LED LIGHTS THE ACTUAL TRUTH!

PSUAGRO.

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Whites. Monos. Bic Lighters. What does it matter as long as your getting what you want. My question is why would you ignore an entire set of tools at your disposal? Ego? The need to be right? Fuck that shit, I use both.
PEACE!
Nice!......I'm surprised to see you participating in a thread started by someone with a Hitler avatar!=-O

just saying
 

Silky Shagsalot

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Ive been researching growing for almost 20 years and the most successful grow I have seen was with an LED.
what's your definition of successful? i'm so tired of this whole led argument. i've yet to see "any," led grow, that could hold a candle to hid. please, give me a link to a led grow that has a plant with several foot long colas, like countless hid grows i've seen, and done...
 

captainmorgan

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spazatak

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what's your definition of successful? i'm so tired of this whole led argument. i've yet to see "any," led grow, that could hold a candle to hid. please, give me a link to a led grow that has a plant with several foot long colas, like countless hid grows i've seen, and done...
and here you find yourself in the led forum... for what?


got any pics of the several foot colas that you've done?
 

captainmorgan

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what's your definition of successful? i'm so tired of this whole led argument. i've yet to see "any," led grow, that could hold a candle to hid. please, give me a link to a led grow that has a plant with several foot long colas, like countless hid grows i've seen, and done...
Here you go,I grew this with some Home Depot LED bulbs. One of 8 colas from one mainlined plant.

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Jbone77

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Nice!......I'm surprised to see you participating in a thread started by someone with a Hitler avatar!=-O

just
and here you find yourself in the led forum... for what?


got any pics of the several foot colas that you've done?
I like how the hid guy gets jumped for talkin shit but nobody says anything to the op for saying led is 75% more efficient than hid, thats good shit. im guessing this thread will get at least a dozen people trying to replace a 1000 hid with a 250 led and then saying wtf, I only harvested 6 ozs. Carry on boys, gonna put my boots on, shits gettin deep around here.
 

spazatak

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I like how the hid guy gets jumped for talkin shit but nobody says anything to the op for saying led is 75% more efficient than hid, thats good shit. im guessing this thread will get at least a dozen people trying to replace a 1000 hid with a 250 led and then saying wtf, I only harvested 6 ozs. Carry on boys, gonna put my boots on, shits gettin deep around here.
AS far as what the OP says.. I think with most... including myself, just turn a blind eye to the nonsense of what is proclaimed...but if you are going to come in and bash LED lighting in a LED lighting specified forum then of course you are going to encounter opposition... the slightest bit of common sense would indicate that.


if you dont like the lighting method then fair enough... the question must still be asked why come into a led lighting sub forum?
 

Jbone77

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AS far as what the OP says.. I think with most... including myself, just turn a blind eye to the nonsense of what is proclaimed...but if you are going to come in and bash LED lighting in a LED lighting specified forum then of course you are going to encounter opposition... the slightest bit of common sense would indicate that.


if you dont like the lighting method then fair enough... the question must still be asked why come into a led lighting sub forum?
im actually here for the diy talk and for 1 other thread, if you led guys would tell other led guys to stop making dumb claims like a 250 led equals a 1000 hid im guessing the hid guys would have nothing to talk shit about. I may be wrong but I dunno
 

spazatak

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im actually here for the diy talk and for 1 other thread, if you led guys would tell other led guys to stop making dumb claims like a 250 led equals a 1000 hid im guessing the hid guys would have nothing to talk shit about. I may be wrong but I dunno
we are all here for the same thing.... its kind of petty both sides...


the LED exaggeration and the HID mucho BS.


personally I hold no grudges for guys using whatever light they want but Im not taking the fight up to the idiots who sprout false claims about LEDS capabilities... it seems the HID gets their jimmies rustled about this where as most of us just ignore it...
 

