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Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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Canna Sylvan said:
What effects are these vaccines having on humans? We've been around for millions of years, and vaccines less than one hundred years. We evolved just fine without vaccines. What's changed why we can't? What happens when you change the natural order of things? People like you will bitch about Anthropomorphic Global Warming, that the Earth just can't handle the change we humans are doing to the planet. But what effect is the change to our own people having on how we'll affect our ability to evolve? Maybe the increases in auto-immune diseases is caused from "boosting" our immunity. When we should be working towards not preventing, but only enhancing to battle life threatening conditions? No matter what you all say, vaccines aren't how humans were meant to evolve, and might end up making us extinct for short term prevention goals. Similar to how the environmentalist craze caused brush growth buildup and massive fires when I was a kid in Yellowstone. Sometimes fires are necessary
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Are you advocating humanity abandon using vaccines?
 
Canna Sylvan

Canna Sylvan

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Padawanbater2 said:
Are you advocating humanity abandon using vaccines?
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Yes, we should work on cures. The prevention isn't 100% just as cures aren't either. But, when a cure doesn't work, it's an effort to save. Vaccines are a crutch based on wishful thinking and not based upon science. While I admit they look good on paper, what are their long term effects? What happens to the epigenome? Will the diseases we "prevent" become super powerful? Like that scene in Jurassic Park, "nature finds a way."

I already posted about how the common cold, the rhinovirus, can't be vaccinated for, since there's just too much variation. But even if it could, the measures we're developing are better and there's no need for one.

Why would we figure out ways to actually cure what we vaccinate for, if we prevent them to the point of not causing much harm? What prevents these viruses to mutate beyond what the vaccines can do and we get the common cold version of polio, mumps, measles, etc? Why are we vaccinating against chickenpox which used to be a childhood rite of passage? The vaccine isn't the same as a lifetime immunity from the actual disease.

We may be setting ourself up to how the Spaniards wiped out the native populations here with our diseases which were so radically different than anything they ever experienced. We can't control what third world countries do. While they're building resistance, and the diseases mutate, we're living in a fake herd resistance. And when an outbreak happens, the vaccines won't work. Then we're fucked.
 
Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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Canna Sylvan said:
Yes, we should work on cures. The prevention isn't 100% just as cures aren't either. But, when a cure doesn't work, it's an effort to save. Vaccines are a crutch based on wishful thinking and not based upon science. While I admit they look good on paper, what are their long term effects? What happens to the epigenome? Will the diseases we "prevent" become super powerful? Like that scene in Jurassic Park, "nature finds a way."

I already posted about how the common cold, the rhinovirus, can't be vaccinated for, since there's just too much variation. But even if it could, the measures we're developing are better and there's no need for one.

Why would we figure out ways to actually cure what we vaccinate for, if we prevent them to the point of not causing much harm? What prevents these viruses to mutate beyond what the vaccines can do and we get the common cold version of polio, mumps, measles, etc? Why are we vaccinating against chickenpox which used to be a childhood rite of passage? The vaccine isn't the same as a lifetime immunity from the actual disease.

We may be setting ourself up to how the Spaniards wiped out the native populations here with our diseases which were so radically different than anything they ever experienced. We can't control what third world countries do. While they're building resistance, and the diseases mutate, we're living in a fake herd resistance. And when an outbreak happens, the vaccines won't work. Then we're fucked.
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We do work on cures, alongside vaccines

Vaccines are completely based in science, millions of lives attest to that

The long term effects of being vaccinated is not contracting disease

Vaccines don't do anything to DNA

The alternative to not being vaccinated is no "if" about it, if humanity is not vaccinated, we will contract diseases and millions of people will die. Your bodys immune system is not equipped to fight things like Measles, Rubella, Mumps, Smallpox, etc.

Vaccines do not prevent cures for diseases from being invented

Vaccines give people better chances of remaining healthy, nothing is guaranteed but you are absolutely safer being vaccinated

We don't need to vaccinate the whole world, just most of it;

 
Canna Sylvan

Canna Sylvan

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Padawanbater2 said:

We do work on cures, alongside vaccines

Vaccines are completely based in science, millions of lives attest to that

The long term effects of being vaccinated is not contracting disease

Vaccines don't do anything to DNA

The alternative to not being vaccinated is no "if" about it, if humanity is not vaccinated, we will contract diseases and millions of people will die. Your bodys immune system is not equipped to fight things like Measles, Rubella, Mumps, Smallpox, etc.

Vaccines do not prevent cures for diseases from being invented

Vaccines give people better chances of remaining healthy, nothing is guaranteed but you are absolutely safer being vaccinated

We don't need to vaccinate the whole world, just most of it;

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I think the vaccines done made you retarded. I said nothing about DNA. I said epigenome.

Is the NIH voodoo science? :dunce:

NIH said:
Epigenomic modifications remain as cells divide and in some cases can be inherited through the generations. Environmental influences, such as a person’s diet and exposure to pollutants, can also impact the epigenome.
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There are many pollutants in vaccines, like mercury. It would be one thing if you want to fuck your body over, but if you have kids, vaccines can affect them too. Anyone who wants a vaccine needs to get sterilized.

We are just learning about this stuff. Look at the publish date:

Published: March 24, 2014

http://ghr.nlm.nih.gov/handbook/howgeneswork/epigenome
 
Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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Canna Sylvan said:
I think the vaccines done made you retarded. I said nothing about DNA. I said epigenome.
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"An Epigenome consists of a record of the chemical changes to the DNA and histone proteins of an organism; these changes can be passed down to an organism's offspring. "
 
Canna Sylvan

Canna Sylvan

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Padawanbater2 said:
Vaccines don't modify your genes, that's not how they work

You are repeating propaganda
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Who said that? The only one who ever suggested anyone said such, was you! Epigenes are inheritable and like their own subset of DNA that works along with the actual DNA. The DNA doesn't work unless it's activated by certain enzymes, epigenes, etc. Even if vaccines did change DNA, that doesn't necessarily means that does anything. Viruses attach their code into DNA, though. You can look that up. I'm tired of being your personal encyclopedia.
 
Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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Canna Sylvan said:
Who said that? The only one who ever suggested anyone said such, was you! Epigenes are inheritable and like their own subset of DNA that works along with the actual DNA. The DNA doesn't work unless it's activated by certain enzymes, epigenes, etc. Even if vaccines did change DNA, that doesn't necessarily means that does anything. Viruses attach their code into DNA, though. You can look that up. I'm tired of being your personal encyclopedia.
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What do you get out of pretending you know what you're talking about besides unprotected children?
 
Canna Sylvan

Canna Sylvan

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Padawanbater2 said:
What do you get out of pretending you know what you're talking about besides unprotected children?
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Why do you pretend you know anything besides parroting others? So there are no consequences to vaccines, with less than 100 years of usage?

You're the one who thought I was talking about DNA, and then still said I was talking about DNA posting that bullshit.

Here it is again. Without the use of charts or herd immunity, you aint' got shit which disproves this. Since vaccines "evidence" is based on epidemiology.

Cornell University said:
Epidemiological studies can never prove causation; that is, it cannot prove that a specific risk factor actually causes the disease being studied. Epidemiological evidence can only show that this risk factor is associated (correlated) with a higher incidence of disease in the population exposed to that risk factor. The higher the correlation the more certain the association, but it cannot prove the causation.
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The only way to prove vaccines work is to purposefully try to infect others with the diseases you're trying to study to the efficacy of vaccines in a controlled environment. You willing to go all Nazi on me to prove you're correct?
 
Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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Canna Sylvan said:
The only way to prove vaccines work is to purposefully try to infect others with the diseases you're trying to study to the efficacy of vaccines in a controlled environment. You willing to go all Nazi on me to prove you're correct?
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Again.. All I can say is you are really misinformed about how vaccines work or what they are

It's unfair to your kids not to get them vaccinated because of your uninformed beliefs
 
Antidisestablishmentarian

Antidisestablishmentarian

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Yeah, nobody should get vaccinated and we will live to a ripe old age of 50 instead of 80.

You have been sucked in by idiots Canna. Vaccines are safe and extremely effective. So effective they save roughly 6 million lives a year. And have helped increase life expectancy a shit load.

Now it's completely your choice, but acting like they are harmful when they aren't is detrimental to us all.
 
Cannasaurus Rex

Cannasaurus Rex

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Post is a macrocosm of society, 1% controls misinforms and gets the 99% fighting amongst themselves, so they can do anything with impunity. I am a libertarian by opinion, but a big picture guy, what is the point of a minimum wage without a poverty line? The real change will come when corporations and the 1% realize 100% profit models, rape all employees everywhere. Gov't and the 1% dictate your lives and your minds, fight the real enemy sheep!
 
Canna Sylvan

Canna Sylvan

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Antidisestablishmentarian said:
Yeah, nobody should get vaccinated and we will live to a ripe old age of 50 instead of 80.

You have been sucked in by idiots Canna. Vaccines are safe and extremely effective. So effective they save roughly 6 million lives a year. And have helped increase life expectancy a shit load.

Now it's completely your choice, but acting like they are harmful when they aren't is detrimental to us all.
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How do you know this? Epidemiological studies can be compelling but aren't proof of causation.

With smallpox, when Edward Jenner first started mandated vaccinations, the infection rate increased. The rate didn't go down until vaccinations for smallpox were no longer compulsory.

2010 there was a pertussis outbreak in California. A friend of mine's three kids plus his wife got infected. Neither I nor my friend got it, yet we were always around each other and he was in contact with his wife and kids. I never did get the DTap. His wife and three kids did. The difference between us and his family who got infected is diet, along with not getting the vaccine. We both don't eat refined sugars or extracted oils like vegetable, coconut, etc.

When the polio vaccine was introduced, the vaccine actually increased polio cases. To make it so people would still get the vaccine, the definition of what a polio case was changed to make it look like the infection rate went down.

Vaccines contain many poisons which you body must rid itself of. With an unhealthy person a vaccine works, whose immune system is compromised from an unhealthy lifestyle, which includes improper diet. Also, the vaccine only works temporarily and your body doesn't have antibody memory.

The only way to prevent infection is a healthy person is to eat a proper diet and prevent the source of infection. Trying to prevent infection from exposure is stupid.

Vaccines cause you to have a compromised immune system, and only protect some temporarily from what you're vaccinated against. But it's a vicious cycle, the more you immunize, the less your own immune system works.

Ever since going vegan, I've never gotten a cold or flu. The worst thing I contracted was food poisoning once in a while which only lasts a day or two, from eating out.

There are more problems from Americans eating too many processed oil fatty foods and refined sugars, that suppresses the immune system, than from not getting a vaccine.
 
Canna Sylvan

Canna Sylvan

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Cannasaurus Rex said:
Post is a macrocosm of society, 1% controls misinforms and gets the 99% fighting amongst themselves, so they can do anything with impunity. I am a libertarian by opinion, but a big picture guy, what is the point of a minimum wage without a poverty line? The real change will come when corporations and the 1% realize 100% profit models, rape all employees everywhere. Gov't and the 1% dictate your lives and your minds, fight the real enemy sheep!
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You're the one who's the real sheep. It's not the government and 1%, it's the people. You're only given what you want. Then you bitch about it. The only one who can change that is you, my friend.
 
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