No, lower budsites DO NOT need light to develop! Get educated.

[Uncle Ben]

Why can't we discuss how removing leaves is a way of redirecting hormones in the plant as well?

Because it doesn't work that way. Growth hormones, mainly auxins, collect in the apical parts of plants. That would be branches and roots. The newest perimeter growth gets those collections first which if above ground would be the top of the plant/tree/shrub and at the ends top to bottom. Look up the concept of apical dominance and you'll have a better understanding of what's going on. Ever watch an oak tree grow? It puts out whorls of branches with the fastest growth being at the top and then perimeter, reason why it has that rounded canopy profile.

When you top a plant, the auxins are redistributed to the ends of what's left which induces dormant buds at and near that location to push. The stuff at the far bottom and inside the canopy is shit outta luck - it doesn't get even/fair consideration in the plant kingdom.

UB

 

[Hydroburn]

looks like typical untrained bean poles and you didnt even show the lower popcorn and base of the stalk... you showed lower under developed colas that a good grower would have even with the canopy.

 

[Uncle Ben]

looks like typical untrained bean poles and you didnt even show the lower popcorn and base of the stalk... you showed lower under developed colas that a good grower would have even with the canopy.

Those were the bottoms of the plant whether you want to admit or not. I could show the floor and you trolls would still shoot your smart mouth off.

Now look realllllllll close at the first picture. See that black pot? See what it's sitting on? That is called a "table". See those large round spots at the bottom? (uh....that would be just above the table.) That is called a "flash reflection".....of a big nugget.

Tell me, based on your response, I reckon you do SCROG and defoliate. Am I correct?

 

[Hydroburn]

I dont have time for you're nonsense ub. have fun growing the leafy dildos.

 

[killemsoftly]

?

 

[kindnug]

I don't think he cares> You posted on his thread.

 

[killemsoftly]

Let me get this straight tribal master of the WunHunLo tribe. You can afford to fill dozens of 10 gal. pots with some ripoff "super soil" but you can't afford drip irrigation?


Drip irrigation is very cheap. Not taking advantage of it is kin to the ol "stupid is as stupid does." I have 11,000' of poly coming off the whole enchilada - well, controller, manifold, solenoid valves, etc. Also have a large greenhouse and will soon eliminate the evaporative coolers and put in a high pressure 1,000 psi pump, tank, filters, flash nozzles. So you see, technology is your friend.

Plant was in a 3 gallon pot dropped into a 3" deep hole with colas so heavy even while staking and tieing them up they still went prostrate. Total cost over the life of the plant? Maybe a buck. Profit?

Why do MJ nerds always call a sativa "pathetic". Answer - because they're landrace ignorant and are not up to the sativa challenge.

Enjoy your mutts.

 

[killemsoftly]

Let me get this straight tribal master of the WunHunLo tribe. You can afford to fill dozens of 10 gal. pots with some ripoff "super soil" but you can't afford drip irrigation?


Drip irrigation is very cheap. Not taking advantage of it is kin to the ol "stupid is as stupid does." I have 11,000' of poly coming off the whole enchilada - well, controller, manifold, solenoid valves, etc. Also have a large greenhouse and will soon eliminate the evaporative coolers and put in a high pressure 1,000 psi pump, tank, filters, flash nozzles. So you see, technology is your friend.

Plant was in a 3 gallon pot dropped into a 3" deep hole with colas so heavy even while staking and tieing them up they still went prostrate. Total cost over the life of the plant? Maybe a buck. Profit?

Why do MJ nerds always call a sativa "pathetic". Answer - because they're landrace ignorant and are not up to the sativa challenge.

Enjoy your mutts.

Let me get this straight tribal master of the WunHunLo tribe. You can afford to fill dozens of 10 gal. pots with some ripoff "super soil" but you can't afford drip irrigation?


Drip irrigation is very cheap. Not taking advantage of it is kin to the ol "stupid is as stupid does." I have 11,000' of poly coming off the whole enchilada - well, controller, manifold, solenoid valves, etc. Also have a large greenhouse and will soon eliminate the evaporative coolers and put in a high pressure 1,000 psi pump, tank, filters, flash nozzles. So you see, technology is your friend.

Plant was in a 3 gallon pot dropped into a 3" deep hole with colas so heavy even while staking and tieing them up they still went prostrate. Total cost over the life of the plant? Maybe a buck. Profit?

