Any Hockey Fans on RIU??

st0wandgrow

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While I am wholeheartedly rooting for the Bruins, this is hockey and any team can beat any other team on any given day, so I'm not gonna count the Wings out just yet. I haven't watched Zetterburg play a lot, but I know that he is a playmaker for the Wings. I see your point and agree that he would make a difference. And yes, the pens just aren't themselves when Crosby is out, but they have some depth that keeps them afloat while he recovers. That's the main thing I see lacking for the Wings...they have veteran leaders, they have playmaking stars, and they have a lot of youthful speed, but not too much depth yet. That team is gonna be a real contender in a couple years.

I can agree to disagree. And you are correct, I usually only see Datsyuk and Zetterburg play twice a year (and highlights of the magic), but now that they are in the East and division rivals to the Bruins, I'm sure I'm gonna be seeing a lot more of them in the coming years. Datsyuk is definitely among the elite, thats why the B's always have Chara on the ice with him, I just wouldn't rank him as high as you would. I'd say definitely top 5, but when you toss names like Lemieux, Gretzky, and Crosby in with Datsyuk...I think the gap between 1st and 5th becomes very marginal.

For sure. Don't get me wrong on Datsyuk ...... I'm not saying he's the best PLAYER ever. Not even close. He's not even the best player in the game right now let alone in the history of the league. I'm saying he has the best *hands* I've ever seen.

I don't know that I would even put him in the top 100 players of all time. He's very good, but he's no Wayne Gretzky. :-)
 

TryN

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My only comment about comparing great stars like Gretzky, Lemeiux, Neely, of yesterday and today; just imagine what their numbers would if they could have been able to play in a league in which they did NOT have to adhere to the 2 Line Pass rule!
 

st0wandgrow

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My only comment about comparing great stars like Gretzky, Lemeiux, Neely, of yesterday and today; just imagine what their numbers would if they could have been able to play in a league in which they did NOT have to adhere to the 2 Line Pass rule!
It's an interesting debate for sure! I had the privilege of playing with some guys that were around during the 80's where it was common to see players scoring 50, 60, 70 goals and putting up 150+ points in a season. This topic came up often on airplane rides home after a game, and listening to the likes of Paul Coffey, Ron Hextall, Patrick Roy, Dave Babych, etc talk about this there was a universal consensus ...... players of that era would not dominate in todays game like they did back then. Players today are bigger, stronger, faster, and more skilled than their predecessors, and the game is much faster and tighter checking than it was in the 70's and 80's. A player like Gretzky would likely still be the best player on the ice, but his stats and dominance would be more in line with what you see of the stars today. I tend to agree with that position FWIW.
 

TryN

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It's an interesting debate for sure! I had the privilege of playing with some guys that were around during the 80's where it was common to see players scoring 50, 60, 70 goals and putting up 150+ points in a season. This topic came up often on airplane rides home after a game, and listening to the likes of Paul Coffey, Ron Hextall, Patrick Roy, Dave Babych, etc talk about this there was a universal consensus ...... players of that era would not dominate in todays game like they did back then. Players today are bigger, stronger, faster, and more skilled than their predecessors, and the game is much faster and tighter checking than it was in the 70's and 80's. A player like Gretzky would likely still be the best player on the ice, but his stats and dominance would be more in line with what you see of the stars today. I tend to agree with that position FWIW.
Very well put! I have to agree! It is incredible to watch not only evolve but also its athletes!
 

chadster152

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For sure. Don't get me wrong on Datsyuk ...... I'm not saying he's the best PLAYER ever. Not even close. He's not even the best player in the game right now let alone in the history of the league. I'm saying he has the best *hands* I've ever seen.

