LED LIGHTS THE ACTUAL TRUTH!

[HolyGhost23]

ive been on this forum for a while now. its been quite some time since ive visited. while away from the arts of growing i went to school and learned a few things ill explain why all those multi-colour(3 band,5 band,ect) led lights are bullshit.
plants as we know like sun light and anything close to it. now back when i was a boy people were using something called mercury vapour lights to grow.. this was before HPS was around..(hints at my age) we had them up to 400Ws or at least that was the biggest i could find.. they did the job pretty well.. you could choose from 2700k or 5000K..

that being said people have been using white light since the start to grow our plants.. its worked with awesome results under HID lights.. of course im a solid believer that nothing beats the sun.. its brighter than anything.. but you can imitate it at least a little bit. plants are evolved to accept white light. its as simple as that. they use all spectrum's of light for development. having so called designated bands for plants is mostly crap. we hardly even know what exactly the plant does with photosynthesis . and to judge what a plant requires is just dumb.

ive seen what id say would be the best so called official grow light and i am by no means associated with this company, it just that they have done their research and came to same results that i have. they have a good reason why its all white

http://a51led.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=65&products_id=181

if you look around on that website it explains why its all white and what they had before.. that company even started with the popular purple looking light scam.

but for me and probably you as well.. 500 bucks is a bit steep for a closet grow...

now for lumens. the truth is. there is no such thing as too much.. if anyone ever said that about LED lights they are full of shit. what the problem is. is that the plant is lacking certain colour ratios and is stunting from that. it is not because of too much light intensity. HEAT is a problem though, that will burn and stunt plants.

with all of this being said it comes down to wtf to buy. and im not trying to push a stupid product down your neck im trying to be honest and put aside crap so we can grow cheaply and efficiently. without stupidly high markup and scams. you can choose to believe me or not but the lights im gonna post on here will work wonders and you can choose to go up in wattage this is just the best bang for the buck i could find on the whole internet.. and for LED lights im showing you, growing every 50W of light is about the same as 200W HPS. NOTE: you might have to wire your own plug end onto the light.. its not all that hard.. and if your really unsure about doing it. take it to a hardware store and ask someone to do it for you. also you can get different colour temps 3700K and 5000K so warm and daylight basically.. Id suggest one of each and with the prices that are there why the hell not.. its no 500 bucks thats for sure.. and youll get good results.. ill be growing with these lights myself maybe even use the 150Ws.. and ill put the journal on here

http://www.myled.com/p6207-ip66-led-flood-light-50w-4500-5000lm-1-pcs-intergrated-warm-white-black-ac85-265v.html


you can choose to take my word or not. but I think what im saying is the truth. and its going to be hard to prove otherwise..

 

[Positivity]

Cool..let's see a grow. This is groundbreaking stuff

 

[stardustsailor]

ive been on this forum for a while now. its been quite some time since ive visited. while away from the arts of growing i went to school and learned a few things ill explain why all those multi-colour(3 band,5 band,ect) led lights are bullshit.
plants as we know like sun light and anything close to it. now back when i was a boy people were using something called mercury vapour lights to grow.. this was before HPS was around..(hints at my age) we had them up to 400Ws or at least that was the biggest i could find.. they did the job pretty well.. you could choose from 2700k or 5000K..

that being said people have been using white light since the start to grow our plants.. its worked with awesome results under HID lights.. of course im a solid believer that nothing beats the sun.. its brighter than anything.. but you can imitate it at least a little bit. plants are evolved to accept white light. its as simple as that. they use all spectrum's of light for development. having so called designated bands for plants is mostly crap. we hardly even know what exactly the plant does with photosynthesis . and to judge what a plant requires is just dumb.

ive seen what id say would be the best so called official grow light and i am by no means associated with this company, it just that they have done their research and came to same results that i have. they have a good reason why its all white

http://a51led.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=65&products_id=181

if you look around on that website it explains why its all white and what they had before.. that company even started with the popular purple looking light scam.

but for me and probably you as well.. 500 bucks is a bit steep for a closet grow...

now for lumens. the truth is. there is no such thing as too much.. if anyone ever said that about LED lights they are full of shit. what the problem is. is that the plant is lacking certain colour ratios and is stunting from that. it is not because of too much light intensity. HEAT is a problem though, that will burn and stunt plants.

