US college professor demands imprisonment for climate-change deniers

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Wavels

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Hansen?
That is all you have?
Easy peasy to demonstrate the bogus and politically motivated junk science this Hansen dupe promulgates, he is a simple charlatan!
But alas, the mean waffle man must needs attend to a pressing real life engagement.
Ta ta for now.

Oh I guess that means Buck and Sky win by default.

This is fun.
 

UncleBuck

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Hansen?
That is all you have?
Easy peasy to demonstrate the bogus and politically motivated junk science this Hansen dupe promulgates, he is a simple charlatan!
But alas, the mean waffle man must needs attend to a pressing real life engagement.
Ta ta for now.

Oh I guess that means Buck and Sky win by default.

This is fun.
look at this junk science.



just look at it.

not even his critics say his body of work is at issue.

only the people citing the heartland institute (read: idiots like you) hate him, and it's only for how accurate he is.

enjoy engaging those men at the truck stop bathroom.
 

Dr Kynes

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Yet again, no evidence is acceptable. If it is half a degree, it must be background noise. If it is two degrees it must be an anomaly, if it is two and a half, it must be natural cycles. You seem to have proven my point. Nothing at all simple minded about asking you what it would take to convince you.
and you are missing the point by a mile.

IF the IPCC report is correct, then HALF the 2 degrees increase between 1890 and 1990 was caused by human activity, then...

WHERE DID THE OTHER HALF COME FROM???

since at least 50% of the warming was NATURAL (and the other 50% is attributed through shaky science and hyperbolic claims) then where is the crisis, and how do you propose to stop the warming which is NOT caused by man?

IF the IPCC is not full of shit, then all this screaming is over 1 degree F, over 100 years, which was matched by a cocurrent natural rise in temps.

IF the temps have been raising naturally, the presumably the temps will also DROP naturally, resulting in an ice age.

how do you propose to stave off the coming ice age, for the future children?
why do you hate children?
why arent you Thinking Of The Children?

or are you also a Glaciation Denier?
 

squarepush3r

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look at this junk science.



just look at it.

not even his critics say his body of work is at issue.

only the people citing the heartland institute (read: idiots like you) hate him, and it's only for how accurate he is.

enjoy engaging those men at the truck stop bathroom.
 

Wavels

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[h=1]Hansen – The Climate Chiropractor[/h]Need your climate adjusted? – call Dr. James Hansen at GISS. Below is a chronology of the destruction and politicization of the US and global temperature record. The Northern Hemisphere used to have a broken hockey stick problem. According to the National Academy Of Sciences in 1975, the hemisphere had cooled 0.7C since the 1930s, and was colder than it was at the turn of century.
www.sciencenews.org/view/download/id/37739/name/CHILLING_POSSIBILITIES
Dr. Hansen realized he had a problem when he took over – that data didn’t look anything like a hockey stick. So he fixed it! You can do such cool stuff when you are pushing an agenda, and you control the historical record.

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The figure below shows Hansen’s remarkable changes to the pre-1975 temperature data. He simply removed that pesky warm period from 1890 to 1940.
But that was just the beginning of Hansen’s history rewrite. He had another problem – the United States. Until the year 2000, the US temperature graph looked almost identical to the 1975 NAS Northern Hemisphere graph. fig1x.gif (500×182)
Overlay below.

Hansen’s problem was that he had fixed the data for the rest of the world, but the US data was still not looking like a hockey stick.
NASA GISS: Science Briefs: Whither U.S. Climate?
Phil Jones and NOAA had clearly stated that there was no warming in the US.
February 04, 1989 Last week, scientists from the United States Commerce Department’s National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration said that a study of temperature readings for the contiguous 48 states over the last century showed there had been no significant change in average temperature over that period. Dr. (Phil) Jones said in a telephone interview today that his own results for the 48 states agreed with those findings.Global Warmth In ’88 Is Found To Set a Record – New York Times
In 1999, Hansen himself said that he didn’t see anything happening in the US.
Empirical evidence does not lend much support to the notion that climate is headed precipitately toward more extreme heat and drought. The drought of 1999 covered a smaller area than the 1988 drought, when the Mississippi almost dried up. And 1988 was a temporary inconvenience as compared with repeated droughts during the 1930s “Dust Bowl” that caused an exodus from the prairies, as chronicled in Steinbeck’s Grapes of Wrath…..
in the U.S. there has been little temperature change in the past 50 years, the time of rapidly increasing greenhouse gases — in fact, there was a slight cooling throughout much of the country
NASA GISS: Science Briefs: Whither U.S. Climate?
Undaunted by reality, all the evidence, and millions of temperature records – in the year 2000 Dr. Hansen and Tom Karl at NOAA adjusted the US temperature record to make it look like Hansen’s already adjusted global temperature record.

