tooteefrootee
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well spoken words and fact....
AN or Humbolt Nutrients?
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bottom line AN uses nasty stuff that I won't bore you with and gets the yield by stretching your plants cells with water until they are bloated out causing your crystals to move further and further away as the plant isn't producing an exponential amount more so your THC % drops. Humboldt is "more" straight up however far from stellar. The nutrient companies are all hype search the AAPCO trace metals site http://www.aapfco.org/metals.htm and see which companies actually are the cleanest. The nutrient battles are all hype and I will tell you right now stay away from AN and you should consider Dyna like others have said before you go deep into Humboldt. Just my opinion I have seen some killer stuff from Humboldt but the Naturals line is questionable and Dyna is a solid bet. Good luck
Tell me again how protekt, kln, and magpro are good products? Let me know if you want to venture into the other guys realm. Let's start with Dynagro and then i'll break down the others
For ya
homebrewer
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I know your question isn't directed at me but protekt is their silica additive, it's good stuff. Yada yada, the raw salts are cheaper.
Magpro isn't needed.
KLN will get you roots faster than NOT using KLN. All in all, you'd eventually get roots at cloning using nothing at all.
None of those products, however, are a watered-down poor value like the comparable products from other companies.
tooteefrootee
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I could care less what you think of me really...
and at the same time I could care less or not at all of your opinion and existence "brah"
and at the same time I could care less or not at all of your opinion and existence "brah"
tooteefrootee
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and I can guarantee you I wont....
Thats a great choice, I use Jacks on everything I grow in soil. Forget about big bud and bud candy, they have nothing in them that your Jacks isnt already providing. Only thing I would suggest is that you look into there Citrus feed, I have never used it because I have a ton of the duo laying around but a lot of people are having great results with it. Jacks has everything you need other than no calcium and very little magnesium, ammend your soil with lime and your good to go. Dont even look at these threads if you are using Jacks in soil, people who use expensive synthetic nutes in soil are crazy.
Protekt is a great thing, but its also bullshit, its a simple salt, thats it, silica is the only additive I would suggest people use with every hydro line, its not that its cheaper to mix your own its the fact that all it is is potassium silicate and water with a Dynagro label so if you call ANs Rhino skin bull shit then you have to call Protekt bullshit also, Protekt is stronger than Rhino skin but not by much and they are the exact same thing, magpro and KLN are a complete joke. My point was that all manufacturers make bullshit products, AN doesnt own the market on bullshit, they simply give the sheep what they want. Sensi grow is hands down my favorite nute AN makes, I have yet to use Foliage pro but I have been meaning to, I honestly didnt expect the 2 1 ltr bottles of sensi grow to last so damn long but they did. Do you think Foliage pro as a 1 part in a perlite drain to waste scenario would be a good choice or would you stick with mixing grow/bloom? I used the grow/bloom a few years back, but not FP
chuck estevez
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that's why you came back and replied 3 times and edited the 2ncd one,LMFAO
chuck estevez
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In hempy, I believe HB showed that the combo would work better. The FP seems to work best with pro-mix. That combo is hard to beat.
homebrewer
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Protekt is about $50/gal and contains 7.8% silicon, Rhino skin is $85/gal and contains 0.15% silicon (http://www.advancednutrients.com/hydroponics/products/rhino_skin/rhino_skin_faq_nutrient_facts.php). Those products aren't even close in terms of concentration or value.
Magpro is a bloom booster of sorts and we all know this market loves their bloom boosters. It's about the same price as Koolbloom except magpro is four times more concentrated.
KLN is like $10 for a half pint. I use 1 tsp at cloning which means I'll probably never finish the bottle.
I do agree but at least DG gives you one of the best values around if you're in the market for the above products.
I'd go with foliage pro in perlite and while your Sensi might have lasted longer than you thought, it takes nearly 2mls from each part to equal 1ml of foliage Pro in terms of EC/ppm/gal. My money is on FP, no doubt.
justghost
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someone did recommend picking up Citrus feed in one of the other threads, which i plan on getting soon (prob for next grow).
i will be able to pick up a bag of some dolomite lime next week. thanks for the tip on that. i will just stick with Jack's all the way.
I love perlite hempy buckets for the simple fact that I never have bug issues, I might just say fuck it and give FP a whirl in pro mix after I finish this run, I've heard you say you run em 5-800ppm start to finish with no issues correct? I still want to run OC+ hempys and see how that works but I haven't for some reason, will soon I guess.
Yep, best thing you can do is avoid reading these threads, you have all you need.
chuck estevez
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Yeah, I can't tell you the last time I checked the ppm or PH. I just know how much to dump in my barrel. The best part is, I use the same mix for veg as I do for flower. i don't have to change or measure anything. I also just got a bag of the pro-mix HP cc and I think It may be better than the BX. I just started running it, so no results yet, I tried the FP in sunshine #4 and the results were obvious. Pro mix hands down.
The HP cc is actually the one I was thinking about using anyways, sounds good
Do you/have you run silica with the FP in pro mix? I have honestly never run pro mix. I've run aero, dwc, hempy, soil with Jack's and soil with teas but never pro mix. Any tips I might find useful?
BROBIE
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AN Rhino is such a diluted rip-off Jbone. It has only a fraction of the silicate you are after compared to Pro-Tekt or Humboldts S.I..
The reason they offer it is to satisfy those who want the AN line of silicate to keep under the PH-Perfect compatability umbrella. The only way to offer it in a 2ml/l dilution is to water it down so much that the dosage won't effect the PH. Could you imaging what 2ml/l of pro-Tekt will do to the PH? look out !!
FP in PRO-MIX for VEG is damn good. I'm with you on the Sensi, but I use it in bloom. Never had any cal/mag or any other issue with this scenario. No, I don't have 30 uniiversity studies supporting the other ingredients Sensi bloom provides but I like the product for what it delivers.
chuck estevez
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No, not any silica, I have this product called thundergro http://thundergro.com/for/organic-fertilizer/
a buddy of mine's friend is the creator, i really couldn't tell you what effects it has(if any) But the dude is a total hippie and believes in all that good vibe stuff, so I have been using it.