with all of this being said it comes down to wtf to buy. and im not trying to push a stupid product down your neck im trying to be honest and put aside crap so we can grow cheaply and efficiently. without stupidly high markup and scams. you can choose to believe me or not but the lights im gonna post on here will work wonders and you can choose to go up in wattage this is just the best bang for the buck i could find on the whole internet.. and for LED lights im showing you, growing every 50W of light is about the same as 200W HPS. NOTE: you might have to wire your own plug end onto the light.. its not all that hard.. and if your really unsure about doing it. take it to a hardware store and ask someone to do it for you. also you can get different colour temps 3700K and 5000K so warm and daylight basically.. Id suggest one of each and with the prices that are there why the hell not.. its no 500 bucks thats for sure.. and youll get good results.. ill be growing with these lights myself maybe even use the 150Ws.. and ill put the journal on here

http://www.myled.com/p6207-ip66-led-flood-light-50w-4500-5000lm-1-pcs-intergrated-warm-white-black-ac85-265v.html


you can choose to take my word or not. but I think what im saying is the truth. and its going to be hard to prove otherwise..

HG23,I've been and still am ,a true believer of what you're claiming .
I also trust ,that I was one of the few first DIYers/growers,who tried several ' all-white' grows ,
utilising different types of white leds at different ratios .Thing is I've used almost always cheap asian leds .
They did ok ,though .
But nowdays ?
With the awesome CXAs & Veros ,around ?

Yes,I agree ..

Monochrome multiband led grow lights ,is history ...
And truly a 'dark chapter' ,regarding leds in horticulture ...
A handfull of boasting 'We-know-everything-Period' 'scientists' ,made (almost) the whole world believe ,
that all the light plants need is just red and blue ...
And they can 'thrive' under that .
BS
(...there has to be some 'funds' that exchanged hands ,under the table ,IYKWIM ....)

So, yes ...
White light ...
No more,no less...
It has been the ....'top secret' ..that works like cream , for millions of years,now...
Purple,my @$$....

 

[Positivity]

One thing about white leds..which I support 100%....is that you don't start seeing the benefits until you use a quality, efficient, well cooled setup. Not all whites work great..stick with what's known to work. Low kelvin..high lumen..top bin. Discount Chinese isn't usually a satisfying option.

And some good has come of mono setups I think. Found some attributes of each color...It will give the ability to tweak the white spectrum to your liking...at least until a really great "agro" white becomes available..

 

[mud1m]

Ive been researching growing for almost 20 years and the most successful grow I have seen was with an LED. Its not about the whites. Its about the light rays. Research furthur. LED is the future. Just my 2 cents. Thanks!

 

[Jbone77]

Ok, here we go again, 50 led watts is equal to 200 hps watts? Show me any led grow where 250 watts yields a pound n a half(1000 hps), a 150 that pulls a pound (600hps), a 100 that pulls 12 ozs (400 hps). These are the dumb statements that make led look bad.

 

[Commander Strax]

the truth finally, thank you

 

[Chronikool]

ive been on this forum for a while now. its been quite some time since ive visited. while away from the arts of growing i went to school and learned a few things ill explain why all those multi-colour(3 band,5 band,ect) led lights are bullshit.
plants as we know like sun light and anything close to it. now back when i was a boy people were using something called mercury vapour lights to grow.. this was before HPS was around..(hints at my age) we had them up to 400Ws or at least that was the biggest i could find.. they did the job pretty well.. you could choose from 2700k or 5000K..

that being said people have been using white light since the start to grow our plants.. its worked with awesome results under HID lights.. of course im a solid believer that nothing beats the sun.. its brighter than anything.. but you can imitate it at least a little bit. plants are evolved to accept white light. its as simple as that. they use all spectrum's of light for development. having so called designated bands for plants is mostly crap. we hardly even know what exactly the plant does with photosynthesis . and to judge what a plant requires is just dumb.

ive seen what id say would be the best so called official grow light and i am by no means associated with this company, it just that they have done their research and came to same results that i have. they have a good reason why its all white

http://a51led.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=65&products_id=181

if you look around on that website it explains why its all white and what they had before.. that company even started with the popular purple looking light scam.

but for me and probably you as well.. 500 bucks is a bit steep for a closet grow...

