Are these Fertilizer and Pest control good enough? (pictures)

BobTheBlob

BobTheBlob

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Hi.
Where i live its quite hard to find good fertilizers and pest control. Could someone take a look at the products im having now and see if its alright. I have had some problems with the growth (Slow growth and leafs turning yellow). I thought one of the reasons might be the products im using/not using.

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I have nutitions/fertilizers named Golden Flower Organic Pellets Special. One typ for blede roots and growth, and one type for flowering.
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The pest control is fully in Thai, which i dont read so i havnt been using that yet.. Ill come back with a translation of that)
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Thanks,
BtB
 

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killemsoftly

killemsoftly

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The big one looks good. The small ones are yellow (N deficient). Why? Are you underfeeding it?
Also, that fert bag has no 'guaranteed minimum analysis'. Where did you get this stuff. I was looking at the script. I was going to make a joke and say 'my hindi is a little rusty' lol. thai, haven't seen that script that often.
Would it not be possible to get something a little better quality? I use raw salts myself. Very inexpensive. If you are anywere near an ag area I imagine you could grab 25 kg bags of salts pretty cheap and good quality with gm analysis. Just a thought
 
st0wandgrow

st0wandgrow

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killemsoftly said:
The big one looks good. The small ones are yellow (N deficient). Why? Are you underfeeding it?
Also, that fert bag has no 'guaranteed minimum analysis'. Where did you get this stuff. I was looking at the script. I was going to make a joke and say 'my hindi is a little rusty' lol. thai, haven't seen that script that often.
Would it not be possible to get something a little better quality? I use raw salts myself. Very inexpensive. If you are anywere near an ag area I imagine you could grab 25 kg bags of salts pretty cheap and good quality with gm analysis. Just a thought
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Raw salts? Please explain .....
 
killemsoftly

killemsoftly

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Farmers use big 25 kg bags of fertilizers in a water-soluble salt form. All nutrient formula's have this as their main and often only ingredient. Growers pay 300x markup for this stuff. It does not make much sense.
there are 5 raw salts: cal-nit, k-nit, mag-sulfate, k-sulfate, mono-potassium phosphate (i believe, don't quote me on the spelling)
there are also micro nutrients or trace minerals. it's a 'cocktail' of sulfur, boron, etc.
if you source this you are getting good stuff, usually, but it must have a guaranteed minimum analysis (there are very good european and american chemical company who make this for the ag industry; it is big money). The minimums are used to calculate grams/litre or gallon with a spreadsheet calculator.

I know, sounds real 'sciency' right? It is actually as simple as knowing how to enter a number in a field on a spreadsheet and weighing powder on a scale. The trick is to have a mixing container, say a 5 gal pail, with a pump in the pail to homogenize everything and get it water soluble without the salts precipitating, ie reacting and falling to the bottom. I could teach a 12 year old to mix nutes (and make beer but this last one is a bad idea!)

it seems to me you are missing something in your nutes, perhaps calcium nitrate or potassium nitrate or both. The little ones are too yellow. something is amiss
 
SpicySativa

SpicySativa

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I think the OP wants to grow organically, judging by the fact that he posted in the organics section.

Raw salts (calcium nitrate, ammonium chloride, ammonium nitrate, etc) have no place in an organic garden.
 
BobTheBlob

BobTheBlob

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Thanks for the answers. Yes, i would prefer to keep it organic. But where i live its hard to find good products. You know any good DIY organic fertilizer?
 
Jack Harer

Jack Harer

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I take it from what I read that you wanna be organic, but wish to use "prepared", store bought organic nutrients that you can dose out and apply like chemical salt ferts?
Composts and manures are available EVERYWHERE. From the from the northern Chiang Mai region of Thailand (I'm assuming you are somewhere in that region) to Anytown, USA. Being organic is a mindset and adherence to certain principles. It's less expensive, and ingredients can be found most anywhere.
IF you can find the Espoma products www.espoma.com where you are, they are the best bang for the buck IMHO of all the prepackaged "truly organic" nutrients available. Jobes is also very good.
To answer your Q, the nutes are probably OK and are PROBABLY organic, but the pest control I'd be VERY wary of until I knew what it was. If you are in fact in the SE asian area, they have no qualms about using chemical pesticides that are banned here in the US.
Listen to SpicySativa. Any advice from him (or her?) is right on the money.
 
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Jack Harer

Jack Harer

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Looking closer at the "Golden Flowers" bag, in the fourth paragraph from the top written in Thai/Sanskrit I see 3 sets if numbers that "appear" to be giving what I assume are NPK numbers. (NPK is pretty much universally used) 1-4, 3-6, and 10-15. I would safely assume that the NPK of that fert is either 1-3-10, or 4-6-15. Really light in N, very high in K. It's organic origins are pretty suspect as, like killemsoftly, my Thai is rusty (OK, non-existent!!)
 
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SpicySativa

SpicySativa

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BobtheBlob- check out the thread called "unconventional organics". I bet you'll find some things you have available.
 
BobTheBlob

BobTheBlob

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Thanks alot for the tips guys. I will put up a proper journal asap, and i appreciate all the help i can get :)
1-4 and 3-6 are dosage measurements. 1-4 tablespoons every second week, 3-6 tablespoons on flowering plants. The 10-15 idk what it could be.
 
killemsoftly

killemsoftly

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Very sorry guyys. I saw this guys post in the new post section. I did not notice it was organics. My bad.

Organics is optimal imvho. However, not all can do it. Raw salts are very effective and cheap. No farmer will ever pay what growers pay for what is nearly all h2o. I assumed the guy wanted/needed help and tried my best. Did not mean to impose.

grow well.......peace
 
AlcoholicO

AlcoholicO

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Check this one out, since I think you're in the same part of the world as I am.
DIY Organic soil with what we got in SEA...
 
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