Effect of Defoliation on Yield - Skywalker OG indoor scrog

[chuck estevez]

well do you?

1. 
   I flush
   5 vote(s)
   12.5%
2. 
   I defloiate
   3 vote(s)
   7.5%
3. 
   I do both
   6 vote(s)
   15.0%
4. *
   I just grow and smoke no foolishness
   31 vote(s)
   77.5%

Multiple votes are allowed.

 

[a senile fungus]

Ok i give up


'Splain, Lucy
Enlighten us

You did a great job of proving my point.

If you seriously believe that a scientific hypothesis and a scientific theory are one and the same then you lose all credibility in my eyes, especially after claiming to be educated in the sciences

I'm not bashing, I still support your purpose of this thread. But seriously? No difference between the two words?

 

[MrEDuck]

As a trained scientist the difference isn't stressed enough until more advanced levels. I've heard colleagues with PhDs use theory in the vernacular sense too many times to judge the slip too harshly. Especially after seeing decent experimental design and plans to replicate in the future.

 

[a senile fungus]

Look I have not slept one minute in 36 hours. I didnt feel like splitting hairs supernerd style. Not doing it now either.
In my ipinion you need a theory to form a hypothesis and a hypothesis to support a theory. Im good with that and so are most of the ppl reading this thread. I dont want to argue.

You know what they say about opinions

Keep on keeping on bro, maybe get some sleep. Over exhaustion disrupts metabolic pathways

 

[a senile fungus]

Im fucking tired bruh. Could u get off my jock?

I'm merely pointing that your credibility with the science savvy is lost when you interchange those words.

I still support you continuing with this experiment.

Not riding your "jock", pointing out that those words have definitions for a reason.

 

[a senile fungus]

I'll stop posting. I've made my point.

Good day to you, Grouch

 

[OscarLaGrouch]

I grow some dank shyt. Tryna grow more of it.

Nothing else matters to me.

 

[a senile fungus]

 

[OscarLaGrouch]

I'm merely pointing that your credibility with the science savvy is lost when you interchange those words.

I still support you continuing with this experiment.

Not riding your "jock", pointing out that those words have definitions for a reason.

Definitions confine me. Catching someone in an error and rubbing their face in it is petty Hairsplitting is for nerds who vy for a spot in the pecking order. The way its always been done is for those who cant think of a better way to do it.

I am a maverick. I defy convention. Everything is a box and I am always outside of it, thinking. The only traditions I observe are snowboarding in winter, Thanksgiving Dinner and calling my fam on the important days.

I am totally misunderstood.

If that makes ppl feel superior, so be it.

I dont aspire to the norm; I aspire to excellence.

 

[a senile fungus]

Congratulations?

 

[OscarLaGrouch]

Listen here!
This thread has a chance to become a stikky.

This thread will be here to help others learn and make decisions about their methods. It is ok to be a disbeliever but let the experiment sink or swim on it's own merit. Negative comments will not be tolerated. If you want to do an experiment that shows defoliation in a different light, go do it in your own lab, on your own dime and start your own thread. I built a lab and I am using it as I see fit. Opinions about defol can be kept until the experiment is completed. We are not debating the merits without scientific data.

Due to current federal law, professional scientists cant even research cannabis in a lab with all the bells and whistles that are necessary to be a "well-controlled" and replicated research project to their own standards. Projects like this will have to serve as a research lab in the void. Put your money where your mouth is and show us how its done or STFU.

Personal attacks upon me or anyone else will not be tolerated. The group will be asked to add the poster to their ignore list and not to respond.

Rules
No personal attacks
No posts of your own plants
No diatribes etc
No name calling
No assertions that cannot be backed by empirical data.

Anyone who fucks this up by engaging in petty squabbles will be immediately ignored as a group by those interested in maintaining the integrity of the thread. Their comments will be deleted by mods. If you have already made an irrelevant or questionable post, please clean it up by deleting it. Take that shyt to TNT.

Lets find out, peacefully, if an aggressive defoliation on day 15 has an advantageous, deleterious or neutral impact on total yield of Skywalker OG.

Please go ahead and delete any posts that you dont want to hang your reputation or your humanity on. Lets pare this bitch down to the good 411.

 

[OscarLaGrouch]

From the AnonyMod:

Just found ur experiment. If ur having issues with members being a-holes I'll be happy to delete their comments. There are some members here that just want to troll and not contribute. I won't stand for it. This thread has merit and I may sticky it after you're finished to help other ppl learn. Thanks for caring enough to do it in the first place.

 

[waterdawg]

These defoliation threads are as predictable as the sun rising in the morning.

 

[waterdawg]

Opps! not sure what happened there! But yes these threads are all the same lol! And yes it does seem that this thread was as OP said "scientific" but I think we can all agree that, while this is not true in the sense that there is no lab, very small sample, and only one person involved, it is interesting lol. I just don't get the down with the ship, fight till the death, mentality by the "defoliating is a myth" group. But I guess it takes too or more to disagree, the Op has never definitively said its the way to go. So why the fight!! Fuck I keep asking that lol!!! Guess I'm getting paranoid that I may be missing something here and world domination may be next! .

 

[waterdawg]

Sorry I guess one persons lab is another's grow room, FYI I do refer to my shed as the lab lol, its not lol. Sorry Oscar but the more you try to defend this very interesting, dare I say experiment! I think (IMO) you take away the original intent. Still very interested in the outcome though. And it has raised my curiosity, to say the least lol, in learning more about why there is so much "passion" in the fight not to pluck!!!!

