Anyone a fan of defoliation to increase yeild?

[joe macclennan]

@ neo, it's clear you have no interest in learning. that's cool. .

giving advice on a subject you are unwilling to do any reading on is not so cool tho.

but, whatever bro.

 

[Sativied]

Surely this is describing translocation and not photosynthesis?

I think the common misconception here is that leaves are essential to translocation,

when this is clearly not the case.

Not mutually exclusive.
No.
And of course it is (a good microscope actually allows you to see that 'clearly' in the leaves).

Did you actually come to those conclusions 'after' you read the doc (uhm for example the The Translocation of Phloem section)?

Without leaves there is no photosynthate (the product of photosynthesis, energy stored in the form of sugar) for the phloem to translocate. Leaves aren't just essential to translocation (through both xylem and phloem, bi-directial with leaves often either being the destination or origin), they are essential to ALL the processes in a plant which are all chemical processes requiring energy. Most people have heard the comparison of leaves to solar panels but it seems many don't realize how true that comparison is (and there's no backup line to a grid...).

 

[neo12345]

Not mutually exclusive.
No.
And of course it is (a good microscope actually allows you to see that 'clearly' in the leaves).

Did you actually come to those conclusions 'after' you read the doc (uhm for example the The Translocation of Phloem section)?

Without leaves there is no photosynthate (the product of photosynthesis, energy stored in the form of sugar) for the phloem to translocate. Leaves aren't just essential to translocation (through both xylem and phloem, bi-directial with leaves often either being the destination or origin), they are essential to ALL the processes in a plant which are all chemical processes requiring energy. Most people have heard the comparison of leaves to solar panels but it seems many don't realize how true that comparison is (and there's no backup line to a grid...).

You may have been taking my statement too literally there, it was meant in the context of defoliation. Obviously cannabis plants need leaves to grow just not all of the time, is probably a more accurate statement.

I came to my conclusions after defoliating some cannabis plants, and doing some experimenting of my own. I found that translocation did not appear to stop when I defoliated, in fact there seemed to be an increased growth rate after defoliation.

Most people with solar panels also have a bank of batteries, so they can use energy whilst also storing some for use at night when the solar panels don't work. Which is pretty much how a plant works isn't it, it over produces the energy needed and stores the over production?

So is it possible that the plant after being tricked into thinking it's lost leaves for whatever reason is tapping into this energy reserve, since it has no leaves to produce energy from?

 

[joe macclennan]

Not mutually exclusive.
No.
And of course it is (a good microscope actually allows you to see that 'clearly' in the leaves).

Did you actually come to those conclusions 'after' you read the doc (uhm for example the The Translocation of Phloem section)?

Without leaves there is no photosynthate (the product of photosynthesis, energy stored in the form of sugar) for the phloem to translocate. Leaves aren't just essential to translocation (through both xylem and phloem, bi-directial with leaves often either being the destination or origin), they are essential to ALL the processes in a plant which are all chemical processes requiring energy. Most people have heard the comparison of leaves to solar panels but it seems many don't realize how true that comparison is (and there's no backup line to a grid...).

very good explanation man, I wish I could still give rep.

@ neo, you really should take some basic biology courses and quit arguing with those who know more about this than you

 

[neo12345]

We should have a flying competition Joe I don't mind hiring a couple of light aircraft for the day, I'll take lessons and get some real experience of flying while you just read some scientific studies about flying. It should make for an interesting day out?

You're clearly way out of your depth as you can't even answer some simple questions that I posted, so to save you further embarrassment why don't you just keep quiet?

 

[Growan]

I missed this thread. It's the thread that keeps on giving...

 

[joe macclennan]

have you ever flown an aircraft before neo? I have. LOL

who is embarrassed?

your analogies crack me up tho...keep trying

 

[neo12345]

have you ever flown an aircraft before neo? I have. LOL

who is embarrassed?

your analogies crack me up tho...keep trying

I thought you were intelligent enough to understand what I was saying, obviously not so let me spell it out in simple terms for you.

