Getting tired of Recreational ruining it for Medical. My Bitch Thread.

AlGore

AlGore

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Excuse me, I'm not spoiled. You know nothing about me. I went back to college, graduated, got my dream job, worked my ass off for 18 months, and moved myself to Colorado.

I'm guessing your not in a med state? Forgive me if I'm wrong but seems that way from your anger and ignorance.

With the amount that I consume, and the other people in my family that also require cbd and concentrates. Let me spell a few things out I guess, thought I covered most of this already but yea...


  • It's illegal under state law for me to grow that much, regardless of extended plant counts.
  • The level of quality is not there to what we need as well. 10 more grows and a few thousand more in better equipment and maybe I will be(also looking for a place I can grow outdoors when we buy).
  • I personally use a variety of strains for different effects and to prevent building up tolerance. In Fla I could only get the good stuff 2oz at a time and by the end I would be sick of it.
  • We require high cbd strains(2:1) as well, made into bho and put into coco and food starch capsules along with topical cream for cancer treatment.
  • Everything except bho, even the premo flower, is very cheap for members at Dispensaries. Riverrock has "premium" Ozs at $125 for members, and the flower i get is their "top-flight" works out to around $200oz for members.
  • Do you not see at those prices, how it's close to the same as growing my own? Shit street value is damn low too, but that is a crapshoot less you know topflight caregivers.

PS> I just happened to make this video bored last night btw... might help give you perspective... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UaQZWACq4U4
 
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joe macclennan

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AlGore said:
Excuse me, I'm not spoiled. You know nothing about me. I went back to college, graduated, got my dream job, worked my ass off for 18 months, and moved myself to Colorado.

I'm guessing your not in a med state? Forgive me if I'm wrong but seems that way from your anger and ignorance.

With the amount that I consume, and the other people in my family that also require cbd and concentrates. Let me spell a few things out I guess, thought I covered most of this already but yea...


  • It's illegal under state law for me to grow that much, regardless of extended plant counts.
  • The level of quality is not there to what we need as well. 10 more grows and a few thousand more in better equipment and maybe I will be(also looking for a place I can grow outdoors when we buy).
  • I personally use a variety of strains for different effects and to prevent building up tolerance. In Fla I could only get the good stuff 2oz at a time and by the end I would be sick of it.
  • We require high cbd strains(2:1) as well, made into bho and put into coco and food starch capsules along with topical cream for cancer treatment.
  • Everything except bho, even the premo flower, is very cheap for members at Dispensaries. Riverrock has "premium" Ozs at $125 for members, and the flower i get is their "top-flight" works out to around $200oz for members.
  • Do you not see at those prices, how it's close to the same as growing my own? Shit street value is damn low too, but that is a crapshoot less you know topflight caregivers.

PS> I just happened to make this video bored last night btw... might help give you perspective... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UaQZWACq4U4
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you have me all wrong broski

I am not angry or mad in anyway. Far from it....seriously. and I do have compassion for those who cannot afford the prices being charged if they really need it for their medical issues....I really do.

but all that aside.......My ONLY point was that you are bitching about being able to buy LEGAL WEED!

The price of it doesn't even factor in.

MANY MANY MANY people in this nation( more than half) do not have access to legal weed at all. and there are more people who can use it for medical reason that cannot get it legally than can.

and for all we know those states who do have it now will probably regulate it to the point where it will be prohibitively expensive to buy legally anyway in the near future.

forcing most folks to go back underground. You need to rethink your position here.
 
AlGore

AlGore

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Actually what I'm bitching about is the recreational sales and integration model fucking up the quality and supply for existing medicinal patients. Not all dispensaries are like this, but even my favorite one(which has rec) has even said the best of the best is on rec right now because they are charging twice as much so they feel they have to. But their med side has virtually not suffered at all like some of these other places, which are obviously only concerned with the new rec demand, and the double profit that comes with it.

These dispensary owners have been here for 5-10 years, that made their name serving medical patients, and now their places have become circuses of overpriced crap.

I feel for those in other states, hell even a lot of med states still have very shitty supply and availability, just look at Mi or DC, lol. What I'm saying is I worked my ass off for years to make living here a reality, so I don't put that much stock in your argument that I have no right to complain about what is happening here.
 
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joe macclennan

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you are splitting hairs here.

you can buy weed legally...but don't like the price.

therefore you don't like capitalism. You have several options to rectify this situation as I see it.

1: grow more of your own...legally or not...just like most of us

2: bite the bullet and pay more

3: move somewhere else where it is more affordable

4: don't do shit and complain on an online forum about how unfair the world is

I'm guessing you are going with option 4 as you have exhausted all other avenues available to you and you have already worked so hard to be where you are and don't need to work any harder apparently. :joint:

and I care less if you "take stock in my argument" or not

like it or not, most of 'merica isn't as lucky as you.
 