 

[Nizza]

now really think about this.. you have 12 overgrown plants that you prune back a ton and spend an extra month "defoliating" to achieve proper light
or you have 12 plants that you grew to an appropriate size, then flowered, and didn't need to do any defoliating, just a little LST.

you achieve the harvest one month early. some may argue that they don't care cause they have so many plants in veg, but think that you could actually be flowering those over-vegged plants in time to not have to "defoliate".

I really liked uncle bens 2 or 4 top method. If you do the 4 top method, as the buds dense up, they weigh down outward and allow light in the middle of the plant more.

also wanted to mention, when the oscillating fan wiggles my leaves, there is now light getting to EVERY leaf. When needed, translocation will feed whatever needs it, so i keep as much green leaf on the plant (following a 3-1-2 NPK feed schedule the entire time). The result is maybe a little "less" bud but one whole month quicker, so i see it like almost getting a half of a harvest back

i guess my statement is that the claim to improved yields through defoliating is actually due to extra veg time and defoliation is necessary because you don't have enough light to satisfy the plant, all of this will take longer than it has to and is counter productive. Not that it doesn't "work" but it should be avoided

 

[CaretakerDad]

Listen here!
This thread has a chance to become a stikky.

This thread will be here to help others learn and make decisions about their methods. It is ok to be a disbeliever but let the experiment sink or swim on it's own merit. Negative comments will not be tolerated. If you want to do an experiment that shows defoliation in a different light, go do it in your own lab, on your own dime and start your own thread. I built a lab and I am using it as I see fit. Opinions about defol can be kept until the experiment is completed. We are not debating the merits without scientific data.

Due to current federal law, professional scientists cant even research cannabis in a lab with all the bells and whistles that are necessary to be a "well-controlled" and replicated research project to their own standards. Projects like this will have to serve as a research lab in the void. Put your money where your mouth is and show us how its done or STFU.

Personal attacks upon me or anyone else will not be tolerated. The group will be asked to add the poster to their ignore list and not to respond.

Rules
No personal attacks
No posts of your own plants
No diatribes etc
No name calling
No assertions that cannot be backed by empirical data.

Anyone who fucks this up by engaging in petty squabbles will be immediately ignored as a group by those interested in maintaining the integrity of the thread. Their comments will be deleted by mods. If you have already made an irrelevant or questionable post, please clean it up by deleting it. Take that shyt to TNT.

Lets find out, peacefully, if an aggressive defoliation on day 15 has an advantageous, deleterious or neutral impact on total yield of Skywalker OG.

Please go ahead and delete any posts that you dont want to hang your reputation or your humanity on. Lets pare this bitch down to the good 411. View attachment 3152509

This has NO CHANCE to become a sticky. Where is your empirical data when you can't properly use scientific terms that "in your opinion" are interchangeable. For your edification:

Theory: A scientific theory is a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world that is acquired through the scientific method, and repeatedly confirmed through observation and experimentation.

Hypothesis: For a hypothesis to be a scientific hypothesis, the scientific method requires that one can test it. Scientists generally base scientific hypotheses on previous observations that cannot satisfactorily be explained with the available scientific theories.

THE DIFFERENCE ? Even though the words "hypothesis" and "theory" are often used synonymously, a scientific hypothesis is not the same as a scientific theory. A scientific hypothesis is a proposed explanation of a phenomenon which still has to be rigorously tested. In contrast, a scientific theory has undergone extensive testing and is generally accepted to be the accurate explanation behind an observation.

 

[Uncle Ben]

I am a maverick. I defy convention. Everything is a box and I am always outside of it, thinking.

And therein lies the problem. Try as you may, you can not change mother nature's conventions.

Hell, why don't you pluckers attempt to understand botanical conventions rather than embracing conventional forum bullshit? Flushing, 100w/s.f., defoliation....it's stupid. But, with every crop of newbies they have to learn the hard way, finding out that "old school" is always best.

I am a maverick too, but I first find out and understand the (botanical) rules before wasting my precious time.

 

[Uncle Ben]

....also wanted to mention, when the oscillating fan wiggles my leaves, there is now light getting to EVERY leaf. When needed, translocation will feed whatever needs it, so i keep as much green leaf on the plant (following a 3-1-2 NPK feed schedule the entire time). The result is maybe a little "less" bud but one whole month quicker, so i see it like almost getting a half of a harvest back

I feel a need to expand on that since it hits home. Amongst the winegrowers community, there is disagreement regarding the laborious task of "leafing"....removing most leaves in the fruit zone on the east side in hot climes, both east and west in moderate. The effect is on the fruit, has nothing to do with productivity that is alluded to in all defoliation threads. The exposure to sunlight reduces the herbaceous profile in the wine and increases anthrocyanins. More color, more market appeal. Having said that, there are scientific studies that have been done using lab spectometers reflecting that as little as 10% of dappled light produces the same effect as "leafing" and has the added benefit of cooling the clusters of grapes which reduces the "jam" effect.

As discussed, you remove fan leaves, the primary food factory unit for a plant, and you retard the plant. You interfere with very important plant processes such as metabolite storage, transpiration and can impart hermies, etc.

Uncle Ben

 

[burgertime2010]

I overvegged so I ha ve too many

And therein lies the problem. Try as you may, you can not change mother nature's conventions.

Hell, why don't you pluckers attempt to understand botanical conventions rather than embracing conventional forum bullshit? Flushing, 100w/s.f., defoliation....it's stupid. But, with every crop of newbies they have to learn the hard way, finding out that "old school" is always best.

I am a maverick too, but I first find out and understand the (botanical) rules before wasting my precious time.

I am back on this site for the first time since the format changed and I need to ask for help, I remember you being the answer man and can I ask your advice on something?