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Below is an animation of their handiwork. 1934 was no longer the hottest year, and the 1930s was no longer the hottest decade. Hansen essentially erased the Dust Bowl.

Conclusion. US and global surface temperature records are so corrupted as to be meaningless. Below are some news stories from the 1930s. July of 1936 was the hottest month in US history. The summer of 1934 was the worst drought in US history. Half of the lower 48 states set their all-time temperature record during the 1930s. The most powerful hurricane to ever hit the US happened in 1935.


http://news.google.com/newspapers


The Tuscaloosa News – Google News Archive Search

12 Apr 1935 – DUST BLAST AGAIN SWEEPS MID-WEST U.S.A. Last Hop…

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/2392462?


http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/29178681?

http://docs.lib.noaa.gov/rescue/mwr/064/mwr-064-07-c1.pdf

http://news.google.com/newspapers

http://trove.nla.gov.au/

http://trove.nla.gov.au/

http://trove.nla.gov.au/

http://www1.ncdc.noaa.gov/





http://news.google.com/newspapers

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/41498474?



http://trove.nla.gov.au/

http://news.google.com/newspapers

02 Aug 1934 – AMERICAN DROUGHT. Human Death Roll Reaches 1,350.

28 Jul 1934 – AMERICAN DROUGHT DESTRUCTION OF CATTLE HEAVY HUM…
1933


http://news.google.com/newspapers


http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/16978063?

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/36461163

 

Doer

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but the sea is rising, the sea ice is thinning, and the ocean is warming. all incontrovertible facts.
Well you said rises in centimeters. It 1/10 of that, just noise.

There is not even a centimeter of sea rise. I showed that with the University of CO work.

The sea ice is spreading. Thickness is not an issue in Albedo. Albedo, the total refection of the earth, modifies itself to stay in balance,

And you cannot show a single study were the oceans below 10 meters are warming.

When you are in the corner, you say, "waste of time" and that your facts,(that you don't show, and are just made up,) you call those incontrovertible. That just means you know this is a political power debate.
 

Doer

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Sea ice is not thickening,...right! We would be in a hell of a lot of trouble and in the beginning of the new Ice Age if the sea ice was thicken.

You failure. Not thickening? HA Like that is bad. Increasing ice depth mean global cooling, babies. Spreading sea ice in winter, that we do see is balance.
 

Doer

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look at this junk science.



just look at it.

not even his critics say his body of work is at issue.

only the people citing the heartland institute (read: idiots like you) hate him, and it's only for how accurate he is.

enjoy engaging those men at the truck stop bathroom.
You have no idea of the difference between junk science and real science. HINT: Real science doesn't suck your dick for a dollar.

But you seem quite expert at what goes on in truck stop bathrooms.
 

Doer

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i agree..the article is about computer climate models..not about status of sea, polar ice or ocean temperature.

bucky, why does the mean waffle man not even read his own citation?
What have got going on with Buck, You guys need a private area? :) Wav, why does the mean girl align with the dumb guy?
 

Wavels

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What have got going on with Buck, You guys need a private area? :) Wav, why does the mean girl align with the dumb guy?
LOL, Buck and his entourage have been bamboozled big time.

And as I have previously stated, these faithful are in for a very rude awakening.

Hint: Newly published NIPCC report.
It will not be pretty.
They were warned.
 

Harrekin

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LOL, Buck and his entourage have been bamboozled big time.

And as I have previously stated, these faithful are in for a very rude awakening.

Hint: Newly published NIPCC report.
It will not be pretty.
They were warned.
I'm not disagreeing with what you're saying, but isn't the Heartland Institute a Corporate Shill Organisation??
 