AlGore

AlGore

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I think you are misunderstanding...

I don't buy recreational, my prices(med) are still very good, I'd pay twice this in Fla for what is considered bottom shelf out here. I actually defend the outrageous rec prices, citing Econ 101.

Again, as stated in the title thread, and repeated in my last post, this is bitching about the quality and availability drop for medical patients, and applies to the shops that are being fucking ridiculous about it.

As for the rest of your points, you are either a fail troll, ignorant, or have a problem reading. Kindly fuck off please, thanks!
 
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joe macclennan

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so let me see where I misread then.

so you are saying that you as a medi patient are NOT allowed to walk across to the rec side and buy the weed and concentrates you are looking for?

because I swear you posted that you could....it just cost more

and why should econ101 not apply to the medi industry as well?
 
AlGore

AlGore

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It already does wise guy, why you think med and street prices are so low?

And why the hell would I go buy recreational marijuana and pay up to 33% tax and higher prices when I can just go to a Dispensary that respects that this industry was built on the medical marijuana community? Some places still realize they can make plenty of money without screwing people over for their medicine.

I use cannabis to treat serious medical conditions, not recreational, that is just a bonus, lol. You are sort of saying go buy pain pills $10 each of the street for your back-pain because the pharmacy ran out.

Just because all the big boys lobbied for a bullshit recreational system that has enabled them to not only fuck over their medical patients(taking away floor space, only produce mip for rec, etc), but also drive out the competition from outside investment as well as corner the recreational market, doesn't make it right. And it certainly doesn't make it invalid for me to bitch about them on a medical marijuana section of a growing forum with other people in my state.

So again, fuck off dude, I think you just jelly, lol.
 
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joe macclennan

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lol...you have no argument.

You just mad because you have to pay the same as everybody else...no other reason. you think you should get it cheaper because you are a medi patient. WRONG! There is nothing wrong with a disp. owner capitalizing on a temporary shift in market prices. Especially since they'll all be shut down in a few years anyway with big pharma stepping in.

you just can't see the forest through the trees.


and you think I'm jelly???? I have all I need bub. unlike you apparently. Plus my few medi patients. :)

but keep ending your posts telling me to fuck off LOL

see where that gets ya ;)

kinda funny when someone has no argument they resort to this. Very telling on your maturity there tonto

have I told you to fuck off? Or called you names? Other than calling you spoiled which you are. And a bit snobbish like you deserve more than everybody else for some reason?
 
Red1966

Red1966

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AlGore said:
Actually what I'm bitching about is the recreational sales and integration model fucking up the quality and supply for existing medicinal patients. Not all dispensaries are like this, but even my favorite one(which has rec) has even said the best of the best is on rec right now because they are charging twice as much so they feel they have to. But their med side has virtually not suffered at all like some of these other places, which are obviously only concerned with the new rec demand, and the double profit that comes with it. These dispensary owners have been here for 5-10 years, that made their name serving medical patients, and now their places have become circuses of overpriced crap. I feel for those in other states, hell even a lot of med states still have very shitty supply and availability, just look at Mi or DC, lol. What I'm saying is I worked my ass off for years to make living here a reality, so I don't put that much stock in your argument that I have no right to complain about what is happening here.
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Sounds to me that you think you should be exempt from the law of supply and demand.
 
makisupa

makisupa

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medical registrations are back on the rise so now youve got more people to compete w/ on the med side too.

the government needs to find a middle ground so that people who dont necessarily need one arent inclined to get a red card to avoid rec taxes. now that rec is legal there is no reason for people who HONESTLY need MEDICINE to be competing for product w/ people who just want to save a few bucks on taxes. the medical community could do a lot to enforce this as well but there are too many pop up doctors willing to give anyone a card for $60 and double their plant count for $120. and all of this goes to actually de-legitimizing medical cannabis which is good for nobody.

the doctors who will sign anyone up and the dispensaries that race for patients have created an atmosphere where most of us dont look at medical cannabis consumption as potentially taking away medicine from people who need it. as long as you can sign up and give them your 6 plants it doesnt matter. but if theres a huge influx of registrations and membership sign-ups in january, following a year or two of steady decline, it still takes until at least april or may to get those new crops up and ready for the shelf.

also, if we really want dispensaries to start focusing on cannabis as medicine the gov't needs to de-incentivize the medical sign-up process. MEDICAL dispensaries should be allowed to grow as much as they need to promote medical research, pheno selection on high cbd strains etc. currently its just a race to sign up as many patients as possible to grow their 6 plants which really does not provide much room for research after the need to keep shelves stocked.


edit to add - i am not a medical patient, i do not need cannabis as medicine. i have been a red card holder in the past so that my crop was legal but i let it expire after a64 because my crop is now legal anyway.
 
