Ditch the glass/aircool

TexasHank

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While this sounds cool and all I would love to see a 250 yield better than 600 I'm pretty sure it's about 4 x as much light even though less than 3 x the wattage. I mean I it works nor good too you. By you said you didn't grow marijuana right so this method may not even pertain to anyone here.

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That's right.. I do not grow marijuana. Take one word out of that sentence if you want to..

Don't get caught up in that..

If you don't wanna try it, it's cool. I'm just sharing my findings with you all and would encourage anyone to try it as well.

Im confident you will find the same results as I did.
 

bird mcbride

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Sending the light through the protective glass shielding will reduce the factor by approximately 8% and even more if the glass is dirty. A good grower will have the correct items on hand to clean the light(s) periodically.
 

TexasHank

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I really am beginning to believe that the plants do not need nearly as much light as I have thought in the past.. (and most other think, currently)

There are many factors that come into play that cannot be explained simply by one piece.. like how intense the light is at the distance from the bulb..

I'll have to pickup a light meter and take some readings.
 

TexasHank

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Sending the light through the protective glass shielding will reduce the factor by approximately 8% and even more if the glass is dirty. A good grower will have the correct items on hand to clean the light(s) periodically.
Yep.. I kept a prefilter on my aircool circuit and cleaned the glass about every 4 wks.. makes a BIG difference.

How did you come to 8 %?

I am going to have to see a complete 180deg turn from what I have been seeing to ever go back to glass.. I just don't see it happening.

I think that the light up higher spreading and penetrating better is a BIG part of it.. w/o the glass in place, the right height just happens to be great for the spread as well.

With the glass.. getting the lights in low.. My corners are shaded, lots of shadows..

I took the glass out and raised the lights and every damn inch of this flowering room is brightly illuminated. from the growth tips underneath the top layers of the canopy to the underside of the outlet/timer posted in the corner.. Everything is lit up. This was not the case with glass and lower lights.

I think this room being FILLED with light is making happier plants than when beaming down intense light on a portion of a plant.

I REALLY believe that super intense light does not make a happy plant..

A happy plant is what produces big buds.. not a whole shit load of light. IMO.
 

bird mcbride

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If you take a super good grower and give him the 250 and give a guy that don't know sh*t and give him the 600, you'll get more weed with the 250:)
 

TexasHank

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I think we get obsessed with pieces of the puzzle like intense light.. thinking MORE is better.
Instead of thinking.. what makes the plants happy?

In nature, we don't have a beaming arc of sun that comes into the plant at angle..
We have a plant nicely illuminated all over.. closer to what I have going with a light up higher.
 

TexasHank

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If you take a super good grower and give him the 250 and give a guy that don't know sh*t and give him the 600, you'll get more weed with the 250:)
Yeah, totally.

But I think a great grower with a 250 can beat a guy with a 600 that knows a little bit as well.. doesn't have to be Great VS Shitty.. Great VS Not bad can still show the Great as a winner.

I still think that a 250 with no glass up higher can beat out a 600 with glass that is 1 ft or closer to the tops..
 

TexasHank

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^ Another way to say it.. and this will ruffle some...

I think anyone who uses glass on the reflectors has room to improve their garden.. simply by removing the glass and moving the lights up a little higher than they were WITH glass.

I know it is bold.. Anyone who disagrees with me.. I understand.. I thought the same for a long time. But, no glass, up higher, better growth.

Other pieces need to be in place.. but.. I think the glass piece is very important and gives a SERIOUS edge to a grower over a glass user..

On an equal playing field, ALL other factors the same.. Also, WITH reflective surfaces surrounding at least 2 sides of the grow.. I would bet the farm that 600 with glass 1 ft from tops does not produce nearly as well as a 400w w/o glass.. 24 inches above the plants..
 

TexasHank

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Anyway, I'll post more when I have more to share.. might pickup a light meter.
I'll be playing with these thoughts more and finding the results..


That's the thing.. I will TRY IT and see the results.. NOT think about it and decide that one way is better than the other..

I've done glass for a damn long time.. Now it is time to see no glass and higher posted lights..

DOING IT and seeing results.. There are too many pieces involved to just write it off because "x"..

All you have to lose is a little weight if it doesn't go right for you..
If you never do it and you were wrong.. You have X years of lost weight, because you never tried it.
 

TexasHank

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It is in our nature to not want to be wrong..

So, you might come here and say "I tried it, didn't work".. But, did you REALLY try it? REALLY? No, no... REALLY?

Go ahead and say it on here that "your buddy tried it" "your buds are better" "etc".. but in the comfort of your own world I say ACTUALLY try it.

You don't have to come here and eat your words or anything.. just try it out without telling anyone and then later you can say you found it out all on your own.

If you do glass and 1 ft over the plants, I promise you, you will see improved yields removing the glass and raising it up about 2 ft over the plants.
ASSUMING you have adequate everything else (air, water, nutrients, etc)
 

bird mcbride

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I used an ohms meter and a photo resistor I scored from an exterior light fixture to do some of my wondering with.
 

TexasHank

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I used an ohms meter and a photo resistor I scored from an exterior light fixture to do some of my wondering with.
Gaing "8% more light" is just a small piece of what removing glass and raising the light does..

8% less is just words and a reading of a meter..

There is so much more to it.
 

TexasHank

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Im not going to try to change peoples minds too hard..

When someone does not want to believe something, they won't, and never will.

I've been there.. I've gotten better about it in the recent past... the results are incredible. My ego used to get in the way of a lot of improvements in my life.. MJ aside.. just with everything.

The universe is unlimited.
 

tip top toker

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So from your latest posts it seems that your improved situation might not have anything to do with glass. More that you just had a crap setup with poor light coverage.

If you're right, great, but science tends to claim otherwise from everything i've read. Have you actually attempted a side by side study to see if it was the glass that was the issue, or your hood and as such light coverage. Seems daft to make the statements you arte making when ignoring such important variables.

going at this from another angle. The idea of light being absorbed by glass, it is not a new notion, and there have been tests, and studies, across all fields whether it cannabis or otherwise. It would seem VERY odd that despite knwoing of this possbile issue for so long, noone else would have attempted what you state, noticed the difference, and then "published" the results in a scientific manner. But no, despite this knowledge, for some strange reason, growers continue to work on the basis of more light is better, and the closer the light (taking into account the coverage and temperatures, and inverse square law) the better.

Don't you just find it a bit odd that we have known about this for so many may years, yet for some reason we continue to do things counter to your ideas, and that people continue to get better yields using methods contrary to your opinion?

Hell, have you even run this in any kind of scientific manner? From your OP is seems that you didn't even use the same genetics when making your comparisson, simply that a haze turned out better than an indica. By this i mean i havn't read anything from you to even suggest that this is a better method. It sounds little different from say "i put a nail in the stem of this plant and it gave me a much better yield than that random plant i grew 12 month back. It must be the nail, i can't think of any other reason. That is not how one arrives at a scientific conclusion.
 
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