Wavels

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Wow, this guy Hansen is quite the scientific Pip!

[h=2]Sea Level[/h]Now, on to his claims about sea level. Hansen has consistently made sea level forecasts far above the upper bounds of those from the IPCC (18-59cm.) In 2007, he forecast sea level rise up to 25 metres to the US Senate, which is nearly fifty times higher than the IPCC’s highest forecast.

Antarctic blues and the Australian drought
In 1988, Hansen told (sympathetic) journalist Bob Reiss that the West Side Highway in Manhattan would be underwater within 20 or 30 years (2008-2018). In 2001, he confirmed and reiterated that claim.
While doing research 12 or 13 years ago, I met Jim Hansen, the scientist who in 1988 predicted the greenhouse effect before Congress. I went over to the window with him and looked out on Broadway in New York City and said, “If what you’re saying about the greenhouse effect is true, is anything going to look different down there in 20 years?” He looked for a while and was quiet and didn’t say anything for a couple seconds. Then he said, “Well, there will be more traffic.” I, of course, didn’t think he heard the question right. Then he explained, “The West Side Highway [which runs along the Hudson River] will be under water. And there will be tape across the windows across the street because of high winds. And the same birds won’t be there. The trees in the median strip will change.” Then he said, “There will be more police cars.” Why? “Well, you know what happens to crime when the heat goes up.”
And so far, over the last 10 years, we’ve had 10 of the hottest years on record.
Didn’t he also say that restaurants would have signs in their windows that read, “Water by request only.”
Under the greenhouse effect, extreme weather increases. Depending on where you are in terms of the hydrological cycle, you get more of whatever you’re prone to get. New York can get droughts, the droughts can get more severe and you’ll have signs in restaurants saying “Water by request only.”
When did he say this will happen?
Within 20 or 30 years. And remember we had this conversation in 1988 or 1989.
Does he still believe these things?
Yes, he still believes everything. I talked to him a few months ago and he said he wouldn’t change anything that he said then.
Stormy weather – Global Warming – Salon.com
 

Wavels

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I'm not disagreeing with what you're saying, but isn't the Heartland Institute a Corporate Shill Organisation??

We will all see how this pans out. Time will expose the posers.


NIPCC----Nongovernmental International Panel on Climate Change
 

Doer

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The answer. Politics makes strange bedfellows.

The problem with Saganists, is when they make up data they like, (didn't like methane, like carbon) they cling to it worse than the clinging to bibles and guns.
 

Wavels

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This whole debate is going to veer into a whole new direction, that of of reality.
There are some lawsuits pending which will force the Alarmists to prove their science in Courts of Law.
I suspect that the purveyors of Alarmist claptrap will be exposed as the genuine "Shills".
We will see in due course.
M. Mann v. Tim Ball in British Columbia will be fascinating and revealing, not to mention downright entertaining.
The other suit is M. Mann v. M. Steyn in the District of Columbia. If this one gets to court, it should be a real treat.
 

Wavels

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so waffles, what are you trying to say?

:lol:
Well, the source for this piece is the Right-wing American Thinker.
Many of you will dismiss it out of hand.
So be it.


