subway stores in the uk cave to islamic demands..

Doer

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actually, it was merely coincidence and that would have happened no matter what..or did you make a change to precipitate the "unexplainable"?..Heisenburg, one of the smartest guys on this board will tell you the same thing..we had a thread going on it awhile ago..i think it was in the religious/spiritual forum..beefbiscuit and tyler.durden live there and will tell you the same thing..they are both theologists..there is NO god..but you promised you'd be good and good things started to happen?..it's because you made the change within yourself..same thing with motivation..sales reps used to ask me about the money, awards what's it like..how can i?..it's mindset dude and laws of attraction..nothing more.

EDIT: DL "the secret" from YT it's kinda new age-ee (and the bitch who narrates accent kills me)..but that's the principle.
Inside is Objective. Outside is subjective.

God is outside and subjective. SELF is inside and quite objectively powerful.
Surely beyond time and space, seems to me.

Perception is Conception is Reception.

Revel in the Self of SELF at play in the field of REAL. Get some!!
 

Doer

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me too..speaking of which florida is home to some of the best shrooming in the US and season is almost here:mrgreen:
It is ever! Shroom walking is only in FL as far as I know.

I have been lost for hours in what I thought were giant, endless cow fields. But, no, 6 hours, later...."has the car just been right over there this entire time???!!"
 

Doer

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The important people are.

The book is a guide. Some think it is literal and infallible.

There are some hard truths about it though. And if the point is does everyone get to heaven, then why is there a hell and satin? (HE MEAN SATAN)

Some don't get into heaven obviously. Those who don't can be called the unrepentant sinners. Jesus died on the cross to take the punishment for the sin of mankind.

Before heaven was only for the Jews who closely followed the law of Moses. Jesus expanded it to everyone that asked for forgiveness in his name.

It is available to all, but not given to all, one has to accept it.
Too funny. The Jews do not believe in Heaven, Do you even know what gollum is?
"the end of days?" All That?

Heaven and hell were just made up for Power of Threat. The few things in the Bible about this don't refer to the modern Christian fairy tale of Death Fear, this religion uses as it's power base. Death Fear is the Christian mind fuck. Don't blame Jews on this one.,

Some ideas of sort of an exclusive property that Jesus opened up like a Real Estate developer are 20th century lies. Just your sect of lies, and not even a common Christian belief.
 
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BigNBushy

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I don't understand why anyone would try to take the time out of their day to try to convince someone that something they believe in, a thing that gives great comfort and strength to them, is bullshit.

I don't participate in the "war on Christianity" paranoia that erupts whenever they stop letting the Giddens come in and give bibles and Jesus lessons to school kids in public schools. I wouldn't want those strange men talking to my kids either.

But God didn't show himself to you, or the guy next to me, he did it to me because I had been begging for years. And then when I called bullshit on it, he did it again.

I don't share the details of this story with anyone, except for fellow followers of Christ. But if you'd experienced what I did, you might think different.

The bible says the same thing, many different ways, in many different places; "seek and you will find, knock and the door will be opened."

If you are true, and you look hard and long enough, God will find a way to show you himself. And it will be just for you.

Yes, the bible is a collection of myths and legends, there are some truths therein, and there are some head shakers. There is also a lot of wisdom. But it is a guide book.

The God in that book is very real. You just have to show him you give a fuck, and he will find you.
 

Canna Sylvan

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Come on, Bunny. Magic is a belief.

I am a Denier of all things believed.
There's magic at some point. What was before matter? If all the universe was gluons and quarks and they compressed and bounced back, the Big Bang, where did the gluons and quarks come from? Another universe? At which point is that magic?
 

Doer

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I don't understand why anyone would try to take the time out of their day to try to convince someone that something they believe in, a thing that gives great comfort and strength to them, is bullshit.

I don't participate in the "war on Christianity" paranoia that erupts whenever they stop letting the Giddens come in and give bibles and Jesus lessons to school kids in public schools. I wouldn't want those strange men talking to my kids either.

But God didn't show himself to you, or the guy next to me, he did it to me because I had been begging for years. And then when I called bullshit on it, he did it again.

I don't share the details of this story with anyone, except for fellow followers of Christ. But if you'd experienced what I did, you might think different.

