haha so fucking cute
why do pitbulls get a vicious dog rep?
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BobBitchen
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BarnBuster
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joe macclennan
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perhaps...but there is no question dogs need to know who is in charge. You get a really large breed like my saint and he'll push you around. Cuz he knows he can. You straighten his ass out and let him know he is not the boss and he'll listen.
the use of the term alpha is meant to infer boss or in charge imo.
BarnBuster
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Yes, I agree with this. MY belief is, dogs are happier (anthropomorphic motherfucker that I am) when they have clear boundaries and know who is in charge. Isn't that what makes for proper co-habitable socialization?
cat of curiosity
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i beg to differ, there is a such a thing as human dog dominance, and hierarchy of dogs with the human as the leader. the standard idea that domination means forceful, heavy handed, and even cruel training, however, is completely wrong. if you have to hit a dog, you do not have control, and that's not being dominant, it's being mean and bullying.
prime example of human as pack leader is a shepherd commanding several dogs to work a herd. prime example that there is a role of humans in the pack is the comparison to a multi-dog household compared to a pack of feral dogs.
also, negative reinforcement training is just as important as positive reinforcement. again, there's no need to hit or beat a dog, negative reinforcement is effective by simple showing your dissatisfaction, withholding play, or just plain ignoring after scolding.
joe macclennan
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maybe
what I know for sure is that when my wolf mix bit me. I punched him right in the nose. It dropped him. he never bit anyone EVER again. and I never had to raise a hand to him after either.
I am not a master dog trainer by any means but at the time it needed to be addressed. There are a lot of kids around and I couldnt' risk he bite one of them.
joe macclennan
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@ thump so you had three pits before...you couldn't control them and had to put them down.
and now you went out and bought another???
wtf thump?
and now you went out and bought another???
wtf thump?
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thump easy
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to much info... 
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cat of curiosity
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i think that would be more like defense, self protection. if i were attacked, i would fight back. if a dog bites me to hurt me, i'll hurt him back too. i don't think anyone could consider that 'beating' a dog in training. in this case, you were challenged, and showed the animal that you would not tolerate it, and would not back down. standard alpha behavior.
joe macclennan
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she is adorable thump. I hope it works out for you this time.
joe macclennan
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hey jj, I agree with you I think
there are more bad owners than bad dogs, and bad owners should be punished...end of story
there are more bad owners than bad dogs, and bad owners should be punished...end of story
killemsoftly
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You know your stuff coc. I can tell by everything you have said in this post.
I had a cattle dog. He was out of control when i got him from the family who had him.
I worked very hard to get him under my control from age 1 to 2. It was a lot of work but well worth it. His life was saved and he is now with a family and very happy. He was a litter runt and the MOST stubborn animal I've met that wasn't an alpha. He nipped me a few times in the first month. I 'bit' him back. I could tell he had been hit.
A friend, whose dad was retired search and rescue, taught me a dominance technique: you face the dog, grab his skin folds on the chest really fast and lift until the back legs begin to come up. Then you drop the dog, somewhat gently, and wait. bobby, the cattle dog, would go into a learned defense mode. he ran around the room in circles (i believed he'd learned this to avoid beatings) and wouldn't stop unless I'd gently catch him by holding his chest (which was pounding) and rubbing and murmuring to him. Essentially, i would sooth him. I only did this technique with him maybe 6 times when it was warranted. It was clear to me he'd not been disciplined properly. I tended to do low-level dominance (like bumping him if he got in my way). He accepted my dominance gradually. I did the 'iron fist in a velvet glove' with him. I interacted with the dog, all day, every day, for 16 hours a day. I was strict but fair. Tough but gentle. He was/is an amazing animal. I still miss him and have nearly accepted that my role in his life was to make him fit for human and dog company.
Quick story: after I'd had him about 1 month he trusted me enough to let me touch him. I was rubbing him near where his shoulder came up near his spine and felt something strange. i began to check it out. He had crusty scarring that was nearly healed (it was very hard to see-u know what their coats are like). He reacted by going completely tense and he started to growl (not a normal one either-it was one of the most chilling vocalizations i have ever heard). I instantly knew that the painful memory of how he got the scar was right there in the room and that if i didn't respond correctly i could get mauled and killed. i grabbed his collar with lightning speed and said to him with complete faith and honesty: "no one will ever hurt you like that again." He went completely calm, back to normal and he never went to that place again. It was one of the most surreal experiences of my life. It was like seeing a 'kill' switch go 'off'.
