Best advice for germinating/sprouting seeds

Squidbilly

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This of course is just my humble opinion but the method below I feel needs to be shared with everyone who is starting to grow from seed, especially those of us who are maybe doing if for the first time.

There is so much conflicting info about what the best method is for germinating/sprouting seeds. Believe me, I tried almost EVERY method, and killed many seeds/seedlings in the process.

I won't talk too much about other methods but I will say this; If you are a new grower, please don't use the paper towel method! It's just not needed and will only slow things down and might lead to the possibility of you damaging the tap root when you place it in a medium.

Here is the method:

-Tray
-2" Humidity dome
-Root Riot(or other starter plug)tray insert
-Root Riot(or other starter plug)
-Heat Mat(they sell these specifically for doing this, they are the same size as the tray so they fit perfectly underneath and heat it evenly)

Step 1:

Straighten a paper clip, take a plug, and stick the paper clip down through the center, presumably in the direction the tap root wants to travel

Step 2:

Take your plug and squeeze it in water that has a ph between 5.5-6.0 so the plug absorbs the water. Take it out of the water and squeeze the excess water out of the plug. You should be able to squeeze the plug firmly and just see water emerge from the surface.

Step 3:

You should never handle your seeds with your hands, but it's not a huge deal if you do. I think it's easier to use tweezers anyway.
Take your seeds pointed end down and place them about an 1/8-1/4 inch below the surface.

Step 4:

Place plugs in their insert, in the tray. I like to put a little thermometer and hydrometer in there(you can get a pair of the two for a lizard tank at pet smart). Then I mist the dome, put it on and place the whole thing on top of the heat mat. They sell heat mats that are adjustable, but the cheaper ones that aren't work just as well, also a good reason to keep a thermometer in there.

Step 5:

Put a shop light, T5, or CFL 2"-12" above your propagator and leave the lights on for 20hrs and off for 4(you can also use 24/0 or 18/6, I like 20/4) Once seeds break the surface, get them as close as possible without burning them. I usually put my T5 fixture nearly ontop of my humidity dome.

Now you just need to check on your plugs once or twice a day to make sure they don't completely dry out. If they are almost completely dry, just dunk them HALFWAY into a cup of ph 5.5-6.0 water. Literally, dunk them for a second, and place them back in the heater propagator. Repeat this process until you have a healthy tap root emerging from the bottom of the plug and a nice little sprout emerging from the surface.

Here's a good rule of thumb for the germinating/sprouting environment:

75-85 degrees 75-85% Realitive Humidity. Keep it in that range and your golden! It's really easy to do that using this method!

If the realitive humidity in your veg area is above 50%, you can take the dome off once you have a healthy sprout. If it's below 50%, slowly remove the dome over a couple days to acclimate it to the lower humidity levels.

The dome should only be used to sprout your seeds.

I usually have a tap root emerging from the plug in 2-3days, a healthy sprout in 3-5 days, and my dome is off no later then a week from planting the seed if your wondering how things should be progressing.

After you have the dome off, and a tap root coming out of the bottom of the plug, it's time to tansplant into your prefered medium. The root riots and be transplanted in soil or hydro, no problem.

LEARN FROM MY MISTAKES! This has been the easiest and most effective method for me, and probably one of the best tools for growing. You might as well buy a 7" dome while your at it. This exact same set up is great for taking clones when used with the 7" dome.

So for $50.00 you have a heated propagator for starting seeds and taking clones. No need for an expensive clone machine or another set up just for clones!
 

Popcorn900

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Through the beans in a cup of ph water for 24 hrs or until the beans crack then put them in dirt or rockwool or whatever. I have had a 100% success rate this way.
 

TexasHank

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Try this one...

fill a 4 inch pot with coco, lightwarrior (seed starter), or compost...
water the media with distilled water (or just tap)...
push the seed down no more than 1/4 in...
cover the seed with the media...
forget about it for 1 week..

this one has worked for me for a long time... soaking in water for a day speeds things up though..
Cannabis seeds are some of the easiest seeds to sprout.. no need to complicate things...
 

TexasHank

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I've been seeing a lot of folks using humidity domes for growing seeds.. what is the purpose?