The bible says the same thing, many different ways, in many different places; "seek and you will find, knock and the door will be opened."

If you are true, and you look hard and long enough, God will find a way to show you himself. And it will be just for you.

Yes, the bible is a collection of myths and legends, there are some truths therein, and there are some head shakers. There is also a lot of wisdom. But it is a guide book.

The God in that book is very real. You just have to show him you give a fuck, and he will find you.
You can make up anything you want. There is so much surmise, and suppose, old ways and superstitions, and "how cannot a Just GOD", etc, it has confused us from birth, It is so that when you feel SELF you think OTHER. And the OTHER has power and minions on Earth. Oh my goodness, no. That is the trap. That is Maya.

Classic mistake, to me. And all religions have swerved and mangled the God Man Story. But, only Christianity and Islam are so daft to kill over the ONLY WAY. Study history, Know Self. You are real to you.

The rest is just the plight of birth, and other confusions of illusion, Maya it called in the East, Satan in the West. Pervasive and Personal. Compelling and Debilitating,

It is FEAR.

It is that which keep us looking outward and chasing pleasure, conquest and superiority over others, and then calling all that real, etc.

Know Self and that Knowledge is not belief.

The son and the father are ONE. There is not other god but SELF. And it is God, alright. I know that.
 

BigNBushy

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You can make up anything you want. There is so much surmise, and suppose, old ways and superstitions, and "how cannot a Just GOD", etc, it has confused us from birth, It is so that when you feel SELF you think OTHER. And the OTHER has power and minions on Earth. Oh my goodness, no. That is the trap. That is Maya.

Classic mistake, to me. And all religions have swerved and mangled the God Man Story. But, only Christianity and Islam are so daft to kill over the ONLY WAY. Study history, Know Self. You are real to you.

The rest is just the plight of birth, and other confusions of illusion, Maya it called in the East, Satan in the West. Pervasive and Personal. Compelling and Debilitating,

It is FEAR.

It is that which keep us looking outward and chasing pleasure, conquest and superiority over others, and then calling all that real, etc.

Know Self and that Knowledge is not belief.

The son and the father are ONE. There is not other god but SELF. And it is God, alright. I know that.
Islam and Christianity are not the only ones to kill for salvation sake. Zoroastrians (sp?, pre Islam persia) the eastern religions fought some, and the maya sacrificed humans to their gods.
 

schuylaar

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I don't understand why anyone would try to take the time out of their day to try to convince someone that something they believe in, a thing that gives great comfort and strength to them, is bullshit.

I don't participate in the "war on Christianity" paranoia that erupts whenever they stop letting the Giddens come in and give bibles and Jesus lessons to school kids in public schools. I wouldn't want those strange men talking to my kids either.

But God didn't show himself to you, or the guy next to me, he did it to me because I had been begging for years. And then when I called bullshit on it, he did it again.

I don't share the details of this story with anyone, except for fellow followers of Christ. But if you'd experienced what I did, you might think different.

The bible says the same thing, many different ways, in many different places; "seek and you will find, knock and the door will be opened."

If you are true, and you look hard and long enough, God will find a way to show you himself. And it will be just for you.

Yes, the bible is a collection of myths and legends, there are some truths therein, and there are some head shakers. There is also a lot of wisdom. But it is a guide book.

The God in that book is very real. You just have to show him you give a fuck, and he will find you.
Look, bottom line: the power is YOU..god is YOU..some of us have a more developed psyche and understand the concept..then there are the "masses" those who must be spoon-fed, lacking the type of deep intelligence it takes to understand..what is frustrating to those of us who believe in their own power, is that not only do you not believe in yourself (which is very limiting), you try to inject that concept into others' lives telling them how they should live (same sex marriage)..what they should do with their bodies (abortion/birth control) via politics..and that is incredibly wrong.
 