The just-published NIPCC reports may lead to a paradigm shift about what or who causes current climate changes. All the evidence suggests that Nature rules the climate – not Man.
Watch for it: We may be on the threshold of a tipping point in climate history. No, I’m not talking about a tipping point in the sense that the Earth will be covered with ice or become hellishly hot. I’m talking about a tipping point in our views of what controls the climate -- whether it’s mainly humans or whether it’s mainly natural. It makes an enormous difference in climate policy: Do we try to mitigate, at huge cost, or do we merely adapt to natural changes -- as our ancestors did for many millennia?
Such tipping points occur quite frequently in science. I have personally witnessed two paradigm shifts where world scientific opinion changed rapidly -- almost overnight. One was in Cosmology, where the “Steady State” theory of the Universe was replaced by the “Big Bang.” This shift was confirmed by the discovery of the “microwave background radiation,” which has already garnered Nobel prizes, and will likely get more.
The other major shift occurred in Continental Drift. After being denounced by the Science Establishment, the hypothesis of Alfred Wegener, initially based on approximate relations between South America and Africa, was dramatically confirmed by the discovery of “sea-floor spreading.”
These shifts were possible because there were no commercial or financial interests -- and they did not involve the public and politicians. But climate is a different animal: The financial stakes are huge -- in the trillions of dollars, and affect energy policy, and indeed the economic wellbeing of every inhabitant of the developed and developing world. For example, the conversion into ethanol fuel of a substantial portion of the US corn crop raised the price of tortillas in Mexico and caused food riots.
Nevertheless, I believe the time is right for a paradigm shift on climate. For one, there has been no warming now for some 15 years -- in spite of rising levels of greenhouse (GH) gases. Climate models have not come up with any accepted explanation. This disparity, of course, throws great doubt about any future warming derived from these same models, and indeed also about policies that are being advocated -- principally, the mitigation and control of Carbon Dioxide from the burning of fossil fuels.
Next year, in Paris, the UN will try to reconstitute the basic features of the (1997-2012) Kyoto Protocol -- an international treaty of participating nations to limit their emissions of CO[SUB]2[/SUB]. They may succeed -- unless the current paradigm changes.
We can already see the pressure building up for such a treaty. The big guns of international science are actively promoting climate scares. The Royal Society and US National Academy of Sciences have published a joint major report, containing no new science but advocating a “need for action.” The AAAS (American Association for the Advancement of Science), the largest scientific organization in the United States, is promoting the same policy, again without a shred of science in their slick pamphlet. Even the once-respected Scientific American magazine has gotten into the act and openly advocates such policies.
All of these Establishment groups, it seems, have a keen eye open for government funding -- not only for research but also the actions that go with such policies. They all accept the climate science as propagated by the three volumes of the 5[SUP]th[/SUP]Assessment Report (AR5) of the IPCC (Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change). Volume #1, dealing with physical science, was published in Sept 2013; volumes 2 and 3, dealing with impacts and mitigation, will be published in March and April of 2014.
But now, for the first time, we have NIPCC (Non-governmental International Panel on Climate Change) as a counter to the IPCC, as an independent voice, a second opinion, if you will -- something that was advocated by the IAC (InterAcademy Council on Science). We now have a credible number of studies, which the IPCC chose to ignore in reaching their conclusion about anthropogenic global warming (AGW). The NIPCC reports were also published in September 2013 (Physical Science), and in March and April of 2014 (Biological Impacts and Societal Impacts).
The NIPCC, in particular its Summary for Policy-Makers (SPM) of Vol 1, looks critically at the evidence that the IPCC uses to back up their claim of AGW. NIPCC notes that the evidence keeps changing over time. The first IPCC report (1990) used an improbable statistical method to suggest that the warming of the early part of the 20[SUP]th[/SUP] century was due to human-produced GH gases; no one believes this anymore.
The second assessment report of 1996, which led to the infamous 1997 Kyoto Protocol, manufactured the so-called “HotSpot,” a region of increased warming trend, with a maximum in the equatorial troposphere. That evidence has also disappeared: a detailed analysis (published in Nature 1996) showed that the hHotspot doesn’t even exist. In addition, the assumption that it constitutes a “fingerprint” for AGW is in error.
As a result of these two failed attempts to establish some kind of evidence for AGW, the third IPCC report (2001) latched on to the so-called “Hockeystick” graph, which claimed that only the 20[SUP]th[/SUP] century showed unusual warming during the past 1000 years. However, further scrutiny demonstrated that the Hockeystick was also manufactured -- based on faulty data, erroneous statistical methods, and an inappropriate calibration method. Even purely random data fed into the algorithm would always produce a hockeystick.
