ACA enrollment numbers

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BigNBushy

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schuylaar said:
i don't know, that's why i was asking..suboxone?
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Negative sister. After a couple years of substance abuse, there is a lot of anxiety. I'm on something kind of like a benzo, but not quite like a Xanax, it is much less susceptible to abuse and dependency.

Suboxone is hundreds of dollars a month, my stuff is under 100.

Wish I was in a medical marijuana state, would probably much prefer to be a medical marijuana patient.
 
canndo

canndo

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Mindmelted said:
Sworn i seen $6600...My mistake
But are you suggesting that $6350 is any better.....:roll:
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No, the deductible for the silver plans is $2000. The total out of pocket for a calendar year is $6350 per individual. That means that you will have to pay the negotiated rate up until you get to $2000 dollars, then you pay what the schedule says till you get to $6500, then you pay nothing for anything else. This is not perfect, $6500 will cause some problems in households but it is unlikely to break them. Consider that I have seen deductables in 10k, 20k and even 40k. That means that the insurance doesn't pay anything at all till you get to those levels. Beyond that the TOOP level is low, I've seen it as low as a million dollars and a lifetime cap as low as three million.

What is most distressing is that, and I don't blame individuals, the whole thing is purposefully confusing,insurance companies made these names and limits up long ago with the specific intent to confuse. However, those same insurance companies, and those on the right who have some deep hatred for the sick, the disadvantaged and just normal joe and joliene, are out for blood. They will lie, cheat, distort and subvert. I have seen them do this for years now.

What I can not, for the life of me understand is why they would purposefully sabotage the ongoing efforts to have us insured. There are campaigns out there with the purpose of disuading young people from enrolling. They are attempting to convince the poor that it is to their detriment to enroll. They are trying to convince people that the plan will never work even as they do everything they can to HAVE it not work. So what these people show themselves to be is enemies of Americans. They WANT you to go bankrupt if you are ill. They WANT you to die if you get sick. They WANT you to have to draw money first from your own savings, then from the savings of family annd friends and finally from you and I in the form of higher premiums and taxes. This is what they want to have happen. They want us all divided and sick and frightened and overburdened.

I listened to Hannity going on and on about how Obama claimed there would be no further extensions to the deadline - gleeful that there will be another- sort of extension. He on the one hand claims that government sponsored, industry run health insurance can't possibly be good for anyone, you are doomed if you enroll, you must NOT enroll. In the very same breath, he taunts Obama because the enrolllment numbers aren't as high as Obama would like them. What the hell is that about?

Hannity has been working tirelessly to keep people from enrolling but blames Obama for the numbers being so low?
 
canndo

canndo

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desert dude said:
Half of the currently uninsured plan to stay uninsured...






http://kff.org/health-reform/poll-finding/kaiser-health-tracking-poll-march-2014/?__hstc=87270983.e1ed5f89ec2f95454f066a9fe495fa33.1387218750774.1394559031200.1395851115144.31&__hssc=87270983.2.1395851115144&__hsfp=2746923944
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Sure, why not? THEY can't tell me what I buy. THe insurance is too expensive (but being sick is sooo damn cheap). Hannity said I shouldn't get enrolled.

I predict that next year, when the roof doesn't all in, when everyone knows someone who finds that they pretty much like the service and the price, others, who are often followers in all movements, will come around.


I wager you could have found the same sort of graph in the late 80's "how many people plan to get connected to the internet".
 
desert dude

desert dude

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canndo said:
Sure, why not? THEY can't tell me what I buy. THe insurance is too expensive (but being sick is sooo damn cheap). Hannity said I shouldn't get enrolled.

I predict that next year, when the roof doesn't all in, when everyone knows someone who finds that they pretty much like the service and the price, others, who are often followers in all movements, will come around.


I wager you could have found the same sort of graph in the late 80's "how many people plan to get connected to the internet".
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If it weren't for John Roberts unilaterally rewriting the law, indeed THEY would not have been able to tell me, or anybody else in the Republic what I had to buy.

Young, healthy people don't buy health insurance. Did you even think about health insurance when you were young? I didn't. Do you think it is fair for young people to pay your health insurance costs? This ACA thing is a total clusterfuck. I would much prefer a totally socialist, single payer system.
 
