Confused by nutes and schedules

[cottee]

If you have to get a meter get a PH ometer. PH levels are far more important than EC readings because you can feed low strength and not get nute burn. The PH levels can swing especially if you are using tap water with a high TDS(hard water). If you really cannot afford any meter just start with 1/4 strength and never go above half the recommended dose for the duration of the grow. In my opinion you should have started in soil it is a lot more forgiving and meters do help but are not totally necessary in soil medium.

Defo ph pen Is an absolute must

 

[cottee]

As far as nutrients go I would suggest dyna grow. It is cheap and it contains everything you need.

I've heard good things about dyna grow. Can u get in the uk? Had a look the other day a couldn't find ne

 

[teknival]

I don't think you can actually.. I know you can get it in Holland though. I guess just stick with Canna. I love their Rhizotonic. It is definitely one of the best products out there. As far as base nutrients go Dyna gro is the best. Everything comes in one bottle pretty much except for the the Protekt(silica additive) which is also a great PH up. I use RO water in Coco and I haven't used PH up or PH down at all during this grow. The PH almost always goes to 5.6

check out my grow https://www.rollitup.org/t/4x4-1000-watt-hso-sour-blueberry-and-blue-dream-grow.814279/page-3

 

[cottee]

I don't think you can actually.. I know you can get it in Holland though. I guess just stick with Canna. I love their Rhizotonic. It is definitely one of the best products out there. As far as base nutrients go Dyna gro is the best. Everything comes in one bottle pretty much except for the the Protekt(silica additive) which is also a great PH up. I use RO water in Coco and I haven't used PH up or PH down at all during this grow. The PH almost always goes to 5.6

check out my grow https://www.rollitup.org/t/4x4-1000-watt-hso-sour-blueberry-and-blue-dream-grow.814279/page-3

I just bought some cheap potassium silicate and am gonna start using. Can't get protekt over hear. potassium silicate is potassium silicate I guess. I'm worried about it killing my bennies though. It says to put 0.5 ml per l in but I think il just start at 0.3 to be safe. Du know if it kills bennies? Seen some conflicting reports. Du use through veg and flower?

 

[teknival]

I just bought some cheap potassium silicate and am gonna start using. Can't get protekt over hear. potassium silicate is potassium silicate I guess. I'm worried about it killing my bennies though. It says to put 0.5 ml per l in but I think il just start at 0.3 to be safe. Du know if it kills bennies? Seen some conflicting reports. Du use through veg and flower?

I have no idea idea I have never heard about about silica killing beneficial bacteria. I am defintely gonna check that out though. I used voodoo juice so I am hoping the silica didn't kill them or buying them would have been a waste of money. I am using the protekt thoughout veg and flower. Where did you get your potassium silicate from ?

 

[bird mcbride]

Vinegar?

 

[teknival]

I just found this thread and the consensus seems to be that it doesn't kill beneficials. I dont think it would either. Plus it is a very important if not necessary compound for plant development.
https://www.rollitup.org/t/does-silica-kill-beneficials.650469/

 

[tip top toker]

Because I don't want to burn them in the first place dude

Knowing the EC of your mix does not in any way mean you wont burn them in the first place if it is a new strain. It gives you little more info than simply knowing the amount you put in the water by ml's

 

[FlashBabylon]

Yea u just put the rock wall straight into the coco. 2ml is a bit too much for there first feed. If I were u I would give them a weaker feed and water them again I would have started on 0.5 ml per liter and work my way up. So if I fed them 0.5 ml when they had dried up a bit I would(5-7days roughly) I would give them 1 ml on the next feed and so on. I don't go above 2.5 ml per liter of a&b in veg. Don't rush them with the nutes and make the mistake of over feeding. As for the rhizo tonic I give them the full 4ml per liter for the first couple of weeks. As for the run off personally I'm not to bothered about it when then on weaker doses in the small pots because I don't like the coco to be to saturated because the root won't grow as good if it's soggy all the time.

Cr4p! Explained the situation to the bloke in shop and he suggested 2ml.

Should I flush?

Just spent an hour and a half going back and forwards with 10 litre watering cans then pumping out the waste back to cans to take downstairs and drain, but if I need to flush this stupid mistake out again, I will!

HAHA! I was just about to go and panic and flush em and I re-read what you said. I used 2 ml in TEN litres not one! Phew!

 

[cottee]

Knowing the EC of your mix does not in any way mean you wont burn them in the first place if it is a new strain. It gives you little more info than simply knowing the amount you put in the water by ml's

Like I said I try out different pk boosters and my water EC changes.

