Greenleaf Medicinals - Latest Approved LP

[GreenleafMeds]

WOW talk about walking into the lions den...you walked right into the mount of the lion! Lol I will give you kudos for being the only LP so far to address any of the concerns that patients have. I think I may have confused you with another LP when I made the statement concerning varying prices for different strains- my apologies. What are you? Are you a patient? Just a business person? How big is your facility? Are you nuking my meds? I'll be nice...you have to realize that price is the primary barrier to people like me with big scripts. There is no way I will be able to afford to pay anyone for the amount I need. I do not have and will probably never have a disposable $27,000 /yr just laying around to buy medicine. Now if someone else wants to pay for it say, WCB, then I'm in, only because my spouse can hardly wait for my grow box to be out of the house. I'm sure you understand that growing, for some, is very therapeutic, me included. I'm also sure that you understand that the most seriously ill people don't have a lot of income. So in my estimation, you will need legalization going forward. So having said that, I choose my meds based on effect, but I am controlled by cost.

We understand that price is a major barrier for people with low income or large prescriptions. We get a lot of requests for low income subsidies, which is something we have been talking about implementing in the near future. That being said, we don't have anything in place at the moment, but our prices are some of the lowest out there at the moment, and we expect they will drop as more competition comes online and as the industry becomes better capitalized.

 

[GreenleafMeds]

I realize there are huge costs involved. I own a biz and have employees and pay that dick in Ottawa tons of taxes. I make pretty good money am not on disability, mostly because I have great staff and have been able to stay off the opioids my doc is more than happy to dish out.
the high prices are not your fault. Blame Dick Harper once again forcing you guys indoor, no medibles, no hash, no juice, no oils, no tinctures, no REAL MEDICINE!
its unrealistic to think anyone can afford $27000 a year to medicate with a herb

Yes, unfortunately we cannot sell derivatives like oils, hash, and tinctures. If the laws change though, it's something we would offer right away.

 

[GreenleafMeds]

Any relation to the clinic ?

We've been getting that question a lot, and the answer is no. We were unaware of the Greenleaf Medical Clinic when our designer created our website's theme. I admit, there is some distinct similarities between the websites and the logo. We're actually considering re-branding ourselves as a result.

 

[R.Raider]

We've been getting that question a lot, and the answer is no. We were unaware of the Greenleaf Medical Clinic when our designer created our website's theme. I admit, there is some distinct similarities between the websites and the logo. We're actually considering re-branding ourselves as a result.

Oh really? I thought you guys were actually the same place. Sounded like a genius business move, prescribe people weed, then sell them your product lol.

 

[GreenleafMeds]

Thanks for the clarification looks like health Canada is on the ball with LPs as much as they are with patients. All the best and goodluck, I hope you last till we are able to move to the recreational use phase.

I do have one question which was the main stumbling block to me: if the medical community in Canada has objected to health canadas reform of this program wouldn't that be the main barrier of entry in terms of this being a viable business in the short term.

Now I don't know your financials and you may well have a reserve fund to cover the first 2 years as I don't expect this to improve until after the 2015 elections where there is reform to this program again.

When I did my business case I had all my costs to around 3-5 a gram but was scared off by this and couldn't justify spending every month hoping doctors will approve faster.

Technically my plan has been to sit on the side lines till 2015 then come in and under cut the market and make a pure not for profit system.

Hi german1,
I would be lying if I said that the February 21st ruling didn't affect our business, obviously that change is going to have an impact on the number of customers who are inclined to sign up with a Licensed Producer. Business will definitely be harder in the short term but statistics have indicated that there are still a large group of people who don't grow their own medicine despite the fact that they might be legally allowed to do so. We think that the Feb 21 ruling is good for the majority of medical marijuana users so we applaud the decision and will strive to meet the needs of the customers who remain.
We a small, BC based company, and unfortunately we don't have a lot of capital reserves to ride this out and build our business slowly over the course of 5 years. This ruling might be enough to wipe us out but we hope not. We hope that our combination of strain variety, high quality, and lower prices will still attract enough patients to keep us in the Black. We've still had five new customers sign up since Friday, so we have our fingers crossed.

 

[GreenleafMeds]

Wow, Greenleaf themselves jumping in on this thread, nice to see. Hope everyone keeps things constructive and civil.