In its most recent AR5 of 2013, the IPCC has dropped all previous pieces of evidence and instead concentrates on trying to prove that the reported surface warming between 1978 and 2000 agrees with a warming predicted by climate models. This so-called proof turns out to be a weak reed indeed. The reported warming applies only to surface (land-based) weather stations and is not seen in any other data set; the weather satellite data that measure atmospheric temperature show no significant trend -- neither do proxy data (from analysis of tree rings, ocean/lake sediments, stalagmites, etc)
It can therefore be argued that there has been no appreciable human-caused warming in the 20[SUP]th[/SUP] century at all -- and that the warming effects of rising GH-gas content of the atmosphere have been quite insignificant. See also[url]http://www.americanthinker.com/2013/11/ipcc_s_bogus_evidence_for_global_warming.html[/URL]
But what about future global temperatures? Opinions differ sharply -- all the way from another “Little Ice Age” (a calamity, in my opinion) to a resumption of warming (aided by the “missing heat” that some alarmists are sure is hiding somewhere). Personally, I don’t do forecasts since I know too little about the Sun’s interior; I simply try to understand and explain the past climate. But if pressed, I would go with historic cycles, like the observed 1000-1500-yr cycle; it suggests a modest warming over the next few centuries, perhaps in ‘fits and starts’ -- unlike computer models that yield a steady increase in temperature from a steady increase of GH-gas levels.
Will nations accept any treaties emanating from the 2015 Paris Conference? So far, only Western Europe seems to be keen on ratifying -- and even there, doubts are developing. Eastern Europe is definitely against any new Protocol, as are Japan, Australia, and Canada. And what about the Chinese, the world’s largest emitters of CO[SUB]2[/SUB]? They gain a competitive advantage if their commercial competitors accept the Treaty’s restrictions, which raise their cost of energy.
The United States may be in a transition mode -- and that’s where a paradigm shift could really make a global difference. According to the latest Gallup poll, the US public ranks Global Warming almost at the bottom of twenty issues, mostly concerned with economics. The White House, however, seems to be gung-ho for climate alarmism. President Obama is planning new climate initiatives, based on advice from his Science Adviser, John Holdren, an erstwhile disciple of “Population Bomb” Paul Ehrlich. John Podesta has come aboard as counselor and special assistant to the President to push climate initiatives. And of course, the rest of the Administration is in tune with the White House.
Secretary of State John Kerry considers AGW the greatest challenge to US security -- in spite of having his plate full of foreign-policy problems: the Iran nuclear negotiations, the Syrian civil war, a developing Sunni insurgency in Iraq, the Arab-Israel ‘peace’ negotiations, and the Russian annexation of Crimea.
In mid-2014, the Supreme Court of the United States (SCOTUS) will issue its opinion on the EPA’s mis-guided and unscientific efforts to limit or even abolish the use of coal for electric generation. If SCOTUS can become aware of the NIPCC conclusions, they will surely decide against EPA and therefore the WH. Such an event may become the trigger for a cataclysmic paradigm shift in US policy on energy and climate. The November 2014 elections could tip the balance and finally kill the myth of Global Warming catastrophes in the US and throughout the world.
NIPCC Conclusions in Brief
Backed by thousands of peer-reviewed studies, are in striking contrast to the IPCC’s alarmist predictions:
**Climate data tell us that the human impact on Earth’s climate is very small and that any warming due to GH gases will be so small as to be indiscernible from natural variability.
**The net impacts of modestly rising temperatures and higher carbon-dioxide levels on plants, animals, wildlife, and human welfare have been positive so far and are likely to continue to be positive.
**The costs of trying to mitigate climate change by reducing emissions vastly exceed the benefits. Annual cost per US household would run to some $3,900; would destroy millions of jobs.
**In light of the new science and economics of climate change, thousands of laws passed at the height of the global warming scare need to be re-evaluated, modified, or repealed.
S. Fred Singer is professor emeritus at the University of Virginia and director of the Science & Environmental Policy Project. His specialty is atmospheric and space physics. An expert in remote sensing and satellites, he served as the founding director of the US Weather Satellite Service and, more recently, as vice chair of the US National Advisory Committee on Oceans & Atmosphere. He is a senior fellow of the Heartland Institute and the Independent Institute. He co-authored the NY Times best-sellerUnstoppable Global Warming: Every 1500 years. In 2007, he founded and has since chaired the NIPCC (Nongovernmental International Panel on Climate Change), which has released several scientific reports [See[url]www.NIPCCreport.org[/URL]]. For recent writings, see http://www.americanthinker.com/s_fred_singer/ and also Google Scholar.
 
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