Help Prevent Me From Dying

clarksmoke · Jul 6, 2008

This is my first grow. Im using 2 sets of 4 foot flouresents. Plants are bagseed growing in scotts soil.They vegged for 3 months drinking evey other day feeding every other time I watered. Feed during veg was Schultz 10-15-10. I switched to 12/12 three weeks ago and after a week fed them Expert Gardener Bloom Burst 10-52-10. Ph is 6.5,tops are 3 inches from lights. Last Wednesday this plant started having yellowing leaves so i only watered. Now it looks like this and I dont want the other 5 to end up this way. Some are starting to have yellow spots.http://i308.photobucket.com/albums/kk342/clark5001/plants%2008/plants08002.jpg
http://i308.photobucket.com/albums/kk342/clark5001/plants 08/plants08001.jpg
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humble learner · Jul 6, 2008

QUIT WATERING & FEEDING....let the soil dry up a bit, i'd say don't water it for 5-7 days, then give it some pure water(1/4 gallon0.

humble learner · Jul 6, 2008

I could be wrong but it *sounds like over-watering...kinda looks it as well

clarksmoke · Jul 6, 2008

Im using the same watering scedule that i did while vegging. I didnt have problems then.

humble learner · Jul 6, 2008

You really water every other day? In a 5 gallon bucket I couldn't water every 3 days without over-watering.

I'd suggest stop feeding it nutes for a week and cut back on the watering schedule until growth speeds up and more flowers start appearing.

On second thought it does resemble chemical burn, are the dead parts of the leaf flaky and brown?

clarksmoke · Jul 6, 2008

yes they are only on one plant, the others are fine except some small yellow spots on the tips of the fan leaves.

clarksmoke · Jul 6, 2008

the pot has good drainage and i use a moisture meter to make sure they need watering. thanks for the advice.

humble learner · Jul 6, 2008

No problem, it seems like chem -burn or over-watering......over-watering is harder to fix then under-watering(keep that in mind)...you really shouldn't have to water unless the top two inches of soil are dry.

As far as the nute burn, don't use any more nutes for about a week or until the plant looks better. Also, next time you feed....you might want to use considerably less nutes then you have been and gradually increase them.

Don't feed them as often as you are....switch to 1 feeding every 3 waterings, or like I said just use alot less when you do feed em.

caliboy80 · Jul 6, 2008

your saying that plant has been growing for 3 months and 3 weeks?

u dont have enough light, it does not look like it has started to bud

do u know the sex?

caliboy80 · Jul 6, 2008

"Feed during veg was Schultz 10-15-10. I switched to 12/12 three weeks ago"

this olso is a flowering npk i think

mockingbird131313 · Jul 6, 2008

clarksmoke said:
This is my first grow. Im using 2 sets of 4 foot flouresents. Plants are bagseed growing in scotts soil.They vegged for 3 months drinking evey other day feeding every other time I watered. Feed during veg was Schultz 10-15-10. I switched to 12/12 three weeks ago and after a week fed them Expert Gardener Bloom Burst 10-52-10. Ph is 6.5,tops are 3 inches from lights. Last Wednesday this plant started having yellowing leaves so i only watered. Now it looks like this and I dont want the other 5 to end up this way. Some are starting to have yellow spots.http://i308.photobucket.com/albums/kk342/clark5001/plants 08/plants08002.jpg
http://i308.photobucket.com/albums/kk342/clark5001/plants 08/plants08001.jpg
http://i308.photobucket.com/albums/kk342/clark5001/plants 08/plants08003.jpg

I think there are two mistakes here. First, if I read you post correctly, you have 4 T-12 bulbs for six plants. You need twice that much light. Secondly, 10-52-10 is NOT a good mix for you. I use Mircle-Gro Azalea food, which is for acid loving plants. It is 30-10-10. I am sure this will give you much better results.