Is it because you are transplanting to a hydro system and you wish to use a very quick drying starter plug (like root riot or peat pucks)?
 

Squidbilly

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Here are some pictures of my method in action. These were put in their cubes and in the propagator late Friday after noon(check my journal). That's less then 3 days progress and they have a long tap root and have all emerged looking very healthy. The methods mentioned above are all tried and true, I just don't think you can beat the heated propagator for simplicity and results. Once you have the set up all you have to do is stick your seed in the plug and put in propagator, 3 days later....I think the results speak for themselves.

My beef with rockwool is that it's hard for a newer grower to judge when to water it again. The forums are literally filled with people struggling to germ/sprout using them, or having issues with damping off(I know it's grower error and many people use them with success).

As far as leaving it for a week? You should have a well established seedlings by then. I'm not sure how sound advice that is to "set it and forget it" for a week.
 

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Squidbilly

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The humidity dome helps keep humidity up until the seeds sprout. They like over 70%RH and it shouldn't be that high in your veg space. They are not needed, but in my experience a heat mat and humidity dome take DAYS off germ/sprout time.
 

Squidbilly

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I also don't see how this is complicated? Not to mention if you buy a 7" humidity dome you'll have the whole set up for cloning(literally almost the same exact process, take cut, dip in hormone(or don't), put in root riot, right into heated propagator).

Once you have the set up you just put the seed in the root riot plug and place in propagator. Doesn't get much simpler then that.

This is hands down the easiest way to control/monitor their environment, keep it stable, and produce results.

I can say with confidence this method will produce results as fast, if not much faster, then any other method. It works wonders for me.

If I was growing in soil I was put them in dixie cups with a starter mix and still place in heated propagator. At a minimum I would place a heat mat underneath them. That is proven to make seeds and clones root faster.
 

Sweeve

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well i can cut my lawn with scissors but then again if a mower gets the same result who cares??? That has to be literally the MOST amount of work for seed germination i have ever heard of......this is supposed to be a 'learning tool'?????.....ok so before i do anything i need plugs, a dome, a heat mat, a therm, a hygrometer, tweezers and about 5 hrs of free time to set this.....do u sell this equipment and are trying to make a sales pitch??? i honestly do not know why you would recommend this method (im sure it works), when in reality all u need is a paper towel, misting bottle, and seeds........this is just ridiculous imo
 

Squidbilly

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DUDE paper towel again???? That method sucks dick and is TERRIBLE for a newbie!!! You need equipment to grow indoors. You can use this EXACT same set-up for cloning. I don't see how sticking a seed in a plug, and sticking it in your propagator is complicated.

Again, paper towel? Just cause that's always worked for you doesn't mean it's the best method. It required MORE WORK
 

Squidbilly

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Maybe i should of just said "Stick seed in root riot. Put heated propagator. Bang chest in accomplishment" Does that sound simplier for you?
 

Popcorn900

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well i can cut my lawn with scissors but then again if a mower gets the same result who cares??? That has to be literally the MOST amount of work for seed germination i have ever heard of......this is supposed to be a 'learning tool'?????.....ok so before i do anything i need plugs, a dome, a heat mat, a therm, a hygrometer, tweezers and about 5 hrs of free time to set this.....do u sell this equipment and are trying to make a sales pitch??? i honestly do not know why you would recommend this method (im sure it works), when in reality all u need is a paper towel, misting bottle, and seeds........this is just ridiculous imo
^^^^*LIKE*
Too bad the like button was gone, so I will do it manually. Best advice yet. Keep it simple OP and you won't run into problems.
 

TexasHank

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I'm not sure how sound advice that is to "set it and forget it" for a week.
Well.. when you use starter pucks you really complicate things... I would never sit and forget a starter puck for a week.. You would come back to a dry puck..
That is why I do not use starter pucks for seeds..

If you plant into a 4 in pot of soilless media.. your seeds will not need watered or anything for at least 1 wk..

No dome, no heat pad, no nothing.. just put the seed in starter mix, water it, then come back to seedlings...

When you use a puck.. just like a paper towel.. you run a high risk of damaging the tap root.. why bother? Even if you saved 5 days.. imo.. just too much hassle.

