homebrewer
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Were those pictures in post 140 because it *looks* like your non-defoliated tray needs some more pruning down low.
Effect of Defoliation on Yield - Skywalker OG indoor scrog
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Sativied
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that's undoubtedly the most pathetic attempt I've seen to get someone posting facts rather than fiction excluded from a defoliation thread. Nobody gives a fuck about whether you ignore them or not. If you actually paid attention in class you would have learned that maximum yields come from an optimal balance between sinks and sources and that it's ridiculous to start a test based on the assumption you can improve that sink-source balance by removing leaves (the only sources which I'm sure you know...
While you're pretending to do a valid experiment to get a few more grams of mj, many REAL scientists with a REAL botany degree (amongst others) and years of REAL experience are researching this every single day - optimizing the source-sink balance can potentially prevent the ever increasing food problems for the ever increasing world population.Removing lower lateral shoots that don't make it to a scrog canopy is not the same as 'lollipopping' or defoliating as commonly promoted by the posers. Perhaps you should get your botanic and stoner terminology straight first.
For those who are interested in the facts, google 'sink source balance defoliate'.
I will be back to shoot holes in your results and provide plenty of reasons why your test is far from meaningful so better ignore me. Just in case:
OscarLaGrouch
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phototropism or heliotropism is the effect of hormones within the branch or stem of the plant. all it does is elongate one side of the stem so that the plant grows towards the sun or the bulb. all the branches do this and its why the leaves flatten out and maximize their surface area toward the light.'Phototropism is the growth of organisms in response to light. It is most often observed in plants, but can also occur in other organisms such as fungi. The growth or movement of a plant part in response to a source of light. The cells on the plant that are farthest from the light have a chemical called auxin that reacts when phototropism occurs. This causes the plant to have elongated cells on the farthest side from the light. Phototropism is one of the many plant tropisms or movements which respond to external stimuli. Growth towards a light source is called positive phototropism, while growth away from light is called negative phototropism.'
'There are several signaling molecules that help the plant determine where the light source is, and this activates several genes, which change the hormone gradients allowing the plant to grow towards the light. The very tip of the plant known as the coleoptile is necessary in light sensing.'
Wikipedia.
That makes perfect sense to me, the buds closer to the light are growing bigger because they are stimulated by the light. Where as the opposite branch is not growing as much because it's not receiving as much light.
So this is where the confusion comes in because phototropism says that by getting more light to those budsites will produce bigger buds, but you're saying that this is not correct and getting more light to the budsites will not produce more bud.
If this is a common newbie misconception then where are we going wrong with it, what are we not taking into account? Thanks for taking the time to reply.
OscarLaGrouch
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ok fuck this. I don't need it.
cya THREAD CLOSED
cya THREAD CLOSED
neo12345
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That's not very scientific!! lol
You can't really ask for no trolling and then flame up at people yourself, as you end up losing credibility. You've stuck your head well and truly above the parapet by starting a thread about defoliation, so you've got to expect a bit of flack!
Sativied
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IGNORANCE
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Ignorance is a state of being uninformed. The word ignorant is an adjective describing a person in the state of being unaware and is often used as an insult to describe individuals who deliberately ignore or disregard important information or facts. src: Wikipedia
OscarLaGrouch
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dude I don't need the stress of total strangers talking shit to me just because they can. if anyone want to PM me they can. I will post the results at the end and that's it.
OscarLaGrouch
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ok it's called mainlining. my bad.
OscarLaGrouch
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if you read he entire thread, I gave UB credit and said he may be right but the only person affected by the outcome is me. I tolerated his condescending attitude as long as I can. i said if he doesn't like my thread he doesn't have to read it. then he posts again and again implying that I don't know anything and he knows everything. I don't need the derision. I got brave enough to post the thread because ppl were saying that they wished someone would do a side by side experiment. I am doing it. I just don't need the bullshit.
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ignorant ppl dont pursue knowledge. they try to shut it down.IGNORANCE
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tortie
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Im interested with what this test will show. Please do post the results.
homebrewer
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I think B looks like it could use some more, just my opinion though. As long as 'structurally' your plants are nearly identical with the only difference being that one group has more leaves than the other, you should be good to go. Good luck if you choose to move forward.
OscarLaGrouch
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I will. This is a 9 or ten week strain so they will be chopped around fourth of July. I dry as a whole plant, which takes about two weeks. I hope it takes a long time to trim. Once tallied I will post all my data from the grow as well as the results.
if you watch the thread you will get an alert and you can come check it out.
OscarLaGrouch
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one of the veteran growers who taught me said that if you remove leaves the plant will direct energy into replacing them, taking away from bud growth. if that's true, table A will have a reduce yield as compared to B.The one thing I don't do is top my cloned budders. I LST first before I resort to pruning fans.
Defoliation really depends on style and grow circumstances.
IMO in week 4-8 it is ok to lose some fans off the main stalk if the grow space is too congested. The leaves below a dense canopy will die anyway.
Don't overprune either, especially late in the grow because it could promote more eye leaf growth.
The fact is mj is a very hardy plant if in the correct enviroment. In the past I have taken in stripped homegrown stalks(1980's) pulled by the roots and produced nice bud with them.
The early eighties sucked, in Canada.
12/12d was the best discovery since the wheel
I really don't know which way this will go. We will all find out.
OscarLaGrouch
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ok I will take a look. I thought A needed more.
OscarLaGrouch
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We are not talking about FOOD; we are talking about Skywalker OG.
If you actually paid attention in class you would have learned that maximum yields come from an optimal balance between sinks and sources and that it's ridiculous to start a test based on the assumption you can improve that sink-source balance by removing leaves (the only sources which I'm sure you know...
Removing lower lateral shoots that don't make it to a scrog canopy is not the same as 'lollipopping' or defoliating as commonly promoted by the posers. Perhaps you should get your botanic and stoner terminology straight first.
For those who are interested in the facts, google 'sink source balance defoliate'.
I will be back to shoot holes in your results and provide plenty of reasons why your test is far from meaningful so better ignore me. Just in case:
I think the University of California is a REAL university. They are among the best public institutions of higher learning in the world.
I guess I am not a REAL scientist with a REAL degree. My parents will be so disappointed in me when they find out.
MaineMooseRider
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Sorry to see you have to do this. I have read a lot of post on RIU and it seems like there are a few and their lackies that when they disagree with something they do this never ending crap of trolling. This is why I will never ever start a journal of any kind on this site because I would do the same as you. Get extremely pisses and close it. I am sorry to see this end and I hope you will post results in July. I will keep an eye out for it. Thanks Oscar
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