Thank you Raider,
Ask me anything, I will answer any and all questions provided it doesn't violate my NDA.

 

[GrowRock]

So you are telling me a patient that is ingesting the best top of the line medicine right now for a 1$ a gram....... Should have to take the garbage bunk for the same price.... And you think you have any kind of Idea about a business it makes me laugh....all best karma's a bitch

 

[gb123]

Yes, unfortunately we cannot sell derivatives like oils, hash, and tinctures. If the laws change though, it's something we would offer right away.

That right there is a problem!! For YOU!
Only because patients can make for themselves. What they do with their medication is up to them once they have it. Making a concentrate out of your self made medication is what it is all about after all. Making the best medication you can take in the ways in which you want to medicate.

Having to buy something off of an LP for 10 times the price or just 'more' is well, craziness!!!!?????
Not to mention that we'd have to destroy our medication that we were allowed to grow FIRST and then buy the same amount(not same quality or strain) off of an LP.
I'm sure you see the backassward ideals there too.
Lots of BS on both sides of the fence and I wish you only the best. Unless you end up fucking patients, then you can pppppphhhhhtttttt. Just Business!

lol



.50 cents/gram for something that could be made into good meds that are illegal. How sad is that.
I think one of the LP's already sell their trim to patients and their bud to the black market lol They only show crumbs for med pictures...kinda scary.

 

[leaffan]

We've been getting that question a lot, and the answer is no. We were unaware of the Greenleaf Medical Clinic when our designer created our website's theme. I admit, there is some distinct similarities between the websites and the logo. We're actually considering re-branding ourselves as a result.

I don't blame you for considering re-branding. Perception is reality.
You don't have enough posts for a PM, if you are interested in looking at a great name and domain feel free to contact myself at [email protected]

 

[GrowRock]

Still no answer... I thought you we're here to answer patients questions????? Then why have you decided to turn a cold shoulder to my questions???? when you know there is no good answer.... LP recreational market totally is what needs to happen so patients and LP's are not screwed.... Please I would really like to hear your opinion because if we quit listening we quit learning!!!! (what hitler and HC have done) peace my friend

 

[GreenleafMeds]

Still no answer... I thought you we're here to answer patients questions????? Then why have you decided to turn a cold shoulder to my questions???? when you know there is no good answer.... LP recreational market totally is what needs to happen so patients and LP's are not screwed.... Please I would really like to hear your opinion because if we quit listening we quit learning!!!! (what hitler and HC have done) peace my friend

Hi again, sorry for the delayed response. I realize that buying marijuana from a Licensed Producer will be more expensive than it would be to produce it yourself, but we have to comply with a whole host of regulations that make production more expensive and time consuming. As I stated in one of my previous posts, we believe that, over time, market forces will drive down the price of medical marijuana purchased from Licensed Producers.
The way Health Canada has set up the rules we are allowed to produce as much as we want and in any fashion we deem effective so long as we have enough registered customers to buy it all. That type of rule is going to lead to intense competition for customers between the Licensed Producers which will lead to significant downward pressure on prices.

 

[GrowRock]

Now we are talking... Quick question have you talked to any hydro companies ask if they would like to donate power to cut costs which is a total right off to the power company... Or to Phillips to see if they would donate the lighting etc????? If we act civil we all can win against hitler and his band of no goods!!!

 

[GreenleafMeds]

That right there is a problem!! For YOU!
Only because patients can make for themselves. What they do with their medication is up to them once they have it. Making a concentrate out of your self made medication is what it is all about after all. Making the best medication you can take in the ways in which you want to medicate.

Having to buy something off of an LP for 10 times the price or just 'more' is well, craziness!!!!?????
Not to mention that we'd have to destroy our medication that we were allowed to grow FIRST and then buy the same amount(not same quality or strain) off of an LP.
I'm sure you see the backassward ideals there too.
Lots of BS on both sides of the fence and I wish you only the best. Unless you end up fucking patients, then you can pppppphhhhhtttttt. Just Business!

lol



.50 cents/gram for something that could be made into good meds that are illegal. How sad is that.
I think one of the LP's already sell their trim to patients and their bud to the black market lol They only show crumbs for med pictures...kinda scary.