So you are overwatering and misfeeding because you do not have enough light to metabolize the nuetrients.

clarksmoke · Jul 8, 2008

Thanks for all the input and info to all who responded. As of yesterday, I added 6 -26 watt cfls adding 10500 lumens,hopefuly fixing the lack of light problem. Ive also laid off of watering and feeeding for a couple of days, gonna research some better nutes.

SquirrelGod · Jul 8, 2008

clarksmoke said:
Thanks for all the input and info to all who responded. As of yesterday, I added 6 -26 watt cfls adding 10500 lumens,hopefuly fixing the lack of light problem. Ive also laid off of watering and feeeding for a couple of days, gonna research some better nutes.

just make some organic compost tea...

clarksmoke · Jul 8, 2008

Adding the 6-26 watt cfls added about 15 degrees to the temp. Gonna add more fans , any ideas on how many? Temp went from 85 degrees up to 100 as of this morning.

mockingbird131313 · Jul 8, 2008

clarksmoke said:
Adding the 6-26 watt cfls added about 15 degrees to the temp. Gonna add more fans , any ideas on how many? Temp went from 85 degrees up to 100 as of this morning.

At 85 deg F the plants stop functioning. At 90 deg F the plants start to die.

Get your temp to 80 deg F or lower.

speedhabit · Jul 8, 2008

mockingbird131313 said:
At 85 deg F the plants stop functioning. At 90 deg F the plants start to die.

Get your temp to 80 deg F or lower.

Based on what exactly?

This def isnt true, Though hot growing is not going to be great for your plants, especially little ones, mature plants can easily tolerate mid-high 90s, even my clones do well in 88-90 degree heat. You just need to manage your watering.

anyway..

I would hang your CFLS around your plant and put a fan right on them. Consider using beer cans or pop cans to make cheap reflectors for your cfls and maybe help the heat dissipate a little. A small oscillating fan can really move some air past your plant and easily keep it more or less ambient temp.

You need to seriously amp up the light, maybe double the cfls you have. Plants use light to consume nutrients they absorb through the soil, this allows them to grow and attempt to reproduce. You were providing massive amounts of nutrients but no light. These nutrient are sitting unused in you soil building up toxic levels of salt. Pot, especially in soil, does not need much in the way of nutrients, its not uncommon for a plant in a good sized pot to go though its entire vegging period without any additional nutes.

Your trying to do so much, you need to chill and take a step back. Adress your most pressing concern, lighting.

clarksmoke · Jul 8, 2008

Once again thanks to all for all of the great feed back. Here are some pics of my set up. I replaced one of the 4 foot flouros with a 2 foot single tube flouro, both are puting out the red spectrum. With the 6 -26 watt cfls I added last night I added another 4" high velosity fan. The box is 40" long 24" wide and 30" deep. Its heavy duty cardboard and the white material is a drop cloth, it has a shiny reflective plastic side.The plants look to be doing better any other suggestions will be appreciated. :peace:

mockingbird131313 · Jul 8, 2008

speedhabit said:
Based on what exactly?

This def isnt true, Though hot growing is not going to be great for your plants, especially little ones, mature plants can easily tolerate mid-high 90s, even my clones do well in 88-90 degree heat. You just need to manage your watering.

anyway..

I would hang your CFLS around your plant and put a fan right on them. Consider using beer cans or pop cans to make cheap reflectors for your cfls and maybe help the heat dissipate a little. A small oscillating fan can really move some air past your plant and easily keep it more or less ambient temp.

You need to seriously amp up the light, maybe double the cfls you have. Plants use light to consume nutrients they absorb through the soil, this allows them to grow and attempt to reproduce. You were providing massive amounts of nutrients but no light. These nutrient are sitting unused in you soil building up toxic levels of salt. Pot, especially in soil, does not need much in the way of nutrients, its not uncommon for a plant in a good sized pot to go though its entire vegging period without any additional nutes.

