Removing fan leaves during flowering

neo12345

neo12345

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the church man said:
Omg this thread has suddenly become productive, what a wonderful thing!

Good job everyone!
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This could have been a great thread, but it's already ruined by the first 30 pages being littered with garbage. I'm sure the people who have done this know that already though!
 
BenFranklin

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Maybe it's just me, but, it looks like some of your side "kola's" are bigger or about the same size as your "popsicle kolas" and your "main kola", looks like it's MUCH(2 - 4x) bigger than your "popsicle kola's"....
 
sensimilla86

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i would say that this thread has had some affect on how feel about defoliating. Those leaves covering lower internodes have been trimmed back in the past but between the data posted and other searches i have done would say that im just gonna leave them alone for the rest of my grow and not touch them at all in the next one.
 
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joe macclennan

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colonuggs said:
you mean like this......bud size is strain/genetically related dude....but if you look at the main bud here....there are hardly any leaves :) just huge buds

my pre8 bubba..... will never get huge buds....strain genetics wont allow it



Defoliation is also strain related.....some strains respond better to it
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some people say that ogk can't produce huge colas either....they would be wrong.

but nice plant there for realz
 
Growan

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the church man said:
Defoliating seems like it redirects vegetative growth to the nodes and branch tips, to where there is active growing taking place. Instead of putting energy into making new leaves why not just increase the size of the leaves that are already being produced in veg?

Let me know if that makes sense or I need to reword, reapproach.

Thanks
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This is the bit I'm not quite on board with. Neo just said that defoliating has the plant go nuts throwing out leave with seemingly exponential vigor, ready fir a second defoliate days later? Maybe just varying results. Some plants enlarge existing foliage, some create new?

I know what you mean about not reducing light, and allowing light further down to be utilised. To me though, it doesn't seem illogical that by removing a percentage of foliage the plant is experiencing a net loss of light, so produces more folliage to compensate, and maybe in the interim period, as in the case of Plant Red (referenced in legendary post (or paper) #175) has a little stretch to reach the light better. Perhaps the little stretch is irrelevant, if the effect even occurs. Either way, the whole point of a veg cycle is to grow leaves. having said that, if I can reference '12/12 from seed' as a technique, maybe leaves ain't that big a deal?!?

That was a confusing jumbled post, what what? :P
 
colonuggs

colonuggs

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Defoliation is strain related.....some respond to it better...some don't need it like this Lemon Skunk.

Experiment with your cut of the strain you have to see how it preforms





 
Growan

Growan

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sensimilla86 said:
i would say that this thread has had some affect on how feel about defoliating. Those leaves covering lower internodes have been trimmed back in the past but between the data posted and other searches i have done would say that im just gonna leave them alone for the rest of my grow and not touch them at all in the next one.
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Defolihater. :D
 
the church man

the church man

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Growan said:
This is the bit I'm not quite on board with. Neo just said that defoliating has the plant go nuts throwing out leave with seemingly exponential vigor, ready fir a second defoliate days later? Maybe just varying results. Some plants enlarge existing foliage, some create new?

I know what you mean about not reducing light, and allowing light further down to be utilised. To me though, it doesn't seem illogical that by removing a percentage of foliage the plant is experiencing a net loss of light, so produces more folliage to compensate, and maybe in the interim period, as in the case of Plant Red (referenced in legendary post (or paper) #175) has a little stretch to reach the light better. Perhaps the little stretch is irrelevant, if the effect even occurs. Either way, the whole point of a veg cycle is to grow leaves. having said that, if I can reference '12/12 from seed' as a technique, maybe leaves ain't that big a deal?!?

That was a confusing jumbled post, what what? :P
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I think the idea is that defoliating is actually stimulating growth. So when done in veg, it stimulates the vegetative growth already occurring. When utilized in flower, after the stretch, it will stimulate bud production because that's what's growing.

I think the plants, if defoliated in veg, will beef up leaf production in existing leaves, IE those not pulled yet. Then it will allocate resources to regenerate the leaves lost.

And yes, I think that stretch is irrelevant. If it was two unmolested clones, that difference in height between those particular plants would be unremarkable.

Edit: I think that there is a period of adjustment for the plant, but I'm not convinced that this actually shocks or retards them in anyway. More research needed
 
the church man

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Also, a distinction needs to be made between pruning and defoliating. We're not talking about trimming/pruning a leaf. We are talking about aggressive removal of foliage, on a mass scale.
 
the church man

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I think maybe a journal started by a brave soul would help in this forum.

Journals can only be posted in by the OP, unless others are invited to post, correct?

Maybe a defoliated grow, with proper method and good record keeping and no one posting in the thread but the OP would help us all out.

I mean seriously, even if it debunked defoliation I'd support it. If its methodical, I like it.
 
Growan

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Well fuck it. No one's gonna get to the bottom of it if nobody ever does it and just debates it. I'm a fucking scientist. Look at my smug face and pipe.

I've got a canopy full of buds 3 weeks into flower in my scrog. I recon I can spare a couple of heads fir the sake of science. BUT.... is it a pointless experiment as it's only one or 2 out of say 25 odd sites on the plan? I personally believe the plant uses it's energy throughout, and that's why I've never trimmed to get light to a bud. Admittedly only outdoor growing experience.
It wouldn't really be a fair test unless I stripped a whole plant back, would it?
 
the church man

the church man

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What is your set up?

I think it would make the most sense for someone who has their grow dialed in to try this. As in, someone who knows what their yield is every time , someone who is intimately familiar with their genetics...

Is that you?

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the church man

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Also, from what I've seen, defoliating typically causes the lower buds to rise and compete with the main cola, such that no bud is ever dominate and they're all bigger.
YMMV
 
Growan

Growan

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the church man said:
What is your set up?

I think it would make the most sense for someone who has their grow dialed in to try this. As in, someone who knows what their yield is every time , someone who is intimately familiar with their genetics...

Is that you?

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Ha! Fuck no. I ain't that guy! I've done 3 big ass outdoor grows using my own brains and a little knowledge. First one pulled 4+kg. The other 2, less. Go figure.

This setup is Scrogging 6 plants, 2 strains under a 1x1m screen in a 1.2x1.2m tent. 600w hps running at 660w now on maxibtight digi ballast. Vegged with 400w bulb, started dimmed to 250w then crept up till I was giving them full blast switching to 600w bulb about 2 weeks before flowering.
Cheap garden center compost, no additives, miracle grow multi purpose feed for veg, now phostrogen supplimented with a little sulphate of potash for flower.
I ain't the ideal candidate! I tell you what though. I got some sort of canopy in that tent! I'd spare a branch or 2 to compare to the others, but I'm not gonna defoliate a whole plant this time round. maybe next time, nut I'm still gonna be a noob grower for some time yet...
 

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