You have no experience of defoliation, yet you think you know all about it because you're repeating what someone else has said. You then think that qualifies you somehow to come onto these threads and tell people not to do what you have never tried!

You then try and force your opinions onto other people and won't allow them to even have a conversation about it, like some little fascist full of his own self importance.

You've been exposed several times now showing that you don't really know what you're talking about. Embarrassed? I feel a little embarrassed for you.

You brown nose anyone else who puts up false flag information in the hope that you are right.

I like these conversations because like they say all publicity is good publicity, people are reading these threads and trying defoliation for themselves and finding out that you're talking a load of bollocks and their plants aren't dying because 'translocation stops when you remove the leaves'.

That's why I don't mind having these stupid conversations with you because it keeps these threads alive.

So you continue with your personal attacks on me if you think it adds something to your argument, I'll keep on asking difficult questions like how are the trees outside growing leaves now when they were bare a few weeks ago?

 

[RL420]

this is now a cat thread

 

[Commander Strax]

Hey Neo I just read your signature, perhaps you should crouch down, get down on your knees, put your head on my knees and lean forward. Be careful of your teeth, I have a 4 gage Prince Albert and a full Jacobs Ladder. kiss-ass

stop putting holes in your penis....It is your PENIS leave it be , you may need it in the future

 

[mr sunshine]

Joe is a king around here he is the top of the food chain..he can cure cancer with his seamen.. he will crush you!!!

 

[joe macclennan]

you are your own worst enemy neo. anyone who has ever read your fumbling posts realizes you are a fool. nobody casts as much negative light on the topic of defoliation as you. There are a few people who make very good points on the subject. You....are not one of them.

go ahead and type another page and a half post trying to make yourself look better, you funny little man you

edit: i'm not attacking you at all.....talk about the pot and the kettle here. Your post is full of attacks. Kinda the only way you know how to get your point across

 

[neo12345]

edit: i'm not attacking you at all....

That's funny joe because your last 3 or 4 posts say different, you don't like it because you just got some back. Then again bullies don't normally like it when people stand up to them.

As for the op's original question of anyone being a fan of defoliation to increase yield, I think we can put joe down as a firm no. It took us 8 pages to get there but now we finally have a definitive answer.

 

[Spanky84]

Come on guys, smoke a joint or something. This negativity solves mothing...

 

[bigworm6969]

im a fan of cutting fan leaves, i dont cut that many but i do it like 3 times through out the plants life cycle if i cant tuck it i cut it and i dont see any harm as long as u dont go crazy with it

 

[dannyboy602]

I'm putting together an experiment involving DEFOLIATION! I'd really like all the input I can get. Please start by reading the opening post. This will be a controlled grow with 4 subject plants.

Check it out: https://www.rollitup.org/showthread.php?t=809749

Professor Bunny is gone now and he took his defoliating experiment with him. I was sort of looking forward to seeing the results. Anyone know why he left or was banned?

 

[jointed]

Nope....

 

[Growan]

Banned for cruelty to plants?
No, seriously it's a shame. The conclusion of a controlled experiment is exactly what we need to see.
Anybody else got 4 spare clones, a m² and a 600w hps?!?

 

[joe macclennan]

Professor Bunny is gone now and he took his defoliating experiment with him. I was sort of looking forward to seeing the results. Anyone know why he left or was banned?

i don't think he was banned was he? Last I saw him post he said he was just really busy. hell man, you're the mod! you should be telling us lol.

lol@ neo calling me a bully. You just need to learn how to read broseph. When i hear a guy giving such erroneous advice with absolutely NO credible evidence backing up his claims...I'll call him on it....every time. Put up or shut up. simple as that.

 

[dannyboy602]

I'll ask around. When there is a line through someone's name it means they're gone. Now that Defoliating issue will just keep on going instead of being debunked and put to rest.