When i gave him up it was like losing a son and brother at the same time. But i had to. Those dogs are the number one bite dog in OZ. They are everywhere down there and now here. They are fantastic dogs but need experienced and/or highly intuitive owners. I am a mix of both.
Thank you for listening.
I had a cattle dog. He was out of control when i got him from the family who had him.
I worked very hard to get him under my control from age 1 to 2. It was a lot of work but well worth it. His life was saved and he is now with a family and very happy. He was a litter runt and the MOST stubborn animal I've met that wasn't an alpha. He nipped me a few times in the first month. I 'bit' him back. I could tell he had been hit.
A friend, whose dad was retired search and rescue, taught me a dominance technique: you face the dog, grab his skin folds on the chest really fast and lift until the back legs begin to come up. Then you drop the dog, somewhat gently, and wait. bobby, the cattle dog, would go into a learned defense mode. he ran around the room in circles (i believed he'd learned this to avoid beatings) and wouldn't stop unless I'd gently catch him by holding his chest (which was pounding) and rubbing and murmuring to him. Essentially, i would sooth him. I only did this technique with him maybe 6 times when it was warranted. It was clear to me he'd not been disciplined properly. I tended to do low-level dominance (like bumping him if he got in my way). He accepted my dominance gradually. I did the 'iron fist in a velvet glove' with him. I interacted with the dog, all day, every day, for 16 hours a day. I was strict but fair. Tough but gentle. He was/is an amazing animal. I still miss him and have nearly accepted that my role in his life was to make him fit for human and dog company.
Quick story: after I'd had him about 1 month he trusted me enough to let me touch him. I was rubbing him near where his shoulder came up near his spine and felt something strange. i began to check it out. He had crusty scarring that was nearly healed (it was very hard to see-u know what their coats are like). He reacted by going completely tense and he started to growl (not a normal one either-it was one of the most chilling vocalizations i have ever heard). I instantly knew that the painful memory of how he got the scar was right there in the room and that if i didn't respond correctly i could get mauled and killed. i grabbed his collar with lightning speed and said to him with complete faith and honesty: "no one will ever hurt you like that again." He went completely calm, back to normal and he never went to that place again. It was one of the most surreal experiences of my life. It was like seeing a 'kill' switch go 'off'.
When i gave him up it was like losing a son and brother at the same time. But i had to. Those dogs are the number one bite dog in OZ. They are everywhere down there and now here. They are fantastic dogs but need experienced and/or highly intuitive owners. I am a mix of both.
Thank you for listening.
killemsoftly
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Rottweilers can do it too. Last year a guy who shouda known better (did not put a double door on his kennel) had his dogs get out. His son was mauled. I believe he died. Very foolish choice not to spend the time and money on a double fence. I am sure he wishes he did
killemsoftly
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You sir hit the nail on the head. it is a dirty little secret in the guard dog business: they euthanize dogs all the time. They bring out the dogs aggression, if they can't 'bring him/her down' they get isolated and then euthanized. we can't have aggressive dogs around that can't be controlled. sad but necessary
not to single out women but they seem to be some of the worst offenders. i tried to get one woman to understand that if she didn't act her doberman would push even further next time (it had pinned her hand with its teeth). i urged her to punch the dog in the ribs. She wouldn't. I never saw her again. she passed 'the problem' to someone else. this is why dogs are being put down at an alarming rate. the owners do not live up to their responsibility as alpha leader. the dog does not want the job. think of the confusion: you provide the food but leave it to them to decide? that is against the natural order. they love hierarchy. without it they feel 'chaos' and are very anxious.
true story: had to rough a guy up to set him straight. his dogs did nothing. why? they knew me and accepted i was alpha. my actions ,to the dogs, made complete sense. they never even moved let alone barked.
Morbid Angel
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Used to have one on my street when I was in grade 3 or 4. Fuckin thing would chase me down the block and bit me in the ass one time. Cops took care of those dogs and their owners.