NLXSK1

NLXSK1

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canndo said:
It is getting close to the end of the first cycle:

Enrollment in state and federal exchanges under the Affordable Care Act continues to grow, but the figures are still far beneath what the Obama Administration had originally projected.
With just about three weeks left until the end of open enrollment period, the Department of Health and Human Services reported Tuesday that 4.2 million people had selected plans on both state and federal exchanges. This is up from the 4 million enrollees HHS reported on Feb. 25.
The administration had originally aimed to enroll 7 million people in year one of the ACA, with 2.7 million people from the young and healthy demographic needed to offset the costs of older and sicker people in risk pools for insurers. The non-partisan Congressional Budget Office revised down enrollment numbers last month to 6 million, and expectations were lowered by Vice President Joe Biden as well in mid-February, when he said enrollment was off to a “hell of a start” and that numbers would likely hit 5 or 6 million for year one.
As predicted, enrollment has continued to tick up as the March 31 deadline approaches. HHS reported nearly 943,000 enrolled in February alone. The percentage of young enrollees in this month’s report is three percentage points higher it was during October through December, at 27% compared to 24%. But the total percentage of young enrollees in the 4.2 million total enrollees stands at 25% being ages 18-to-34. The target enrollment for this group was originally 38%.


http://www.foxbusiness.com/personal-finance/2014/03/11/aca-enrollment-hits-42m/


I just made my first payment.

So, how many of you are in? What did you get? what were your experiences? Why didn't you enroll if you didn't?

My experience was unsettling, there were problems and I am still not assured coverage as I have gotten no invoice, no notification and the "private message system" from the exchange says there are two messages but the link fails.
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Apparently the back end is not programmed yet.

You may get covered, you may not. Hopefully you dont get sick while all this gets ironed out...

I am sure after another 39 revisions, Obama will have this shit working perfectly... No really, trust him!!
 
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schuylaar

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canndo said:
No, the deductible for the silver plans is $2000. The total out of pocket for a calendar year is $6350 per individual. That means that you will have to pay the negotiated rate up until you get to $2000 dollars, then you pay what the schedule says till you get to $6500, then you pay nothing for anything else. This is not perfect, $6500 will cause some problems in households but it is unlikely to break them. Consider that I have seen deductables in 10k, 20k and even 40k. That means that the insurance doesn't pay anything at all till you get to those levels. Beyond that the TOOP level is low, I've seen it as low as a million dollars and a lifetime cap as low as three million.

What is most distressing is that, and I don't blame individuals, the whole thing is purposefully confusing,insurance companies made these names and limits up long ago with the specific intent to confuse. However, those same insurance companies, and those on the right who have some deep hatred for the sick, the disadvantaged and just normal joe and joliene, are out for blood. They will lie, cheat, distort and subvert. I have seen them do this for years now.

What I can not, for the life of me understand is why they would purposefully sabotage the ongoing efforts to have us insured. There are campaigns out there with the purpose of disuading young people from enrolling. They are attempting to convince the poor that it is to their detriment to enroll. They are trying to convince people that the plan will never work even as they do everything they can to HAVE it not work. So what these people show themselves to be is enemies of Americans. They WANT you to go bankrupt if you are ill. They WANT you to die if you get sick. They WANT you to have to draw money first from your own savings, then from the savings of family annd friends and finally from you and I in the form of higher premiums and taxes. This is what they want to have happen. They want us all divided and sick and frightened and overburdened.

I listened to Hannity going on and on about how Obama claimed there would be no further extensions to the deadline - gleeful that there will be another- sort of extension. He on the one hand claims that government sponsored, industry run health insurance can't possibly be good for anyone, you are doomed if you enroll, you must NOT enroll. In the very same breath, he taunts Obama because the enrolllment numbers aren't as high as Obama would like them. What the hell is that about?

Hannity has been working tirelessly to keep people from enrolling but blames Obama for the numbers being so low?
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i couldn't have said it better myself..i applaud you, sir:clap:

this is EXACTLY what is happening out there.

self-fulfilling prophecy:lol:
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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desert dude said:
If it weren't for John Roberts unilaterally rewriting the law, indeed THEY would not have been able to tell me, or anybody else in the Republic what I had to buy.
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that's not how the decision went, you uninformed, misguided carnival barking racist.

the law was deemed constitutional because you face a penalty for your economic inactivity. you are still more than welcome to not buy health insurance, old man. nothing can stop you from doing so.

and to be honest, i hope you choose that option as i am getting impatient for racist coots like you to drop off the roles already.
 
canndo

canndo

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desert dude said:
If it weren't for John Roberts unilaterally rewriting the law, indeed THEY would not have been able to tell me, or anybody else in the Republic what I had to buy.

Young, healthy people don't buy health insurance. Did you even think about health insurance when you were young? I didn't. Do you think it is fair for young people to pay your health insurance costs? This ACA thing is a total clusterfuck. I would much prefer a totally socialist, single payer system.
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I did desert dude. I had a friend, he was 24, he got in a bad motorcycle accident. He had no insurance, of course the ER patched the guy's face and head, nose and eye up ok but they said he had to get reconstructive surgery. He wound up being billed about 25k (this was a looong time ago). well, the emergency work that was performed was the best they could do at the moment but he was completely on his own if he wanted to fix is now pretty ugly face.