Your trying to do so much, you need to chill and take a step back. Adress your most pressing concern, lighting.

Based on experience!
It is true that some strains tolerate more stress than others, but the writer ask for a specific kind of help. How much heat could be tolerated? I answered that question with a fair general answer.

Furthermore, cannabis will deplete the soil and a low level of added nutrient is advisable. As for lights, the writer now has about 20,000 lumens distributed over 4 square feet. Or 5000 lumens/ft2. In other words, he has closely equalled the outdoor average light the plant would normally receive. So his light is probably adequate for now.

So I suggest you to, that you get your scissors and some beer cans and cut some more reflectors. In fact make a hat out of them and receive solar radiation. Your brain could use the help.

speedhabit · Jul 9, 2008

mockingbird131313 said:
Based on experience!
It is true that some strains tolerate more stress than others, but the writer ask for a specific kind of help. How much heat could be tolerated? I answered that question with a fair general answer.

Furthermore, cannabis will deplete the soil and a low level of added nutrient is advisable. As for lights, the writer now has about 20,000 lumens distributed over 4 square feet. Or 5000 lumens/ft2. In other words, he has closely equalled the outdoor average light the plant would normally receive. So his light is probably adequate for now.

So I suggest you to, that you get your scissors and some beer cans and cut some more reflectors. In fact make a hat out of them and receive solar radiation. Your brain could use the help.

Ok, I don't feel that I was that insulting to you, but I felt hurt frankly by what you replied. If I had known that questioning your moronic growing rules was going to cause this sort of backlash I would have never said "Based on what" and caused the kind of pain I am feeling on another person. For that I sincerely apologize but let me sort out some facts first.

Fair general answer. Your fair general answer was " At 85 deg F the plants stop functioning. At 90 deg F the plants start to die.
Ill admit my brain isn't as strong because I actually smoke what I grow but in my experience 85 is fine, furthermore, for shit loads of indoor growers every degree that comes off ambient temperature costs money and setup work. What is ideal is not what must happen, suggest all you want but you are making hard and fast rules, not fair and general assessments.

Telling someone that doesn't know how to grow, as opposed to me and...you I guess; that he must not let his temp venture into the 80s (possibly unrealistic)can get him to spend a lot of money he wouldn't otherwise. What really drew me to respond to you is that you spoke in such absolutes, I couldn't stand it. A guy taking that advice could kill himself trying to keep an indoor grow room under 80 in the summer, and I think this chap is growing in a damn shed.

And saying cannabis depletes the soil is true, but cannabis will deplete the soil and a low level of added nutrient is advisable shows a complete ignorance of this guys whole situation. He has had no light and has been drowning the plant in fertilizer, he doesn't know the basics of plant nutrition and as such should take advantages of soil. It can go long periods without nutes and still gives cannabis all the nutes it can handle. Newbies tend to drown shit in nutes, you don't NEED them, especially if your plants are so small. Better to skip the whole issue and just use a High quality organic soil that will provide nutes throughout the veg stage, replant for flowering. KEEP IT SIMPLE STUPID.

You say he has enough light, He has 6 CFLs in regular fixtures, not properly strung around the plants (not crucial just not as good as it could be) and two small t12 flouros that are too far away. Dont estimate the lumens because its beyond you, show me a light meter when you bitch buzz words like lumens.

As for your retarded rant about how I lack intelligence, the tin can reflectors for CFLs are VERY effective and FREE. Which is important to growers who are on a budget (and growing with CFLs). Ill give you one shred of credit old man, your cfls are set up very well but his aren't.

Solar radiation can cause skin cancer in humans, you should upgrade your brain to the new century. Now go drive some nails through those sweet plants of yours.

Sorry to hijack, I started this sober but now im stoned and dont care anymore. :hug:

mockingbird131313 · Jul 9, 2008

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I guess this is an example of what happens when you smoke too much pot and mix in other drugs as well.

All the points I made, were valid.

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