We feel like that the lack of derivatives is a problem for a lot of people who want legal access to these products but are stuck buying them on the black market. Making products like oil and shatter, ect. takes time, and capital investment, and requires the use of solvents and a degree of knowledge. Making derivatives is not something that most people could easily or safely make at home, and it is unfortunate that Licensed Producers cannot supply that for them.

 

[GrowRock]

Than LP's can make money and sell certain patients their meds at 1 to 2$ a gram...just a question because even your transition option still leaves lower middle class patients with high scripts out.. There are still lots of other kinks like juicing and strains.... So please anyone with actual opinions please answer no more 6 year old this and spelling math that... Cause truth be told I need this medicine and so do a lot of other patients!!! peace

 

[WHATFG]

Hi again, sorry for the delayed response. I realize that buying marijuana from a Licensed Producer will be more expensive than it would be to produce it yourself, but we have to comply with a whole host of regulations that make production more expensive and time consuming. As I stated in one of my previous posts, we believe that, over time, market forces will drive down the price of medical marijuana purchased from Licensed Producers.
The way Health Canada has set up the rules we are allowed to produce as much as we want and in any fashion we deem effective so long as we have enough registered customers to buy it all. That type of rule is going to lead to intense competition for customers between the Licensed Producers which will lead to significant downward pressure on prices.

Isn't that going to be a fine balancing act in that you can't really grow in anticipation of customers, but you obviously can't stockpile either? I for one am all to aware that patience is key to growing. The minute you put out a sub par product...you're done. And since you are small ( although I still don't know how you define that) that could be problematic couldn't it? I think you will find that people will be more willing to deal with a small outfit rather than a large one. If and when I have to go the LP route, I'll be going for the smallest because I don't want to be a just another number in someone's books.

 

[GreenleafMeds]

Now we are talking... Quick question have you talked to any hydro companies ask if they would like to donate power to cut costs which is a total right off to the power company... Or to Phillips to see if they would donate the lighting etc????? If we act civil we all can win against hitler and his band of no goods!!!

Heh, somehow I doubt that BC hydro is interested in donating electricity to Greenleaf Medicinals, but I get your point.
The simple fact is that, just like anything else, it takes money to produce marijuana. We need to buy electricity and equipment and pay people to grow it and trim it and distribute it. Everyone has to make a living, and people are used to having to pay for their medicine. Even growing marijuana at home, doing all the labor yourself, there are still costs associated with it's production. It's really the price that it gets sold at that is up for debate, and that will be brought down over time by competition.

 

[GreenleafMeds]

Than LP's can make money and sell certain patients their meds at 1 to 2$ a gram...just a question because even your transition option still leaves lower middle class patients with high scripts out.. There are still lots of other kinks like juicing and strains.... So please anyone with actual opinions please answer no more 6 year old this and spelling math that... Cause truth be told I need this medicine and so do a lot of other patients!!! peace

Juicing is definitely not something an LP can supply. The regulations limit us to dried marijuana only.

 

[GrowRock]

Never mind you my friend are a recreational LP cause I gave you a valid option to lower cost and you went back to CAPTIN OBVIOUS

 

[GreenleafMeds]

Isn't that going to be a fine balancing act in that you can't really grow in anticipation of customers, but you obviously can't stockpile either? I for one am all to aware that patience is key to growing. The minute you put out a sub par product...you're done. And since you are small ( although I still don't know how you define that) that could be problematic couldn't it? I think you will find that people will be more willing to deal with a small outfit rather than a large one. If and when I have to go the LP route, I'll be going for the smallest because I don't want to be a just another number in someone's books.

We can grow in anticipation, and we can stockpile. The stockpile limit is set by the government and is based on the security level you build to. Level 7 allows for around 100KG in storage, and level 11 allows for over 10,000kgs.
We are small in comparison to the other organizations that have emerged, or are coming online shortly. (tweed 500k sqft, Tilray 70,000sqft, Medijean 500k sqft, ect.)
Being small doesn't mean we're going to put out a bad product, only that we have limits on the number of customers who can sign up with us initially.

 

[GreenleafMeds]

Never mind you my friend are a recreational LP cause I gave you a valid option to lower cost and you went back to CAPTIN OBVIOUS

I'm not sure what you mean. What option?