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joe macclennan

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dammit guys! I'm not trying to troll here but you guys are missing the big picture IMO.

medi is on the way out. Big pharma is on the way in...that's the way it will be.

and as far as rec...I doubt this flies for long either

you guys need to develop a backup plan and not get too comfortable.

I hope I am wrong on this. I really do.
 
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HumbleNMotivated

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AlGore said:
I think you are one of the few reasonable minded folk responding here, hehe... And fair point business is business, and business is good, lol. However clearing floor space away from existing med patients and giving it to rec is kinda fucked up.

The thing that pisses me off the most is the BHO stuff at Riverrock, and once they get it fixed I'll be happy again... Just don't bullshit me and tell me come back next week, 4 weeks in a row.

And as far as getting bho elsewhere, I address it below but here as well. I agree that having good friends in this community would be awesome. And I would actually love to have a Top-flight personal caregiver for bomb flowers and/or concentrates. I just have no idea where to start really. I've only been here since Aug, I work from home, and don't like to go out and party and shit, so I don't really meet new people very often, hehe. Plus I mean who can you trust really? Esp when it comes to bho?
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Why thank you sir! Yea that was something I hadn't really considered was that you were in need of very specific shatter like CBD on a regular. I don't have any reason to smoke weed besides I love it and it makes me shanti. If you need CBD shatter regularly even just having friends won't get that done regularly.

Yea like you said I would have no idea where to start if I just didn't happen to have friends first then they got into the weed game growing and making shatter after. I have two friends and three friends of friends that I can really trust with premo flowers and BHO and that just happens to also be people I've been friends with for 7+ years. If you happen to meet someone reliable and nice hold onto them. Make a good relationship with them and it'll work out in the long run.

joe macclennan said:
dammit guys! I'm not trying to troll here but you guys are missing the big picture IMO.

medi is on the way out. Big pharma is on the way in...that's the way it will be.

and as far as rec...I doubt this flies for long either

you guys need to develop a backup plan and not get too comfortable.

I hope I am wrong on this. I really do.
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I disagree, for now at least. When buying locally from dispensaries at this time you can only buy a small percentage of weed on their shelves that they didn't grow themselves, not certain but they may not even be able to buy any weed to sell. So for now all dispensaries that aren't associated with big business can't become big business unless they partner or get bought out. Some may be big business funded from the beginning but none that I would go to anyways while it was medical up til three months ago.

The consumers have the choice in the end. Keep supporting your local none big business dispensary. Otherwise start growing your own, that's what is awesome about the Colorado legislation in comparison to Washington's.

The black market for weed will always be around as long as there are states that aren't legalized. Even then I think it'll be around in competitive pricing. All those people that have been utilizing the black market for years already have a backup plan... Their dealer. Start networking, that's what making something illegal always does, it bands people together.

If it's legal it also doesn't keep caregiver groups with medical intent from banding together to provide for patients with meds that actually have medical needs.

It's like saying there is only big business in brewing beer.... When it's something that everyone can do at home with some equipment and knowledge it can never be only big business.
 
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CrownMeKing

Active Member
This! I don't like rec one bit, I'm 20 so lost a few of my collectives due too them only serving 21+. To OP I advise (The Cinic) the flowers are amazing & so are the concentrates. Members get $100 credit as well.
 
makisupa

makisupa

Active Member
HumbleNMotivated said:
It's like saying there is only big business in brewing beer.... When it's something that everyone can do at home with some equipment and knowledge it can never be only big business.
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& to add to that - i think colorado's explosive craft beer scene is a fairly good barometer for the cannabis industry. we have plenty of successful small brewers pushing the envelopes of commercial brewing and gaining huge support and many accolades. i think people in colorado have a sense of place and pride in our home and many go out of their way to support local small businesses. we have coors but we also have crooked stave who is at the completely opposite end of the beer spectrum, and they just built out a new brewhouse in the biggest, newest, trendiest european style market in town (the source) and its frickin epic (cant wait 'til they actually start brewing there)!
 
Mountain Herb

Mountain Herb

Member
I refuse to go into a dispensary that sells both rec and med. I did it once so I could say I went into the highest shop in the state, not only did my 1/8 cost almost $60, but despite the smell, taste and look of the bud (all good) it was super dried out and after smoking it I wonder if it works at all. What a joke! I DO grow my own and have for a long time but I also enjoy trying the new strains out before I grow them myself.
 
SnapsProvolone

SnapsProvolone

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Mountain Herb said:
I refuse to go into a dispensary that sells both rec and med. I did it once so I could say I went into the highest shop in the state, not only did my 1/8 cost almost $60, but despite the smell, taste and look of the bud (all good) it was super dried out and after smoking it I wonder if it works at all. What a joke! I DO grow my own and have for a long time but I also enjoy trying the new strains out before I grow them myself.
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Right on. Where is a Colorado rec shop that's not med? Only med was allowed in the game at first. Any pure rec shop has to have a medical producer behind it.
 
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