Schuylaars Sesh - The New Wedge Issue for 2014 Mid-Terms..

[nontheist]

do you have a single example showing they haven't been able to in the past?

 

[beenthere]

do you have a single example showing they haven't been able to in the past?

It's never been done before, but I can tell this for a fact.
Either the franchise raises it's prices accordingly, or they go out of business.

 

[BigNBushy]

how many businesses failed when we last raised min wage by 41% because of that wage hike?

any of you profound righties have even a single example of one?

I would say several folks lost their jobs. I know dad let someone go at his store when min wage went up one time. The guy had no useful skills that were relevant any more. Just an old man they used to go get this and that. Mostly lunch.

There are numerous folks who probably got less hours, many who lost jobs, and untold numbers who either didnt get a job, and even more still were probably denied overtime opportunities.

You like to argue that the business can afford it, and in many cases I would say you are correct. But that is the improper measure of if it is good for America or not.

There are lots of folks out there working for 12-15 bucks an hour right now who are doing pretty good. I would say they have earned it. Much more so than the folks working for or near minimum wage.

If the minimum is given a 40 or 50% hike, these folks get an effective pay cut. That isn't right.

 

[chuewy]

no.

we have what is called the "fair labor and standards act" because business owners cannot be trusted to do the right thing for their employees.

If you're strictly judging from past instances, then you wouldn't want our government, let alone any government to decide on fairness do you?

...in the past they have exploited women and children in sweat shop paying only pennies while demanding exhaustive hours.

i believe that addresses your comments.

So were these exploited people forced to work there like the Jews in concentration camps under the threat of violence/death? No? So why in the world are they still working there if they felt the compensation isn't fair?

What do you think is fair? What do you think is a fair compensation for an non-essential employee? What about essential employees? What about the owner? Do you believe that the owner shouldn't reap the rewards of a business said owner built?

 

[UncleBuck]

What about the owner? Do you believe that the owner shouldn't reap the rewards of a business said owner built?

if a business owner can't afford to pay the people who make his business work a living wage, that owner is welcome and encouraged to reap the rewards of his shitty, low paying, sweatshop business.

 

[schuylaar]

I would say several folks lost their jobs. I know dad let someone go at his store when min wage went up one time. The guy had no useful skills that were relevant any more. Just an old man they used to go get this and that. Mostly lunch.

There are numerous folks who probably got less hours, many who lost jobs, and untold numbers who either didnt get a job, and even more still were probably denied overtime opportunities.

You like to argue that the business can afford it, and in many cases I would say you are correct. But that is the improper measure of if it is good for America or not.

There are lots of folks out there working for 12-15 bucks an hour right now who are doing pretty good. I would say they have earned it. Much more so than the folks working for or near minimum wage.

If the minimum is given a 40 or 50% hike, these folks get an effective pay cut. That isn't right.

wonder if that old guy who got let go had any skill when he was younger? like war vet?..think about what you just posted..

 

[schuylaar]

well, well, well..look at what the cat has dragged in:

Mitt Romney: Raise the minimum wage

Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney on Thursday morning said he supports an increase in the minimum wage, breaking with many Republicans who have stood against it.

“I, for instance, as you know, part company with many of the conservatives in my party on the issue of the minimum wage. I think we ought to raise it,” the 2012 Republican presidential nominee said. “Because frankly, our party is all about more jobs and better pay.”

yes, frankly all of the sudden..fucker


Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2014/05/mitt-romney-minimum-wage-106524.html#ixzz31Eljuxlu

 

[MuyLocoNC]

It's an awesome way to raise taxes and redistribute wealth from the middle class to the po' folks. Higher wages = more withholding, businesses raise prices to pay for increased wages, more sales tax for states and the middle class consumers are the ones who pay for all of it...awesome. Ultimately the $ has to come from somewhere and you KNOW it ain't gonna be the 1%'ers paying for it.