Peace happy growing

 

[cottee]

Cr4p! Explained the situation to the bloke in shop and he suggested 2ml.

Should I flush?

Just spent an hour and a half going back and forwards with 10 litre watering cans then pumping out the waste back to cans to take downstairs and drain, but if I need to flush this stupid mistake out again, I will!

I wouldn't feed mine 2ml straight from the off but it's up 2 u dude. It were me I would refeed them with a weaker solution but it's ur call

 

[cottee]

I have no idea idea I have never heard about about silica killing beneficial bacteria. I am defintely gonna check that out though. I used voodoo juice so I am hoping the silica didn't kill them or buying them would have been a waste of money. I am using the protekt thoughout veg and flower. Where did you get your potassium silicate from ?

From my local hydro shop. It's called growth technology liquid silicon. I emailed hydrotops which sell micr robes and they said there large amounts can be detrimental to microbes but small amounts can. be benificial. Then I saw advanced nutrients have the rhino skin at the same time as the voodoo so I assume it must be ok. How much u put in

 

[FlashBabylon]

In my opinion you should have started in soil it is a lot more forgiving and meters do help but are not totally necessary in soil medium.

Thanks Captain Hindsight! soz couldn't help. Yeah, I'm with you there. Too late now, I will just have to learn the hard way!

I've bought a better, more accurate ph testing kit (the other was a 4-8 kit, this is 6-7 in .1 increments). I am testing the solution I pour in, should I be testing runoff too?

 

[FlashBabylon]

I wouldn't feed mine 2ml straight from the off but it's up 2 u dude. It were me I would refeed them with a weaker solution but it's ur call

2ml per 10 litres - that's ok isn't it?

I want to be sure here - you are saying I should feed less than 2ml per 10 litres? So 0.5 ml per 10 litres, or 0.05ml per litre?

 

[cottee]

Lol

2ml per 10 litres - that's ok isn't it?

I want to be sure here - you are saying I should feed less than 2ml per 10 litres? So 0.5 ml per 10 litres, or 0.05ml per litre?[/QUOTE lol I thought u meant 2 ml per liter lol 2 ml to 10 liter will be fine

 

[cottee]

2ml per 10 litres - that's ok isn't it?

I want to be sure here - you are saying I should feed less than 2ml per 10 litres? So 0.5 ml per 10 litres, or 0.05ml per litre?

Lol I thought u meant u put in 2 ml per liter lol. 2 ml to 10 liter is fine lol

 

[FlashBabylon]

Haha thank crap for that I was worried for a while. More for my back having to do the watering again than the plants!

Bad news though, I knocked my hygrometer in the waste tray and it's dead. Gonna have to wing until tomorrow, sure it'll be fine though.

 

[cottee]

Haha thank crap for that I was worried for a while. More for my back having to do the watering again than the plants!

Bad news though, I knocked my hygrometer in the waste tray and it's dead. Gonna have to wing until tomorrow, sure it'll be fine though.

Lol danger averted

 

[irie highry]

for future reference, you can run a half strength feed in your cloner, or humidity dome. you most definitely need to take it easy but this will promote quicker rooting and a stronger, more heavy feeding. root mass and will give you the upper had when transplanting since they are used to it. i strongly recommend advanced nutrients to any grower even beginners. HOWEVER, the voodoo juice is incomparable to house and gardens roots excelorator. advanced actually made a public statement saying that they cant compete with H&G roots excel. one other thing is if you have any scares or think you might be over feeding once in a while you might want to look into a root zone rejuvenator such as sensi zyme from advanced... its a great way to clean out your roots without flushing you nutrients($) away. its instructed for use throughout flower but ull notice the N-P-K numbers are hardly even there. its virtually impossible to over feed during any stage of you plants live cycle.

 

[cottee]

Dud

for future reference, you can run a half strength feed in your cloner, or humidity dome. you most definitely need to take it easy but this will promote quicker rooting and a stronger, more heavy feeding. root mass and will give you the upper had when transplanting since they are used to it. i strongly recommend advanced nutrients to any grower even beginners. HOWEVER, the voodoo juice is incomparable to house and gardens roots excelorator. advanced actually made a public statement saying that they cant compete with H&G roots excel. one other thing is if you have any scares or think you might be over feeding once in a while you might want to look into a root zone rejuvenator such as sensi zyme from advanced... its a great way to clean out your roots without flushing you nutrients($) away. its instructed for use throughout flower but ull notice the N-P-K numbers are hardly even there. its virtually impossible to over feed during any stage of you plants live cycle.

dude the guy is a tight budget with no ph pen so I don't think he's gonna be interested in double dear AV lol