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Antidisestablishmentarian

Antidisestablishmentarian

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Canna Sylvan said:
How do you know this? Epidemiological studies can be compelling but aren't proof of causation.

With smallpox, when Edward Jenner first started mandated vaccinations, the infection rate increased. The rate didn't go down until vaccinations for smallpox were no longer compulsory.

2010 there was a pertussis outbreak in California. A friend of mine's three kids plus his wife got infected. Neither I nor my friend got it, yet we were always around each other and he was in contact with his wife and kids. I never did get the DTap. His wife and three kids did. The difference between us and his family who got infected is diet, along with not getting the vaccine. We both don't eat refined sugars or extracted oils like vegetable, coconut, etc.

When the polio vaccine was introduced, the vaccine actually increased polio cases. To make it so people would still get the vaccine, the definition of what a polio case was changed to make it look like the infection rate went down.

Vaccines contain many poisons which you body must rid itself of. With an unhealthy person a vaccine works, whose immune system is compromised from an unhealthy lifestyle, which includes improper diet. Also, the vaccine only works temporarily and your body doesn't have antibody memory.

The only way to prevent infection is a healthy person is to eat a proper diet and prevent the source of infection. Trying to prevent infection from exposure is stupid.

Vaccines cause you to have a compromised immune system, and only protect some temporarily from what you're vaccinated against. But it's a vicious cycle, the more you immunize, the less your own immune system works.

Ever since going vegan, I've never gotten a cold or flu. The worst thing I contracted was food poisoning once in a while which only lasts a day or two, from eating out.

There are more problems from Americans eating too many processed oil fatty foods and refined sugars, that suppresses the immune system, than from not getting a vaccine.
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Start here.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK25349/

Then try here:

http://www2.aap.org/immunization/families/faq/vaccinestudies.pdf

Vaccines are safe.
 
abandonconflict

abandonconflict

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Canna Sylvan said:
You're the one who's the real sheep. It's not the government and 1%, it's the people. You're only given what you want. Then you bitch about it. The only one who can change that is you, my friend.
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Most of the things people really want are either illegal or at least restricted by the government for the benefit of a few.
 
Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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Canna Sylvan said:
The only way to prevent infection is a healthy person is to eat a proper diet and prevent the source of infection. Trying to prevent infection from exposure is stupid.
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Herp derp, that's the thing, you can't "prevent the source of infection" to some of these diseases, especially by just eating fruits and berries..

You don't know how vaccines work. Your bodies immune system remembers the pathogen introduced by the neutral vaccine, then when a deadlier outbreak happens, you're already protected against it.

Please for the sake of your family and my brain, go read something about the history of vaccines and how they work from a non biased medical site. Don't go read some fringe conspiracy bullshit that only reinforces your beliefs
 
Canna Sylvan

Canna Sylvan

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Padawanbater2 said:

Herp derp, that's the thing, you can't "prevent the source of infection" to some of these diseases, especially by just eating fruits and berries..

You don't know how vaccines work. Your bodies immune system remembers the pathogen introduced by the neutral vaccine, then when a deadlier outbreak happens, you're already protected against it.

Please for the sake of your family and my brain, go read something about the history of vaccines and how they work from a non biased medical site. Don't go read some fringe conspiracy bullshit that only reinforces your beliefs
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Derp, derp.

CDC said:
Sodium dichloroisocyanurate at 2,500 ppm available chlorine is effective against bacteria in the presence of up to 20% plasma, compared with 10% plasma for sodium hypochlorite at 2,500 ppm 548. "Superoxidized water" has been tested against bacteria, mycobacteria, viruses, fungi, and spores 537, 539, 549. Freshly generated superoxidized water is rapidly effective (<2 minutes) in achieving a 5-log10 reduction of pathogenic microorganisms (i.e., M. tuberculosis, M. chelonae, poliovirus, HIV, multidrug-resistant S. aureus, E. coli, Candida albicans, Enterococcus faecalis, P. aeruginosa) in the absence of organic loading. However, the biocidal activity of this disinfectant decreased substantially in the presence of organic material (e.g., 5% horse serum) 537, 549, 550. No bacteria or viruses were detected on artificially contaminated endoscopes after a 5-minute exposure to superoxidized water 551 and HBV-DNA was not detected from any endoscope experimentally contaminated with HBV-positive mixed sera after a disinfectant exposure time of 7 minutes552.
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Whoops!
 
Doer

Doer

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Canna Sylvan said:
How do you know this? Epidemiological studies can be compelling but aren't proof of causation.

With smallpox, when Edward Jenner first started mandated vaccinations, the infection rate increased. The rate didn't go down until vaccinations for smallpox were no longer compulsory.

The difference between us and his family who got infected is diet, along with not getting the vaccine. We both don't eat refined sugars or extracted oils like vegetable, coconut, etc.

When the polio vaccine was introduced, the vaccine actually increased polio cases. To make it so people would still get the vaccine, the definition of what a polio case was changed to make it look like the infection rate went down.

Vaccines contain many poisons which you body must rid itself of. With an unhealthy person a vaccine works, whose immune system is compromised from an unhealthy lifestyle, which includes improper diet. Also, the vaccine only works temporarily and your body doesn't have antibody memory.

Trying to prevent infection from exposure is stupid.
But it's a vicious cycle, the more you immunize, the less your own immune system works.


too many processed oil fatty foods and refined sugars, that suppresses the immune system, than from not getting a vaccine.
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There are not any facts in evidence for any of this.
 
Canna Sylvan

Canna Sylvan

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Harrekin said:
Your claim states its disinfection rate is much poorer in the presence of organic material.

Thus your claim fucked itself, sorry dude.
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Which means drinking bleach isn't an effective way to use it. :dunce:

Padawan's claim is you can't prevent the source of infection.

Bleach is just one way. Others are incineration, quarantine, etc. When you decrease the vector, you decrease the infection rate.

You're not very good at this. My point was to show Padwan's claim was silly.
 
Cannasaurus Rex

Cannasaurus Rex

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Canna Sylvan said:
You're the one who's the real sheep. It's not the government and 1%, it's the people. You're only given what you want. Then you bitch about it. The only one who can change that is you, my friend.
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I bitch about control and lack of individual freedom. I used to blame to church goers, just like you. We are all sheep my friend, I'm not a leader, I simply add to the collective herd (heard) voice. Perhaps you are the Che of sheep, or the Putin of the pack, take a shot, the flock will flock. A sheep who thinks he's a wolf, always gets consumed. BTW I only take what I earn, except enjoyment. I share most everything, especially my opinion. Cheers!
 
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