now for lumens. the truth is. there is no such thing as too much.. if anyone ever said that about LED lights they are full of shit. what the problem is. is that the plant is lacking certain colour ratios and is stunting from that. it is not because of too much light intensity. HEAT is a problem though, that will burn and stunt plants.

with all of this being said it comes down to wtf to buy. and im not trying to push a stupid product down your neck im trying to be honest and put aside crap so we can grow cheaply and efficiently. without stupidly high markup and scams. you can choose to believe me or not but the lights im gonna post on here will work wonders and you can choose to go up in wattage this is just the best bang for the buck i could find on the whole internet.. and for LED lights im showing you, growing every 50W of light is about the same as 200W HPS. NOTE: you might have to wire your own plug end onto the light.. its not all that hard.. and if your really unsure about doing it. take it to a hardware store and ask someone to do it for you. also you can get different colour temps 3700K and 5000K so warm and daylight basically.. Id suggest one of each and with the prices that are there why the hell not.. its no 500 bucks thats for sure.. and youll get good results.. ill be growing with these lights myself maybe even use the 150Ws.. and ill put the journal on here

http://www.myled.com/p6207-ip66-led-flood-light-50w-4500-5000lm-1-pcs-intergrated-warm-white-black-ac85-265v.html


you can choose to take my word or not. but I think what im saying is the truth. and its going to be hard to prove otherwise..

Hey Holyghost...i have used those 50w multichips (in enclosure) you are linking....and while they work....i would go with the crees cxa series or bridgelux veros that stardustsailor was talking about... Better spectrum and efficiency. You are on the right track though.

 

[Mellodrama]

50W electrical consumption, and nothing but a passive heatsink on the back? I'd be concerned about temperatures at the diode.

 

[DCobeen]

a51 changed to white. while apache had white led's from the beginning. a51 was smart enough to change.
im watching a at600 led all white go against a 1000 watt top of the ling everything and its a close contest right now. the at600 puts out 685 watts the 1000 puts out 1045 i believe. here is the side by side check it out all. a couple weeks left is all.
https://www.rollitup.org/p/10445768/

 

[hyroot]

I wouldn't say 50w of led is equal to 200 w of hps. more like 50 watts of led is equal 100-125 watts of hps. you can certainly get a pound with 310 watts of led. Its already been done on this section with a51 several times.

a51 and apache imo are equal in performance with similar power draw and output. watt for watt +/-. the astirs have been using whites since the beginning with low quality parts and pulled awesome results as well

 

[Jbone77]

I wouldn't say 50w of led is equal to 200 w of hps. more like 50 watts of led is equal 100-125 watts of hps. you can certainly get a pound with 310 watts of led. Its already been done on this section with a51 several times.

a51 and apache imo are equal in performance with similar power draw and output. watt for watt +/-. the astirs have been using whites since the beginning with low quality parts and pulled awesome results as well

So we can agree that the op and everyone who agreed with him is crazy and that 50 led watts is in no way equivalent to 200 hid watts, cool, but now I dont agree with you, 50 watts of led is equivalent to 100 watts of hid? So greengeenes side by side is flawed? He is runnin 680 led watts vs 1100(roughly on each)hid watts and the hid is clearly heavier. Where is this mysterious grow where 500 led watts beats 1000 hid watts? Led is roughly 15-20% more efficient, not 50% as you say and 75% that the op claims. I am willing to admit when im wrong so please supply the link where a store bought 500 actual watt led beats a store bought 1000 watt hid that was done by a competent grower. That grow does not exist, a 600 led will beat a 600 hid, a 600 watt led will not beat 1000 hid watts. Greengeenes journal is the best comparison grow here and makes all these arguments obsolete.

 

[puffenuff]

Ok, here we go again, 50 led watts is equal to 200 hps watts? Show me any led grow where 250 watts yields a pound n a half(1000 hps), a 150 that pulls a pound (600hps), a 100 that pulls 12 ozs (400 hps). These are the dumb statements that make led look bad.

I must be terrible at growing if this is what most growers get.. I know these HPS numbers are obtainable, however, I dont think they represent the average grower.

I wouldn't say 50w of led is equal to 200 w of hps. more like 50 watts of led is equal 100-125 watts of hps. you can certainly get a pound with 310 watts of led. Its already been done on this section with a51 several times.