 

[ginwilly]

If min wage is raised 40% and Soc Sec isn't I hope pubs take the ridiculous angle that dems are waging a war on the elderly. With massive medicare cuts and depreciating their money supply and worth, it will be just as believable as the war on women.

 

[killemsoftly]

It's an awesome way to raise taxes and redistribute wealth from the middle class to the po' folks. Higher wages = more withholding, businesses raise prices to pay for increased wages, more sales tax for states and the middle class consumers are the ones who pay for all of it...awesome. Ultimately the $ has to come from somewhere and you KNOW it ain't gonna be the 1%'ers paying for it.

why would you need a minimum wage at all. just let the market dictate. same with employment law, social security, medicare, etc.
Toss it all out. It's communism. Merica don't need that. stop bitchin n whining n get on with it before china takes over and you end up communists.

 

[ginwilly]

why would you need a minimum wage at all. just let the market dictate. same with employment law, social security, medicare, etc.
Toss it all out. It's communism. Merica don't need that. stop bitchin n whining n get on with it before china takes over and you end up communists.

quick question killem. If poverty is ~15k now with min wage as it is, we raise min wage to a million year, would poverty be 15k still or would it be over a million?

 

[UncleBuck]

if we raise min wage to a million year...

wanna know how i know that you're retarded?

 

[MuyLocoNC]

why would you need a minimum wage at all. just let the market dictate. same with employment law, social security, medicare, etc.
Toss it all out. It's communism. Merica don't need that. stop bitchin n whining n get on with it before china takes over and you end up communists.

Agreed and seconded on ALL counts.

 

[Doer]

you know this is so much fun but i must get to my personal trainer in 15 BBL

EDIT: i may be delayed though.. picking up another rx at publix for $5 which gives me great pleasure to know you are paying for me from your royalty checks

Have a good work out..

 

[Dr Kynes]

i hate to burst righties bubble for their high hopes in taking over in 2014..considering conservatives are so obsessed with getting those "off the public dole"..here's why they won't:


WASHINGTON — Democratic Party leaders, bruised by months of attacks on the new health care program, have found an issue they believe can lift their fortunes both locally and nationally in 2014: an increase in the minimum wage.



The effort to take advantage of growing populism among voters in both parties is being coordinated by officials from the White House, labor unions and liberal advocacy groups.
In a series of strategy meetings and conference calls among them in recent weeks, they have focused on two levels: an effort to raise the federal minimum wage, which will be pushed by President Obama and congressional leaders, and a campaign to place state-level minimum wage proposals on the ballot in states with hotly contested congressional races.
With polls showing widespread support for an increase in the $7.25-per-hour federal minimum wage among both Republican and Democratic voters, top Democrats see not only a wedge issue that they hope will place Republican candidates in a difficult position, but also a tool with which to enlarge the electorate in a nonpresidential election, when turnout among minorities and youths typically drops off.

“It puts Republicans on the wrong side of an important value issue when it comes to fairness,” said Dan Pfeiffer, the president’s senior adviser. “You can make a very strong case that this will be a helpful issue for Democrats in 2014. But the goal here is to actually get it done. That’s why the president put it on the agenda.”
Top Republicans assert that a wage increase would dampen the economic recovery and indicated after Mr. Obama mentioned the issue in his State of the Union speech this year that they had no intention of bringing a minimum-wage increase to a vote in the House, which they control.
“Why would we want to make it harder for small employers to hire people?” Speaker John A. Boehner of Ohio said.
In the capital, Mr. Obama and congressional Democrats are supporting legislation that would raise the federal minimum wage to $10.10 an hour by 2015. Mr. Obama is planning a series of speeches across the country focused on improving wages for workers, aides said, many of them timed to coincide with key minimum-wage votes in Congress. Income inequality is also likely to play a prominent role in his State of the Union address next month.
At the same time, Democratic campaign officials and liberal activists — conceding that Democrats face tough prospects in some Senate races — are working to put minimum-wage increases on the ballot next year in places like Arkansas, Alaska and South Dakota. The hope is to stoke Democratic turnout in conservative-leaning states where the party’s Senate candidates have been put on the defensive by the mishandled rollout of the Affordable Care Act.
But in a sign that some moderate Democrats are uneasy about inflaming their local business communities, the imperiled Democratic Senate incumbents in Alaska and Arkansas, Mark Begich and Mark Pryor, have yet to embrace the ballot measures.
States with contested House races, including New Mexico, will also see campaigns to bring minimum-wage increases to a referendum next year.