Jbone77

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we are all here for the same thing.... its kind of petty both sides...


the LED exaggeration and the HID mucho BS.


personally I hold no grudges for guys using whatever light they want but Im not taking the fight up to the idiots who sprout false claims about LEDS capabilities... it seems the HID gets their jimmies rustled about this where as most of us just ignore it...
well you are posting in a thread based on false claims and the only guy you call out is the hid guy who called bullshit. Just sayin. The guy who started the thread is full of shit, the people that supported his claims are full of shit, and the next newbie that buys into that bullshit will be nothing but disappointed. Call bullshit both ways and newbies wont burn there money by believing this kind of dribble. Watt for watt led is better in a conventional overhead grow, thats it, its not 50% more efficient and certainly not 75%, but watt for watt its a better choice, aside from the initial investment of course.
 

vladimiroslav

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Cause they are used ,usually in low wattages (umols ) ...
At low irradiances,it's been proved ,that most higher plants ,indeed ,can do only with
red supplied with some blue wavelengths ....
But as irradiance increases ,things change a lot ...

I want to see a grow with 300-400 Watts (or more ) with those panels ....
And compare it with one CXA 3000K grow ,of same wattage ...

I'm betting ,that there the difference is going to show ...


I'll take that ^^ bet;-) .........don't forget Hans has been growing cannabis with leds longer than any of us by years. He built his panels to be one of the most efficient per watt consumed. most of the burden fell on the cree XP-e 630 nm, which by todays standards its still one if the best umol/joule.

NOTHING on the market can cover a 4x4 flower area with 260watts for a thousand dollars shipped.
Dutch grower got 365 grams dry with that setup......I know of zero 250w hps grows getting those #s without a light mover.

their is a reason why he won't use a primarily"white"spectrum, he still does allot of R&D btw.......

Growers want Results not theories......that's why people love hid.

Right now I have a room with 370 watts of Hans panels. 3x80 +2x65. Im a relatively new grower with not much experience and mostly because Im running a perpetual of different strains I cant give any numbers about how much yield I can get in a full space & single session, but the last plant I did cut (3 weeks veg from seed + 10 weeks flower) in a 3 gal pot gave me 28g dry. I can put 12 x 3gal pots like that in my work area wich is 4x3 feet in a 4x4 tent. That means I potentially could yield around 330g, almost 1g/watt, if I choose to grow the same strain.

Id like to have one more 65w Hans panel, it would make 6 total and I feel like its what it needs to perfectly cover a 4x4 tent (maybe you could get away with 4x80). Potential yield: 16 pots x 25-30g = 400-480g for 435 watts of leds. I think that with defoliation and longer vegged plants you can easily hit the 500g mark.

I have to finish what I growing right now but I'm willing to make a single strain test right after my summer break in august. Cant do it before though... but maybe by that time the OP will finish his test and I'll get another Hans so the test will be even better: 3x80 + 3x65 in a 4x4 space. 435 watts total, 27-28 watts/square feet.

That would be nice to see the difference between the OP test and mine. My set up costs already around 900€/1250$, 1100€/1500$ if I get one more panel to make 6. If the OP can get similar results with its lights for a quarter/fifth/sixth of the price at the same wattage, then all is said... He would need 8 of those lights to make 400w vs 435w of Hans, or lets say 9 at 450 watts, for a price of 250€/350$.

How much would that make in Astir panels? Anyone has enough and willing to do the test? Wondering what the yield difference would be between the 3.
 

hyroot

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im actually here for the diy talk and for 1 other thread, if you led guys would tell other led guys to stop making dumb claims like a 250 led equals a 1000 hid im guessing the hid guys would have nothing to talk shit about. I may be wrong but I dunno
I love how you make up so called claims. Not one person on here has ever said a 250w led equals a 1000w. Everyone has said 500-600w or 600-700 watts of led equal a 1000w. Now with that said. People should be pulling 2 lbs under 600w of led or a 1000w of hps. Or 1 pound with 310w of led or 600w of hps with high yielding strains and optimal environment of course. The cola captain showed ^^^^ came from just under a half pound yield from 190w of home depot Cree leds
 
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