I don't know that I would even put him in the top 100 players of all time. He's very good, but he's no Wayne Gretzky. :-)
I don't think anyone will ever be able to match Gretzky, the mold broke after he was made. Datsyuk certainly does make men look like children when he stick handles around/by/through them like it's nothing. Hopefully none of that shit happens tonight! Game 4 baby!
 

chadster152

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It's an interesting debate for sure! I had the privilege of playing with some guys that were around during the 80's where it was common to see players scoring 50, 60, 70 goals and putting up 150+ points in a season. This topic came up often on airplane rides home after a game, and listening to the likes of Paul Coffey, Ron Hextall, Patrick Roy, Dave Babych, etc talk about this there was a universal consensus ...... players of that era would not dominate in todays game like they did back then. Players today are bigger, stronger, faster, and more skilled than their predecessors, and the game is much faster and tighter checking than it was in the 70's and 80's. A player like Gretzky would likely still be the best player on the ice, but his stats and dominance would be more in line with what you see of the stars today. I tend to agree with that position FWIW.
I would have to agree as well...the rise in the level of competition along with the exposure of the NHL to big(er) money and publicity has bred a crop of insanely fit athletes that hone skills from a very young age. The development path that kids come up through to the NHL also helps to breed superior players when compared to guys who played pro hockey as a hobby and worked a normal job to make a living. I think this theory holds true for most sports.
 

TryN

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To everyone participating in this thread I want to say Thank You. This is an awesome thread, with some great, respectful, hockey talk!

Game 4 ... 8pm tonight!

Go B's!!!
 

st0wandgrow

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Not feeling very optimistic about the Wings chances tonight. Sounds like Zetterberg will play, but I would imagine his ice time will be limited. The Bruins are the better team. It would be nice if they could at least make a series out of it though ..... and if someone could take a run at Marchand that would be nice too! :-)
 

TryN

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I was listening to the local sports radio station here this morning and there was talk of Datsyuk and/or Kronwall possibly missing tonights game because their better halfs are pregnant and expecting any day now.

Should an NHL player miss a *playoff* game for the birth of his child?

I'm kinda tossed up over this one .....

http://www.mlive.com/redwings/index.ssf/2014/04/red_wings_expectant_fathers_pa.html
My stand on missing a game, any game, for the birth of a child, being ex-military, I agree with being there for your first, after that ... If possible, be there, but not necessary, just my opinion.
 
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chadster152

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Not feeling very optimistic about the Wings chances tonight. Sounds like Zetterberg will play, but I would imagine his ice time will be limited. The Bruins are the better team. It would be nice if they could at least make a series out of it though ..... and if someone could take a run at Marchand that would be nice too! :-)
With the Habs sweeping the Bolts, I'm hoping Boston closes this series out in 5 so they can rest a bit before the second round...We definitely don't need another 1st round 7 game series for the 4th straight season.

And didn't Brandon Smith already do that? hahaha Marchy is definitely a little bastard, he always seems to get under guys skin and make plays happen. Just don't injure him!
 

chadster152

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I was listening to the local sports radio station here this morning and there was talk of Datsyuk and/or Kronwall possibly missing tonights game because their better halfs are pregnant and expecting any day now.

Should an NHL player miss a *playoff* game for the birth of his child?

I'm kinda tossed up over this one .....

http://www.mlive.com/redwings/index.ssf/2014/04/red_wings_expectant_fathers_pa.html
I think the answer differs depending on the situation...

If it's the regular season and you aren't on the verge of missing playoffs due to that one game, then it's not a question...you miss the game and be with your family.

If it's a playoff game and your team has a lead...you miss the game and be with your family.

If your team might be eliminated that night from playoffs (regular season or a deciding game in a series)...you suck it up, and play for your teammates and team.

If you are losing a series 2-1, with the possibility to either tie or drop back to 3-1 where you will most likely eliminated...then I think you suck it up, play the game for your team and teammates, and then rush to the hospital afterwards.

It's tough deciding between seeing your child born and playing in the playoffs, but when you are one of the best players on your team and your team needs you...I think you need to look past yourself and show your commitment to the team.
 

dux

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Go wild !! If it wasn't for varlamov these last 2 games the wild would make Colorado look silly ...
Don't worry, I know how hockey playoffs can be so I'm getting too cocky yet..:bigjoint:
 
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