After being battered for nearly two months on the problems with Mr. Obama’s signature health law, Democrats see the minimum-wage increase as a way to shift the political conversation back to their preferred terms.
“The more Republicans obsess on repealing the Affordable Care Act and the more we focus on rebuilding the middle class with a minimum-wage increase, the more voters will support our candidates,” said Representative Steve Israel of New York, the chairman of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee.

Democratic planning on the issue has picked up in recent weeks, as the 2014 elections approach and the need to counter attacks on the health law has grown more urgent.

This month, top aides to Mr. Obama including the economic advisers Jason Furman and Gene B. Sperling, Labor Secretary Thomas E. Perez and the legislative affairs office convened a meeting at the White House complex with an array of liberal groups to discuss the minimum wage. The gathering included representatives from Mr. Obama’s political arm, Organizing for America, unions and progressive groups like Americans United for Change and the National Employment Law Project.

An official from the National Employment Law Project presented a spreadsheet showing which cities and states were pursuing campaigns to increase minimum wages next year, according to a person who attended. The attendees also discussed the potential timing of a minimum-wage vote in the Democratic-controlled Senate.
A representative from the A.F.L.-C.I.O. urged the White House officials to coordinate with Senate Democrats on when to bring the issue to the floor so that the unions could “have time to mount a grass-roots” campaign stirring up support for the measure, an attendee recalled.



“The combination of the state ballot initiatives and at some point a big nasty fight in D.C. that will amplify some of the stuff in the states is going to create a feedback loop that will be really helpful,” said one Democratic official involved in the discussions.

Democrats prize the issue of a minimum-wage increase because it would help address income inequality, which is galvanizing liberals at the moment and is popular with swing voters they will need in next year’s elections.
Sixty-four percent of independents and even 57 percent of Republicans said they supported increasing the minimum wage, according to a CBS News poll last month. Some 70 percent of self-described “moderates” said they supported an increase.

“We’ve got a lot of folks who are registered Republicans for whatever reason here, but when you start talking about earning a dollar more an hour it means something to them, regardless of their party,” said Rick Weiland, the Democrat running for the Senate in South Dakota next year, who has embraced the ballot measure there.
Mr. Weiland said 62,000 people in his sparsely populated state would receive a raise if a ballot question that calls for raising the minimum wage to $8.50 an hour from $7.25 wins the approval of voters in November.
Liberal strategists would like other Democratic Senate candidates to follow suit, noting that Democrats were elected senators in two conservative-leaning states, Missouri and Montana, in 2006 when proposals to increase the minimum wage were overwhelmingly approved.

Of course, for the overall strategy to work for the Democrats they need Republicans to oppose an increase, and history suggests that is not a given.

At the meeting this month, Mr. Sperling, who was an adviser to President Bill Clinton, recalled that in 1996 Republican leaders decided that fighting an wage increase was not worth the political trouble and let a bill raising the rate pass after inserting provisions helping small businesses.

"rebuilding the middle class with a minimum-wage increase"

when twaddle like this is published, you know the lefties are desperate.

hey schuylaar, why dont you read shit before re-printing it, to prevent embarassing bullshit like this from happening again?

 

[tightpockt]

With the fed just printing money and the way inflation is going up the pay bump wont even matter.