My memory must be slipping. I don't recall anyone hitting a pound.

But I think I agree that the whole fraction of led equals hps thing should go away. As a matter of fact, so should grams per watt and all these other measurements that people inflate and worry over when they can't match it.

I'm still not sure that all white is necessarily the truth. There's all kinds of unfounded claims and theories floating around as to what is the best, but nothing concrete. I am able to see advantages on both sides of the fence and have yet to see where one approach is obviously better than the other.

To the original poster's point, yes, three and five band spectrums are not as ideal as a broader spectrum. But that's not to say there is no merit to including other peak NM's in a mix that includes white.

 

[spazatak]

why does the hans panel perform so well?

 

[RedCarpetMatches]

Area 51 is legit...even the ol' 160s do a great job in bloom. I'm covering a 24" x 30" area just fine with one panel.

 

[stardustsailor]

why does the hans panel perform so well?

Cause they are used ,usually in low wattages (umols ) ...
At low irradiances,it's been proved ,that most higher plants ,indeed ,can do only with
red supplied with some blue wavelengths ....
But as irradiance increases ,things change a lot ...

I want to see a grow with 300-400 Watts (or more ) with those panels ....
And compare it with one CXA 3000K grow ,of same wattage ...

I'm betting ,that there the difference is going to show ...

 

[PetFlora]

I must be terrible at growing if this is what most growers get.. I know these HPS numbers are obtainable, however, I dont think they represent the average grower.



My memory must be slipping. I don't recall anyone hitting a pound.

But I think I agree that the whole fraction of led equals hps thing should go away. As a matter of fact, so should grams per watt and all these other measurements that people inflate and worry over when they can't match it.

I'm still not sure that all white is necessarily the truth. There's all kinds of unfounded claims and theories floating around as to what is the best, but nothing concrete. I am able to see advantages on both sides of the fence and have yet to see where one approach is obviously better than the other.

To the original poster's point, yes, three and five band spectrums are not as ideal as a broader spectrum. But that's not to say there is no merit to including other peak NM's in a mix that includes white.

I think people fail to take into account- The Farmers Almanac, which teaches growing by planting seeds in the Spring and harvesting in the Fall. There's more to it than that, like temps and RH during veg, and lack thereof or lower during flower

Keep in mind tomorrow's leds will be much more efficient than today's, which are already pretty good

Also, 100% of led is directed to the canopy. The ~ 50% reflected light from a hps probably doesn't account for much to the canopy.

Based on this, and quality led cobs, not 3w diodes, half the wattage is closer to fact than you realize

 

[PSUAGRO.]

Cause they are used ,usually in low wattages (umols ) ...
At low irradiances,it's been proved ,that most higher plants ,indeed ,can do only with
red supplied with some blue wavelengths ....
But as irradiance increases ,things change a lot ...

I want to see a grow with 300-400 Watts (or more ) with those panels ....
And compare it with one CXA 3000K grow ,of same wattage ...

I'm betting ,that there the difference is going to show ...

I'll take that ^^ bet .........don't forget Hans has been growing cannabis with leds longer than any of us by years. He built his panels to be one of the most efficient per watt consumed. most of the burden fell on the cree XP-e 630 nm, which by todays standards its still one if the best umol/joule.

NOTHING on the market can cover a 4x4 flower area with 260watts for a thousand dollars shipped.
Dutch grower got 365 grams dry with that setup......I know of zero 250w hps grows getting those #s without a light mover.

their is a reason why he won't use a primarily"white"spectrum, he still does allot of R&D btw.......

Growers want Results not theories......that's why people love hid.

 

[RedCarpetMatches]

Nothing beats a 315w Agro CMH Don't hate Psu. Talk about the closest thing to sun.

 

[PSUAGRO.]

Nothing beats a 315w Agro CMH Don't hate Psu. Talk about the closest thing to sun.

Nothing beats a 315w Agro CMH Don't hate Psu. Talk about the closest thing to sun.

Nothing beats a 315w Agro CMH Don't hate Psu. Talk about the closest thing to sun.

How many^^ times are you gonna say it red ? Lol.....my Pos phone is going in for an upgrade......can't fucking take it anymore.....

You know I love that bulb.......btw why did your party cup look like it was grown under an incandescent though?