I'm not knocking your method.. it might be a tad complicated.. but, my method has worked for me with quite a few (humble) seeds..

I would call it sound advice..
2 Reasons why I would call it sound advice..

1.. I have done it many times
2.. It works

If you have found the opposite, then I am curious what went wrong..
 

TexasHank

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I didn't mean to knock your method.. you need tough skin on RIU.. haha.

I just offered a very simple yet totally adequate method.. that is all.
 

TexasHank

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I also don't see how this is complicated?
Nah.. I read it again.. you're right dude. The process isn't that complicated.. It's really just very detailed instructions. Calling it ridiculous is kinda harsh.. that wasn't me,

Still, I stand by the other things i said..

You can push a seed down 1/4in into peatmix/coco, water it, sit under a light, forget about it for a week. I know because I did it a lot with MJ seeds in the past and I do it all the time with hard shell seeds currently. (not growing mj these days).

Most of the time.. when someone does much of anything before that 1 wk mark they are "over caring" for them, imo, often doing harm.. I don't think that is the case for you. I can see you are doing very well with your method. Rep+

I don't like to have an exposed tap root, ever. 2 reasons..

1... Roots are EXTREMELY sensitive.. you only get one tap root (right?), i guess that is what the humidity dome is for then.. I prefer to just never expose it all.
I do not like pucks for the same reason that I do not like the P Towel method... unnecessary exposure of the tap root

2... Low return on hourly investment.

These days.. I am all about cost/benefit analysis.. or, thinking about the return on hourly/labor investment.

For me, shedding even 1 full week of grow time of a seedling is really not important.. getting 1 more hour to relax in a week is.
 

Squidbilly

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I tried to make them as detailed as possible for newbies. The reason I like this method for newer growers is that you CAN mist/lightly water almost everyday. In fact, you almost need to because they dry out kinda quickly.

I have problems NOT doing anything for a week, lol. When I tried other methods it was no doubt my fault they didn't work(i have used almost all of the methods with success though). I find rockwool very difficult for a first time grower to master(not to mention having to condition them etc.), and I find the paper towel method just adds another step where you could possibly damage the fragile tap root. I feel like using a paper towel is over complicating things and just adding another step. In fact if I could suggest one thing it would be to put seeds directly into a ANY medium.

The other main reason I like this method is because the set up serves a dual purpose-you can use it to germ/sprout seeds and if you buy a 7" dome you can use it to take clones.

So, they are hard to overwater(probably the biggest problem for newbies), you get a nice little set up for starting seeds and taking clones, and once you have the set up I feel like it's really simple.

It is definitely worth noting that you do have to check on them at least once a day to make sure they don't dry out!
 

Squidbilly

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I just didn't understand all the hate surrounding this thread or the idea that this was somehow more complicated/involved then other methods other then checking on them once a day. I am starting to understand that people are passionate(maybe nostalgic?) about their paper towels, lol.

Also, if your doing hydro then starting them in soil isn't really going to work out to well.
 

Dr. Who

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It's not hate Squidly. You show some intolerance for others liking their chosen method. They (as you) are simply sharing what works for them!
The point here is that people do what works best for THEM.
I do the paper towel in a tupperware on a seed mat (heat strip) and have ready to go popped seeds in 24hrs...works every time.
Your method works for you, that makes it good.........for you.
But really,,,,thanks for sharing what works for you. I'm sure someone having trouble may find this post and it may help them too! That's the point!

:peace:
 

urban1026835

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IME putting domes on seedlings is bad news, sure some may sprout but hell I have seen seeds growing up out of the drain in my sink before so that isn't saying much.

humidity domes+seedlings=dampening off IME
 

TexasHank

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IME putting domes on seedlings is bad news, sure some may sprout but hell I have seen seeds growing up out of the drain in my sink before so that isn't saying much.

humidity domes+seedlings=dampening off IME
i've found the best way to fight dampening off is..

1... keep room clean
2... keep fungus gnats in check

Fungo gnats spread pythium very quickly..
Some genetics fall to pythium easily while other, in the same conditions, are untouched..

I saw this with a group of two seeds growing together. 1 group all flopped over, the other was untouched.
 
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