Aid to Israel rape of American taxpayer

[mjetta]

Muslim world domination is a goal of the religion as I understand the religion. And Israel is the line in the sand. She (Israel), is the stumbling block muslims cannot go around.

Then you gravely misunderstand the religion, and all Abrahamic religions

 

[We TaRdED]

We...Explain me then. I watch no MSM news sources and I do not believe that 9/11 was an inside job. I've researched countless documents online (except for the drivel and pablum presented on Youtube), read books, viewed extensive documentaries. What are your sources? Youtube exclusively? You've already admitted that you don't like to read. Too bad. You should see our library, it's quite extensive. As for me, I scrutinize my information and check it against other sources wherever I can. Youtube is not gospel my friend.

Ok ok ok ok.... You got me Dave. You swayed my opinion about 911 because you undermined my sources. HAHA

Let me repeat, "You can read anything that can be spoken. You can not see actual videos of the WTCs falling via a book. You can not see peoples facial expressions via reading online. You can get a lot more information via video, and if you can't admit to that than I feel bad for you."

Let me ask you a question, what is the probability that someone would find a hijackers passport, unscathed, that just blew up a building. HAHA

Why doesn't the pentagon release vids of the plane crash on itself. If a plane really did hit it, why not show us? Why would they confiscate an adjacent gas station video? YouTube - Here's something the government didn't want you to see

The reason why I go through youtube is because most of the youtube videos that I link are actually videos that were aired via the MSN/TV!!! So if you don't believe in TV than you shouldn't believe in youtube. Any video I link, I believe it to be true or I indicate otherwise. How can you deny this?
YouTube - WTC 7 - Pull It By Larry Silverstein
Or this YouTube - 911 WTC Basement Explosions video and photographic proof

Prove to me that Alex Jones didn't predict this pre 911 YouTube - Alex Jones Predicts 911

Just look at how WTC7 fell, and try and fathom how a building of that enormity that was engineered by professionals could fall down because of office fires. Don't deny truth, your a smart guy. You might feel better after.

I do feel for you though Dave. It must be tough to know that all of these boys that are putting their lives at risk, are doing it to further the agendas of the NWO. It must be tough to know that it the reason we are going to war with other countries is because our own gov't tricked us. If I was in your position, I don't know if I could face that reality either. I would be in denial too. (I love you dude, peace be with whatever you believe.)

credible evidence of GENOCIDE!

Well what do you call killing INNOCENT civilians that had nothing to do with 911 or any "terrorist" group? I will admit, genocide is a strong word, but I believe this war is doing a number on their homeland.. (If you can't admit to that then I feel bad for you too.)

RON PAUL REVOLUTION

~PEACE~

 

[Johnnyorganic]

War is horrible regardless of where it takes place. Civilians die in war. Such are the fortunes of war. The way you make it sound, WE killed all of the innocents and the enemy had nothing to do with any of it.

We can debate the reasons we went into Iraq all day and not change the opinion of each other.

The winner determines the battleground. Iraq was a theater in the war at large, not a war in itself. We're winning, by the way.

 

[We TaRdED]

The winner determines the battleground. Iraq was a theater in the war at large, not a war in itself. We're winning, by the way.

Are you a Freemason?

(They also say "the winner gets to rewrite history")

RON PAUL REVOLUTION

~PEACE~

 

[We TaRdED]

This guys has a clue... Why don't you guys?

YouTube - Countdown Special Comment 12-6-07 Bush Lied About Iran Nuke .........................http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqxmPjB0WSs&feature=related........(You can say its not a credible source, I say stop watching TV then..)

RON PAUL REVOLUTION

~PEACE~

 

[VTXDave]

Ok ok ok ok.... You got me Dave. You swayed my opinion about 911 because you undermined my sources. HAHA

Let me repeat, "You can read anything that can be spoken. You can not see actual videos of the WTCs falling via a book. You can not see peoples facial expressions via reading online. You can get a lot more information via video, and if you can't admit to that than I feel bad for you."

Let me ask you a question, what is the probability that someone would find a hijackers passport, unscathed, that just blew up a building. HAHA

Why doesn't the pentagon release vids of the plane crash on itself. If a plane really did hit it, why not show us? Why would they confiscate an adjacent gas station video? YouTube - Here's something the government didn't want you to see

The reason why I go through youtube is because most of the youtube videos that I link are actually videos that were aired via the MSN/TV!!! So if you don't believe in TV than you shouldn't believe in youtube. Any video I link, I believe it to be true or I indicate otherwise. How can you deny this?
YouTube - WTC 7 - Pull It By Larry Silverstein
Or this YouTube - 911 WTC Basement Explosions video and photographic proof

Prove to me that Alex Jones didn't predict this pre 911 YouTube - Alex Jones Predicts 911

Just look at how WTC7 fell, and try and fathom how a building of that enormity that was engineered by professionals could fall down because of office fires. Don't deny truth, your a smart guy. You might feel better after.