Why do MJ nerds always call a sativa "pathetic". Answer - because they're landrace ignorant and are not up to the sativa challenge.

Enjoy your mutts.

 

[BenFranklin]

Pulling off leaves is an experiment in futility..

 

[killemsoftly]

[QULet me get this straight tribal master of the WunHunLo tribe. You can afford to fill dozens of 10 gal. pots with some ripoff "super soil" but you can't afford drip irrigation?


Drip irrigation is very cheap. Not taking advantage of it is kin to the ol "stupid is as stupid does." I have 11,000' of poly coming off the whole enchilada - well, controller, manifold, solenoid valves, etc. Also have a large greenhouse and will soon eliminate the evaporative coolers and put in a high pressure 1,000 psi pump, tank, filters, flash nozzles. So you see, technology is your friend.

Plant was in a 3 gallon pot dropped into a 3" deep hole with colas so heavy even while staking and tieing them up they still went prostrate. Total cost over the life of the plant? Maybe a buck. Profit?

Why do MJ nerds always call a sativa "pathetic". Answer - because they're landrace ignorant and are not up to the sativa challenge.

Enjoy your mutts.OTE="killemsoftly, post: 10508428, member: 860158"]Let me get this straight tribal master of the WunHunLo tribe. You can afford to fill dozens of 10 gal. pots with some ripoff "super soil" but you can't afford drip irrigation?


Drip irrigation is very cheap. Not taking advantage of it is kin to the ol "stupid is as stupid does." I have 11,000' of poly coming off the whole enchilada - well, controller, manifold, solenoid valves, etc. Also have a large greenhouse and will soon eliminate the evaporative coolers and put in a high pressure 1,000 psi pump, tank, filters, flash nozzles. So you see, technology is your friend.

Plant was in a 3 gallon pot dropped into a 3" deep hole with colas so heavy even while staking and tieing them up they still went prostrate. Total cost over the life of the plant? Maybe a buck. Profit?

Why do MJ nerds always call a sativa "pathetic". Answer - because they're landrace ignorant and are not up to the sativa challenge.

Enjoy your mutts.[/QUOTE]

 

[Wilksey]

I'm always amazed at how the people who think they have it all figured out are the first ones to ignore the most commonly known fact when it comes to horticulture- leaves are where the Photosynthesis takes place, not the flowers.

Makes sense to me.

I don't see the need for all the hate when it's very easy to confirm or deny information using botanical references from a wide assortment of "AG" and university studies freely available on-line. Hell, UncleBen and quite a few other growers have provided many of these links that support their contentions.

I'm just glad that there's growers sharing the info they have, because without them, I could have ended up like a lot of other n00bs and forked out a gojillion dollars to AN for their 48 part "Ultra-Master-Grower-Jedibudsensei" grow package to start my cultivation hobby. Instead, thanks to folks like UncleBen, I read some info pertaining to botany and horticulture, and went with a simple decent fert, a decent grow environment, and grew some buds that I enjoyed very, VERY much.

/shrug

What's not to like about that?

 

[killemsoftly]

Let me get this straight tribal master of the WunHunLo tribe. You can afford to fill dozens of 10 gal. pots with some ripoff "super soil" but you can't afford drip irrigation?


Drip irrigation is very cheap. Not taking advantage of it is kin to the ol "stupid is as stupid does." I have 11,000' of poly coming off the whole enchilada - well, controller, manifold, solenoid valves, etc. Also have a large greenhouse and will soon eliminate the evaporative coolers and put in a high pressure 1,000 psi pump, tank, filters, flash nozzles. So you see, technology is your friend.

Plant was in a 3 gallon pot dropped into a 3" deep hole with colas so heavy even while staking and tieing them up they still went prostrate. Total cost over the life of the plant? Maybe a buck. Profit?

Why do MJ nerds always call a sativa "pathetic". Answer - because they're landrace ignorant and are not up to the sativa challenge.

Enjoy your mutts.

 

[Hazydat620]

[QULet me get this straight tribal master of the WunHunLo tribe. You can afford to fill dozens of 10 gal. pots with some ripoff "super soil" but you can't afford drip irrigation?


Drip irrigation is very cheap. Not taking advantage of it is kin to the ol "stupid is as stupid does." I have 11,000' of poly coming off the whole enchilada - well, controller, manifold, solenoid valves, etc. Also have a large greenhouse and will soon eliminate the evaporative coolers and put in a high pressure 1,000 psi pump, tank, filters, flash nozzles. So you see, technology is your friend.