Canna Sylvan

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Look, bottom line: the power is YOU..god is YOU..some of us have a more developed psyche and understand the concept..then there are the "masses" those who must be spoon-fed, lacking the type of deep intelligence it takes to understand..what is frustrating to those of us who believe in their own power, is that not only do you not believe in yourself (which is very limiting), you try to inject that concept into others' lives telling them how they should live (same sex marriage)..what they should do with their bodies (abortion/birth control) via politics..and that is incredibly wrong.
You believe in magic too? Good for you! But what does a senior citizen going back to college know? If your psyche is so developed, why are you sucking off the government tete rather than enlightening yourself?
 

schuylaar

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You believe in magic too? Good for you! But what does a senior citizen going back to college know? If your psyche is so developed, why are you sucking off the government tete rather than enlightening yourself?
with your attitude and bitterness, it's easy to see and understand why your life sucks..garbage in, garbage out.
 

BigNBushy

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Look, bottom line: the power is YOU..god is YOU..some of us have a more developed psyche and understand the concept..then there are the "masses" those who must be spoon-fed, lacking the type of deep intelligence it takes to understand..what is frustrating to those of us who believe in their own power, is that not only do you not believe in yourself (which is very limiting), you try to inject that concept into others' lives telling them how they should live (same sex marriage)..what they should do with their bodies (abortion/birth control) via politics..and that is incredibly wrong.
You've not seen any of that holier than you attitude from me, at least not much. I think same sex sex is a sin, but so are a bunch of other things people do every day, it is no worse than over eating, something very common among the evangelical christianists.

You might be right. But my best thinking landed me in addiction. God helped me out of it. If I created him in my mind, so be it. It is a better way for me to process the world and live in it productively.
 

Doer

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There's magic at some point. What was before matter? If all the universe was gluons and quarks and they compressed and bounced back, the Big Bang, where did the gluons and quarks come from? Another universe? At which point is that magic?
Never...except for always, according to what the meaning of is, is.
 

Canna Sylvan

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with your attitude and bitterness, it's easy to see and understand why your life sucks..garbage in, garbage out.
My life doesn't suck. What gave you that idea? Your life must suck, why else are you going back to school in order to work for someone else and be their bitch? I never went to school and make plenty for myself and family. I'm no one's bitch. If you're in demand, you make the rules. What I do, there'll always be demand for.
 

Doer

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Islam and Christianity are not the only ones to kill for salvation sake. Zoroastrians (sp?, pre Islam persia) the eastern religions fought some, and the maya sacrificed humans to their gods.
Oh what a bad student you are to get this so backwards. The Zoroasters were hated and persecuted from the beginning of Islam. All that only ONE WAY, violence, still happening today.

It is a philosophy of peace. Never a war cult so never a religion.

http://www.zoroaster.net/indexe.htm
Gathas, 4 hymn (31), verse 8

“O Mazda,
when I sought you with the vision of my wisdom and good thinking
And looked at you with the vision of my wisdom, I realized
That Thou art the beginning and the end of everything
Thou art the source of wisdom and thinking
And Thou art the real Creator of truth and piety
And the just judge of the actions of all the people.


Contrast this with the Sunni war on the Infidel....Jihad.

Surah 9. Repentance, Dispensation
5. But when the forbidden months are past, then kill and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.



Surah 9. Repentance, Dispensation
28. Kill those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.



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The Maya were not into converting anyone, to my knowledge. In conquest and enslavement, sacrifice, etc...the Masters are worshiped, not the Gods. Slaves are not worthy.

The Maya didn't try to carry the word of ONE WAY, repent.

Are you sure you don't have reeling constipation? All monkey orgs will kill.

Only Islam and Christianity have hell, and kill all that can't convert to the ONE WAY.
 
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schuylaar

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You've not seen any of that holier than you attitude from me, at least not much. I think same sex sex is a sin, but so are a bunch of other things people do every day, it is no worse than over eating, something very common among the evangelical christianists.

You might be right. But my best thinking landed me in addiction. God helped me out of it. If I created him in my mind, so be it. It is a better way for me to process the world and live in it productively.
i agree..if that is what you need, don't change it..i'm not trying to convert your thinking..you just need to accept that that is your way, not everyone's AND there is another way..the bible is not the end all..that is the issue with those who follow the bible.

EDIT: you say same sex is a sin? who are YOU to judge?..you don't have to believe in it or like it but it's none of your (or mine) business what 2 consenting adults do in their own home..do you get it?
 
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