As I said before however, it is exactly the young that cause such problems. A guy gets sick, he taps out his account, then his friends pitch in. Then his family, who love him and will not deny him have to tap out THEIR accounts, and then, finally any or all of them declare bankruptcy and we as tax payers, or we as premium payers foot the bill because Tadd thought he was immune from disease and was never going to lay his bike down at 35 mph.

do I think it is fair that the young are going to pay for my social security? yes because when he gets to be my age someone else will be paying his. I am paying a lot more than the kid is for my health insurance, so what? one day, if this ACA thing holds up, someone his age will be subsidizing him. That is the way modern society works. The young build the bridges for the old and eventually the young turn INTO the old and the young do something for them.


Roberts "unilateraly", (well, he had a split vote) "rewrote" nothing. He interpreted something is all. I don't happen to agree with his interpretation but I do like the result.

I would prefer a single payer system as well. It didn't happen that way, and I believe that this thing could work fairly well with a few tweaks. It is still far better than the alternative - doing nothing, or the Republican alternative - vouchers or tort reform or cross state competition,which is altogether a stupid proposal to start with. It seems to me that competition is already inherent in the exchange and I am already seeing it work.
 
canndo

canndo

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NLXSK1 said:
Apparently the back end is not programmed yet.

You may get covered, you may not. Hopefully you dont get sick while all this gets ironed out...

I am sure after another 39 revisions, Obama will have this shit working perfectly... No really, trust him!!
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A part of that "back end" is as a result of repubs, yet again. They want us to be afraid that the government will get some bit of information from us, that in reality they already have that they are putting safeguards in that don't need to be there. Why did I have to tell the exchange my tax and income history and then "prove" it with a copy of my lst tas return? doesn't the federal government HAVE that tax return already? Why yes, they do. So what exactly was the republican bitch?

We both know the answer - they don't want any of this to work and they will do anything to frighten us, intimidate us, obscure the facts, lie, cheat, and befuddle so that the plan won't work. Why? because if it does, if, it works even a little bit, then they will be seen as who they really are - a small group of people who have absolutely no regard for the common citizen. They would prefer those citizens grow sick, die or grow poor - paying for ever more costly, ever more useless health insurance than admit that the dems were right.
 
Red1966

Red1966

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canndo said:
A part of that "back end" is as a result of repubs, yet again. They want us to be afraid that the government will get some bit of information from us, that in reality they already have that they are putting safeguards in that don't need to be there. Why did I have to tell the exchange my tax and income history and then "prove" it with a copy of my lst tas return? doesn't the federal government HAVE that tax return already? Why yes, they do. So what exactly was the republican bitch? We both know the answer - they don't want any of this to work and they will do anything to frighten us, intimidate us, obscure the facts, lie, cheat, and befuddle so that the plan won't work. Why? because if it does, if, it works even a little bit, then they will be seen as who they really are - a small group of people who have absolutely no regard for the common citizen. They would prefer those citizens grow sick, die or grow poor - paying for ever more costly, ever more useless health insurance than admit that the dems were right.
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Your claims the Republicans are to blame for the failures of Obamacare are just asinine. You just can't admit you had supported a stupid law. 70,000 pages. Really?
 
Doer

Doer

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schuylaar said:
i couldn't have said it better myself..i applaud you, sir:clap:

this is EXACTLY what is happening out there.

self-fulfilling prophecy:lol:
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Yeah. Don't you love self rule? I do. If you get uppity, people get uppity back. You try to trip up some of the fools. Other fools try to trip that up.

canndo.....this is not insurance for all. It is a Chicago style breakout of the insurance companies and you are all for it.

You think this stuff was set up to confuse us? Do you not know the organic nature of risk assessment? You think the Feds are not the uber-masters fucking with us?

All this is a breaks out, mob style of the Boards of Directors, of not just Insurance. As the govt illegally shifts the goal posts., these companies margins are kaput. No money no assurance, all actuarial gone to hell, Risk is un-assignable...

First Quarter profits shot in the head, the Board goes with, "those Chicago guys." Those are companies now with illegal pools to cover the Steamfitters Union.

Hey, every one gets a vote. Everyone has a family to threaten.
 
nitro harley

nitro harley

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With a fine of only 95.00 it's a no brainer that young healthy people wont sign up. Who thought up that shit, the Dems are idiots. If you want something to succeed you don't give the target group a pass, you give them the hammer. I guess the young peoples votes are more important than health care with that tiny fine. I have said all along and all I have heard from the young people that I have been in contact with say they will just pay the fine. I guess the Dems are just that dumb.
 
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