I do feel for you though Dave. It must be tough to know that all of these boys that are putting their lives at risk, are doing it to further the agendas of the NWO. It must be tough to know that it the reason we are going to war with other countries is because our own gov't tricked us. If I was in your position, I don't know if I could face that reality either. I would be in denial too. (I love you dude, peace be with whatever you believe.)





Well what do you call killing INNOCENT civilians that had nothing to do with 911 or any "terrorist" group? I will admit, genocide is a strong word, but I believe this war is doing a number on their homeland.. (If you can't admit to that then I feel bad for you too.)

RON PAUL REVOLUTION

~PEACE~

you're not hearing what I'm saying We.

 

[ccodiane]

We doesn't know what it is saying...............

"Let me repeat, "You can read anything that can be spoken. You can not see actual videos of the WTCs falling via a book. You can not see peoples facial expressions via reading online. You can get a lot more information via video, and if you can't admit to that than I feel bad for you.""

"Because the American peoples source of news is FOX and you only hear what they want you to hear (for the most part). The MSM is owned by the same half a dozen companies, and has a monopoly on what you get to watch. (the media and the gov't are sleeping together."

But, of course, the "FOX and MSM types" would never dare to post on YOUR TUBE.

 

[ccodiane]

Your malicious We..........

 

[Seamaiden]

Wetarded, here is the HUGE problem with YouTube: It can fool you. YouTube "cel phone pops popcorn". Watch it. Be impressed. Think it's real. It's fake. Yet, there it is, right in front of your face. That doesn't make it real.

Here is another HUGE problem with YouTube: Veracity. You cannot check veracity very well with these YouTube vids because you generally get directed to blogs, more YouTubes, and very little of substance.

When you're reading a news article, you must understand that the media actually have a set of standards, especially news gatherers such as Rueters and Associated Press. It's a VERY bad thing if (when) they mis-report, and it does indeed happen.

Try these links on for a change; Link TV | Television Without Borders -- it is almost entirely political, and it gives you an idea of "the other side of the story". For some educational entertainment, I would then like you to watch a video, but while you watch it be sure to read between the lines, and maybe even read this guy's blog (d'oh!):
Like a suppository, only a bit stronger × Comme un suppositoire, mais juste un peu plus fort | the dissident frogman

1. whens the last time you had a muslim come to your door trying to convert you? (Jehovah's witness')

2. Manifest destiny included massive amounts of slavery in the name of "God" (African Americans)

3.The largest genocide in Human history was committed in the name of furthering christianity

1. None. No Buddhists, either. As a matter of fact, the Buddha never even addresses the issue of whether there is a god or not, or even if there are many gods and goddesses. (This is in part for Wetarded, he asked what religion doesn't try to convert you, and I'll add Zoroastrianism and Hindu to that list, too.)

2. So, you're saying that all those (Muslim) Arabs and Africans who captured and sold those people into slavery were actually doing so in order to fulfill their manifest destiny? That doesn't make much sense at all.

3. What largest genocide in history was that? I can think of a few actions that definitely count as genocide, and my memory isn't including "Christianity" in any except the Crusades. Come on, man, it's not like those Muslim boys weren't handing it back as well.
And how could we leave out Suleiman the Magnificent (he sure got Lord Vlad's panties in a bunch, didn't he?)?
How about the Great Leap Forward? Was that about Christianity?
The Communist killings between 1918-1945? No..? Those don't fit the paradigm?

Then, there are those who would suggest that the Anglo-American (largely) actions against Native Americans in the west, especially out here in California, were the worst in terms of genocidal action. The Ustashi Serbs were so brutal that SS officers and soldiers often requested transfer out of the country... the list is so extensive that debate is still heated regarding that term "largest genocide in history".

Just sayin'.

 

[medicineman]

Geeze, seamaiden, you watch link TV??? How impressive.

 

[Seamaiden]

Wow... you've heard of it, med? Color me flumoxed.

 

[medicineman]

Wow... you've heard of it, med? Color me flumoxed.

