shoes, watch your big screen TV. And if you're a Walmart employee and don't like it, quit.

BTW, I like banks because of the conveniences and ability to get credit if needed and I like Monsanto's products.

UB
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He likes Monsanto products.

So do I!!!
 
Doer

Doer

Well-Known Member
Padawanbater2 said:
Goddamn, conservative stupidity is absolutely fucking astounding..

They waste TRILLIONS fighting the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, Billions on the bank bailouts, but your worried about the fraction of a percentage spent on poor people

Shove that shit right up your ass, hillbilly
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You speak like a headless gargoyle. That is absolutely astounding to me.
 
Doer

Doer

Well-Known Member
Well, it is proven. Headless gargoyles can type.....somehow. That's the science of Politics. :)
 
kpmarine

kpmarine

Well-Known Member
Harrekin said:
Addicts need to want help, otherwise you're wasting time.

My opinion?

In Ireland for example we have roughly €250 mill a year in costs from addiction related crime, yet if the Govt purchased the drugs and gave them to the addicts via a doctor, etc it'd cost roughly €60 mill and obviously sharing needles, impure drugs etc are no longer an issue.

However this would require a paradigm shift from it being treated as a criminal matter to a public health matter.

To be honest I suppose I can't see the correct solution from my centrist position for the times we live in now without the aforementioned shift, but I can understand why the taxpayer doesn't want to support junkies ideologically but I'd still approach it from a public health angle.
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In this country, they're willing to spend more money to makes their lives hell; without taking into account that it's a brutal cycle to do that. Maybe one day we'll get to the point where making attempts to help makes things better is not frowned upon.
 
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