This disease is racist!!

[kelly4]

Johnny Cash was a better rapper than Eminem is.

I'm still kicking myself for not seeing Johnny live.

 

[Red1966]

Fact - Human genetics vary from race to race.

That is all.

Human genetics vary from person to person.

 

[kelly4]

Johnny Cash would have kicked M&M's ass in a fist fight.

 

[abandonconflict]

I don't believe you actually think that's true. You're a smart guy, Johnny Cash is talented, and I love a lot of his songs, but he is not a better rapper than Eminem.

First off, Johnny Cash invented rap. Revisit his music and listen to the master recite poems.

Secondly, Eminem is terrible. His voice is annoying and his lyrics are all about stupid crap.

 

[sheskunk]

 

[Ceepea]

Johnny Cash would have kicked M&M's ass in a fist fight.

I bet 8 mile was like living in Beverly Hills.

lol

 

[abandonconflict]

I'm still kicking myself for not seeing Johnny live.

If you had the chance and passed it up, shame on you.

 

[UncleBuck]

Yet the Klan was nearly 100% Democrat, Abe Lincoln was a Republican, the Democrat party opposed the Civil Rights Act and Democrats have fooled millions pretending they "care".

the civil rights act was opposed among geographic lines more than party lines.

southerners like you opposed (and still oppose) the act, while northerners voted in favor (and still do).

racists took up the republican cause. see jesse helms and others.

 

[Ceepea]

First off, Johnny Cash invented rap. Revisit his music and listen to the master recite poems.

I vehemently disagree. Spoken word poetry predates Johnny Cash, and Johnny Cash, IMO, wasn't that good at it anyway.I like Johnny Cash because of his lyrics, not because of his rhythm. Rap is as much about the flow, as it is the lyrics, IMO.

Secondly, Eminem is terrible. His voice is annoying and his lyrics are all about stupid crap.

Personal preference. I like his voice fine, and his lyrics amusing. His flow is rhythmically innovative.

 

[kelly4]

I bet 8 mile was like living in Beverly Hills.

lol

Beverly Hills?

The family cotton farm was not in BH. He was 5 when he had to start picking. Poor Marshall...

 

[BigNBushy]

What my problem is with your analysis, is that you think there are definitive 'brackets' that races can be generalized into, based on really shitty experiment and a ton of uncontrolled variables.

No person who actually cares about providing a scientifically valid statement, would base their beliefs off a faulty or incomplete data set.

EDIT: wait, do you think greed is genetic?

I think that these tests are good indicators, and by themselves they are incomplete and faulty.

But there are a lot of them.

Take intelligence and aptitude tests.

No one can be difinitive. But if you look at them in the aggregate, you see patterns and trends. In all of these tests, the mean for African Americans is a little over one standard deviation below the white mean. It works for pretty much every test there is. It is the sociological constant, like light speed is to physics.

To me, however, living life is the biggest and best iq test there is.

I heard something on the Bill Maher show last night. That African American households have 1/6 the wealth that white households have, per capita.

That ratio sounded familiar to me. Turns out with IQ tests, and all other tests, only 1 in 6 African Americans score at or above the white mean score.

 

[Ceepea]

I think that these tests are good indicators, and by themselves they are incomplete and faulty.

But there are a lot of them.

Take intelligence and aptitude tests.

No one can be difinitive. But if you look at them in the aggregate, you see patterns and trends. In all of these tests, the mean for African Americans is a little over one standard deviation below the white mean. It works for pretty much every test there is. It is the sociological constant, like light speed is to physics.

To me, however, living life is the biggest and best iq test there is.

I heard something on the Bill Maher show last night. That African American households have 1/6 the wealth that white households have, per capita.

That ratio sounded familiar to me. Turns out with IQ tests, and all other tests, only 1 in 6 African Americans score at or above the white mean score.

So, you hear something about income, and form a correlation to intelligence based on.... nothing. lol

Do you see the problem here? You jump to conclusions.

 

[UncleBuck]

It is the sociological constant, like light speed is to physics.

failure on a massive scale.

To me, however, living life is the biggest and best iq test there is.

then you are a rousing failure, even with the massive advantage of white privilege and a wealthy family.

black-you would have been busted stealing from walmart, and no-wealthy-family-you would have left you trying to feed your dope addiction from within four very confined walls.

 

[Ceepea]

Beverly Hills?

The family cotton farm was not in BH. He was 5 when he had to start picking. Poor Marshall...

Oh, I wasn't saying JC lived in Beverly Hills growing up, I was making a comparison to 8 mile and BH, and the differences in standard of living.

Eminem was a white rapper living in a really bad black neighbourhood. I can't say who'd win for sure, but I most definitely can't claim JC would win. He was a drug addict, that weighted like 140lbs at one point.

Who knows...

 

[abandonconflict]

I vehemently disagree. Spoken word poetry predates Johnny Cash, and Johnny Cash, IMO, wasn't that good at it anyway.I like Johnny Cash because of his lyrics, not because of his rhythm. Rap is as much about the flow, as it is the lyrics, IMO.



Personal preference. I like his voice fine, and his lyrics amusing. His flow is rhythmically innovative.

Eminem makes music specifically to appeal to idiots.

 

[BigNBushy]

So, you hear something about income, and form a correlation to intelligence based on.... nothing. lol

Do you see the problem here? You jump to conclusions.

So you don't think that if you put 100 people on an island , distributed some currency evenly, and gave them 10 years, that at the end of that time the smartest ones would have the most money?

 

[Ceepea]

Eminem makes music specifically to appeal to idiots.

Think what you want. I disagree. Just because his music appeals to a large number of poeple doesn't mean it's for idiots.

I did 18 years of Royal conservatory piano lessons, attended University on a music scholarship, and was in 3 Honor Jazz bands/ensembles, and I find merit in some of his music.

 

[Ceepea]

So you don't think that if you put 100 people on an island , distributed some currency evenly, and gave them 10 years, that at the end of that time the smartest ones would have the most money?

I think that if you took 10 people from birth, trained them equally in a variety of things, and put them on an island alone, different people would accel at different things.

If you took 1,000,000 people, gave them all the same training and upbringing, and put them on an island to survive, you might be able to garner something from ability to adapt.

 

[abandonconflict]

Think what you want. I disagree. Just because his music appeals to a large number of poeple doesn't mean it's for idiots.

I did 18 years of Royal conservatory piano lessons, attended University on a music scholarship, and was in 3 Honor Jazz bands/ensembles, and I find merit in some of his music.

Notice how you have to make your opinion out to be an appeal to authority. One only needs ears to know music, not all of the training you have sought.

The fact that his dissonance appeals to many is not evidence that it is made for idiots. The fact that it appeals to many is evidence that there are many idiots.

 

[Ceepea]

Notice how you have to make your opinion out to be an appeal to authority. One only needs ears to know music, not all of the training you have sought.

The fact that his dissonance appeals to many is not evidence that it is made for idiots. The fact that it appeals to many is evidence that there are many idiots.

Dissonance is a tool used in music. The strongest resolution is the smallest step, and the longer you make someone wait for the resolution the stronger the satisfaction when you get it.

Eminem's music isn't even dissonant. He uses mostly mainstream chords and chord structure..... If you want dissonance listen to jazz.