Not only have I heard of it but I TIVO every new program, (One that I've not seen yet) and sit down for 2-4 hour marathons. I find it to be the most informative and world view available on my measly 600+ channels. From hookers in India to forest burners in Argentina, always something interesting, and that Amy Goodman, a saint if ever there were. I like Spotlight, always something interesting. so yes, I watch Link TV. I've mentioned it several times on this site to get interest up.

 

[Seamaiden]

Amy Goodman is just a wee bit liberal for me, very much a Berkeley-ite. However, I like getting different flavors, and I love seeing news from other countries. I also very much like some of the films, although I've been making an effort to keep the tv turned off as much as possible, as well as staying offline as much as possible. It is interesting especially getting different perspectives on the mainstream media (which is not comprised only of Fox News, for those so inclined to believe such a thing).

Another interesting one, but more for the younger crowd is Current. Not quite the same as linktv, but they do have interesting stuff.

Oh, one thing I will watch all day long is surfing. I don't know why, I can't surf, but I LOVE watching surfers cut waves.

 

[ViRedd]

Amy Goodman is a Berkeleyite liberal? Who-da thunk?

Vi

 

[We TaRdED]

Wetarded, here is the HUGE problem with YouTube: It can fool you. YouTube "cel phone pops popcorn". Watch it. Be impressed. Think it's real. It's fake. Yet, there it is, right in front of your face. That doesn't make it real.

Here is another HUGE problem with YouTube: Veracity. You cannot check veracity very well with these YouTube vids because you generally get directed to blogs, more YouTubes, and very little of substance.

When you're reading a news article, you must understand that the media actually have a set of standards, especially news gatherers such as Rueters and Associated Press. It's a VERY bad thing if (when) they mis-report, and it does indeed happen.

Try these links on for a change; Link TV | Television Without Borders -- it is almost entirely political, and it gives you an idea of "the other side of the story". For some educational entertainment, I would then like you to watch a video, but while you watch it be sure to read between the lines, and maybe even read this guy's blog (d'oh!):
Like a suppository, only a bit stronger × Comme un suppositoire, mais juste un peu plus fort | the dissident frogman

I did a search for "cell phones popping popcorn" and I came up with this YouTube - Pop corn with cell phones : made by Cardo Systems

So when something is absurd like this than the first thing I do is read the comments. You will notice how many people say "Fake" or "I tried it and it didn't work".

If you watch any of my posted videos, you will notice that most of them come off of a news station from TV.

But even TV shows fake videos.. (Watch this) YouTube - Bush- Drunk .. But it should be obvious that its fake to anyone with half a brain.

If someone can't understand that this is fake (this is actually funny) than all they would have to do is read the comments. YouTube - bush

Even though Bush looks like an idiot in this one, you will notice that no one says "fake" or "HAHA, what a good joke". YouTube - Time for Politics - President Bush Speechless

I post legit youtube vids like these... YouTube - Olbermann: the beginning of the end of America

YouTube - Countdown Special Comment 12-6-07 Bush Lied About Iran Nuke

I'll admit that not all of it is fact, some of Olbermann rhetoric is his opinions, but this vid is still LEGIT.

Quintessentially, I believe there are some bullshyt youtube videos out there, but I don't link you guys them unless I indicate its a joke. I have enough intelligence to discern whats real and what FAKE..

Please indicate any false info in the links I provide for you guys. Or tell me that they are FAKE. Until you find the false information, watch and learn.. Or be in denial if you opt, you know what they say, "ignorance is bliss".

Edit- No one source of info is infallible. Just look at how we got tricked by the gov'ts "intelligence" about Iraq having WMD's. To listen to all of the lies that the Bush (THE FUCKING PRESIDENT OF THE USA) administration said to us, watch this....... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZiW_Iz3xTuA (Credible source! If you say its not, than I tell you to stop watching and believing in TV) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DrZNEj8RdZQ&feature=related

When are you guys going to wake up?


RON PAUL REVOLUTION

~PEACE~

 

[Johnnyorganic]

1. whens the last time you had a muslim come to your door trying to convert you? (Jehovah's witness')

When's the last time a Jehovah's Witness showed up at your door with a sword in hand saying 'Convert or die!' Evangelism is one thing. Islam CURRENTLY seeks world domination. You won't find such a strategy in modern Christian dogma.

2. Manifest destiny included massive amounts of slavery in the name of "God" (African Americans)

Actually, the slave trade was justified by the Catholic Chruch as a means to bring Christianity to the New World. A position which was later reversed. Again, the Reformation resulted in many reversals of the traditional embrace of such atrocities in the Christian world. In fact, slavery was abolished in the Western World with the end of the War Between the States in 1865. Slavery is widely tolerated in much of the Islamic world to this day.