A minimum wage increase will actually hurt low skilled workers and give more incentive towards automation.
why hire a highschool kid when there's a college graduate that really needs a job too.

besides, where does the government have the right to insert itself into a contract between two people? if someone has a job and they're willing to pay a certain amount and someone is willing to work for that amount what's the problem?

the only people who deserve a raise are waiters and waitresses. The restaurant owners Lobby has kept them at $2.63 since the 70's

 

[Dr Kynes]

With the fed just printing money and the way inflation is going up the pay bump wont even matter.

A minimum wage increase will actually hurt low skilled workers and give more incentive towards automation.
why hire a highschool kid when there's a college graduate that really needs a job too.

besides, where does the government have the right to insert itself into a contract between two people? if someone has a job and they're willing to pay a certain amount and someone is willing to work for that amount what's the problem?

the only people who deserve a raise are waiters and waitresses. The restaurant owners Lobby has kept them at $2.63 since the 70's

not in california, they get $8 an hour just like the dingus who asks "you want fries with that"

 

[tightpockt]

This is kind of just a ploy. If the goal is to reinvigorate the middle class and have people working at a "livable wage" more earnest efforts have to bepaid. Let's face it, if you're working a minimum wage job no matter what the minimum wage amount is you're still going to be really poor.
Solution?
cut tax loopholes for huge companies. make everybody pay their fair share. Cut spending and military waste and put ALL of that money into schools.
Supply and demand 101.
Skills vs. Money.
Tightpockt 2016!

 

[ginwilly]

This is kind of just a ploy. If the goal is to reinvigorate the middle class and have people working at a "livable wage" more earnest efforts have to bepaid. Let's face it, if you're working a minimum wage job no matter what the minimum wage amount is you're still going to be really poor.
Solution?
cut tax loopholes for huge companies. make everybody pay their fair share. Cut spending and military waste and put ALL of that money into schools.
Supply and demand 101.
Skills vs. Money.
Tightpockt 2016!

I'd like to see our entire corporate tax code looked at and hopefully abolished. The politicians in charge have all gotten rich from corporate policy so that's going to be a tough nut to crack.

I'm not sure spending more on education in it's present form is the best answer. We have the teachers struggling to make ends meet and provide materials so the knee-jerk reaction is they need more money. Looking closer you see that school has a school board with high paid pencil pushers, then a board of education for that district, another for that county, at least one for the state and last but not least on the federal level. We need to take bureaucracy out of schools, not add more to it.

We also need to examine the type of "help" we give people. We can train in needed skills or we can just say fuck it, give em money.

You still have my vote though.

 

[tightpockt]

We also need to examine the type of "help" we give people. We can train in needed skills or we can just say fuck it, give em money.

You still have my vote though.

I believe in the concept of welfare or assistance or a safety net or whatever you want to call it...the point of welfare is to help people get back on their feet for a SHORT amount of time.
Case in point: my father died, my mom was a housewife with two infant children with no real skills and no money. She used welfare, foidstamps and grants to go back to school and feed her children. 8 months later she had her first computer programming job and the rest is history. Provided us a nice, middle class life for us.
On the flip side when you provide so much "assistance" where you dont HAVE to work , the incentive to improve your situation declines. Sustained financial assistance hurts poor people in the long run. To me, a huge increase in min. Wage is kind of like another form of welfare. (I'm generalizing to the extreme here. I know people living off of welfare aren't sitting back like fat cats. I know they're still super poor and live under the burdens of poverty)
if you want to help the poor and underprivileged then educate them, give them the opportunity to develop marketable skills.
The only way out of poverty is through HARD work.
there are certain groups in this country that start life at a disadvantage, and it's unfair, but that's the reality currently and the only way to improve your situation is to turn yourself into an asset.
if you are anyone other than a white male you can bitch and complain about how this is unfair, and that is unfair and you would probably be right but bitching and moaning doesnt put food on the table.