You are confusing God with Christ. Atrocities are carried out in the name of God even today. Manifest Destiny was just that. The idea that God set aside the North American continent for the U.S. The War with Mexico was justified with the concept of Manifest Destiny. The last genocide the U.S. government actively took a part in was the Indian Wars. Islam promotes a Manifest Destiny all their own: A Worldwide Caliphate.

3.The largest genocide in Human history was committed in the name of furthering christianity

I suppose you are referring to the Nazis. Germany under the Wiemar Republic was a conservative, Christian nation. Nazis were not Christian, nor were they conservative. They sought to replace traditional religion with their own secular religion for the Third Reich: National Socialism. The Holocaust was not the largest genocide in human history. It is the most famous and well-documented, but nowhere near the biggest. Not even close.

 

[mjetta]

When's the last time a Jehovah's Witness showed up at your door with a sword in hand saying 'Convert or die!' Evangelism is one thing. Islam CURRENTLY seeks world domination. You won't find such a strategy in modern Christian dogma.

Never, and neither has a muslim. Every muslim ive ever known has been the same as everyone else i know. Where is your source for this? Where does it say islam seeks world domination? you mean the goal is to make everyone muslim? just like all religions. Kind of like establishing the "kingdom of God huh?

Actually, the slave trade was justified by the Catholic Chruch as a means to bring Christianity to the New World. A position which was later reversed. Again, the Reformation resulted in many reversals of the traditional embrace of such atrocities in the Christian world. In fact, slavery was abolished in the Western World with the end of the War Between the States in 1865. Slavery is widely tolerated in much of the Islamic world to this day.

Hmm, like where exaclty?

You are confusing God with Christ. Atrocities are carried out in the name of God even today. Manifest Destiny was just that. The idea that God set aside the North American continent for the U.S. The War with Mexico was justified with the concept of Manifest Destiny. The last genocide the U.S. government actively took a part in was the Indian Wars. Islam promotes a Manifest Destiny all their own: A Worldwide Caliphate.

Dont most christians believe christ and god are one?

I suppose you are referring to the Nazis. Germany under the Wiemar Republic was a conservative, Christian nation. Nazis were not Christian, nor were they conservative. They sought to replace traditional religion with their own secular religion for the Third Reich: National Socialism. The Holocaust was not the largest genocide in human history. It is the most famous and well-documented, but nowhere near the biggest. Not even close.

And the Spanish Inquisition? Directly done in the name of christianity. Soldiers went to houses of muslims and jews and forced them to convert at the tip of a sword. Massive genocide in the name of christianity.

P.S

Mr. Organic

thank you for being proabably the only person on this website who knows how to have a lively debate without resorting to personal insults and acting like a 2 year old. Seriously

 

[Seamaiden]

Ooo.. The Spanish Inquisition, good one! I am tempted to quip that no one expects the Spanish Inquisition, but were I to proffer such a quip, it would have done been quipped by then, wouldn't it? Yes, yes, the Spanish Inquisition is a good one.. but does it actually count as a genocide?

 

[mjetta]

I don’t think that there are any religions where religious doctrines have not been brought in the service of justifying war and violence. I also don’t think that these religious doctrines were merely used as convenient “excuses” which people used for doing what they wanted to do in the first place. Perhaps this has been the case in some situations, but for the most part I think that people have genuinely and sincerely believed that war and violence were logical outcomes of their religions.

The second premise was that Christ’s wishes for mankind were associated with a political system or course of political events in this world. For the crusaders his intentions were embodied in a political conception, the Christian Republic, a single, universal, transcendental state ruled by him, whose agents on earth were popes, bishops, emperors and kings. A personal commitment to its defence was believed to be a moral imperative for those qualified to fight. Propagandists gave this theory expression in terms the faithful could understand: within the earthly extension to Christ’s universal empire the Holy Land was his royal domain or patrimony; Livonia (approx. Latvia) on the Baltic was the Blessed Virgin Mary’s private estate, a kind of queen mother’s dowery.

I got this off of another website. food for thought. I have nothing against Christianity, i think its great people unite for a common belief. My point is that although SOME of what you say is true, it applies to ALL religion, but your singling it out as though Islam is the only religion like this which is far from true.

Peace

 

[Seamaiden]

I believe that war and violence are the natural outcome of humanity, mjetta. Religion is just an excuse.