Plant was in a 3 gallon pot dropped into a 3" deep hole with colas so heavy even while staking and tieing them up they still went prostrate. Total cost over the life of the plant? Maybe a buck. Profit?

Why do MJ nerds always call a sativa "pathetic". Answer - because they're landrace ignorant and are not up to the sativa challenge.

Enjoy your mutts.OTE="killemsoftly, post: 10508428, member: 860158"]Let me get this straight tribal master of the WunHunLo tribe. You can afford to fill dozens of 10 gal. pots with some ripoff "super soil" but you can't afford drip irrigation?


Drip irrigation is very cheap. Not taking advantage of it is kin to the ol "stupid is as stupid does." I have 11,000' of poly coming off the whole enchilada - well, controller, manifold, solenoid valves, etc. Also have a large greenhouse and will soon eliminate the evaporative coolers and put in a high pressure 1,000 psi pump, tank, filters, flash nozzles. So you see, technology is your friend.

Plant was in a 3 gallon pot dropped into a 3" deep hole with colas so heavy even while staking and tieing them up they still went prostrate. Total cost over the life of the plant? Maybe a buck. Profit?

Why do MJ nerds always call a sativa "pathetic". Answer - because they're landrace ignorant and are not up to the sativa challenge.

Enjoy your mutts.

[/QUOTE]
Do you know what your doing when posting? When did I knock a sativa? It's obvious it's a sativa, the size of the plant is pathetic and why does it only have four tops?

 

[Rocketman64]

When I removed specific leaves I found that my popcorny branches would stretch up and through the canopy and compete with the other tops. I also found that my buds seemed to have more leafy material in them, I'm assuming because I had removed some fan leaves. Difference in yield? I think a positive difference in yield. Larger bugs from the bottom of the plant.

Why can't we discuss how removing leaves is a way of redirecting hormones in the plant as well?

I don't doubt your results and it's proof-positive that there are thousands of ways to make this plant grow. However, since we really have nothing to gauge what the plant might have looked like had nothing been removed, we can only assume it would probably look different. None of us could possibly say what that difference would have been.
Although you are 'redirecting' hormones by removing growth, you're also diminishing somewhat the capacity the plant has to continue to produce the hormones we all love so much. People sometimes think by removing lower growth hormones do some kind of automatic march to the top colas. Science has shown this not to be the case whatsoever. Yes, those hormones must be redirected, no choice here. The plant will simply disperse them locally to feed the next nearest pathway. It's simply a system of plumbing going on in there.
In a perfect world we could all agree there can't be one steadfast rule on how cannabis should be grown but for some reason, we have a group of people here that continue to feed the confrontation with juvenile name-calling and claims of perfection with their growing. The whole idea of passing information along to others in a forum like this is so you can learn and decide for yourself which system of plant management best fits your needs. Some people take a basic approach, some like to kick it up a bit with a few new techniques. Why the hell do people in this forum get so pissed when someone isn't growing like they are? Get real and get out of kindergarten.
If some of you people spent more time off the keyboard and your face buried in some real reading (god forbid even a book) you might find yourself surprised at your potential.

 

[killemsoftly]

Let me get this straight tribal master of the WunHunLo tribe. You can afford to fill dozens of 10 gal. pots with some ripoff "super soil" but you can't afford drip irrigation?


Drip irrigation is very cheap. Not taking advantage of it is kin to the ol "stupid is as stupid does." I have 11,000' of poly coming off the whole enchilada - well, controller, manifold, solenoid valves, etc. Also have a large greenhouse and will soon eliminate the evaporative coolers and put in a high pressure 1,000 psi pump, tank, filters, flash nozzles. So you see, technology is your friend.

Plant was in a 3 gallon pot dropped into a 3" deep hole with colas so heavy even while staking and tieing them up they still went prostrate. Total cost over the life of the plant? Maybe a buck. Profit?

Why do MJ nerds always call a sativa "pathetic". Answer - because they're landrace ignorant and are not up to the sativa challenge.

Enjoy your mutts.

 

[OscarLaGrouch]

I know it pisses you pompous fucks off too much to not do it. Still doesn't change the fact that your a joke, and your "advanced" techniques are really just basic's that you find in any beginners guide to cannabis. Why would you only want 4 tops, when you can have as many as you like. those aren't "lower" buds in those pictures, that's lower side branching on a main cola. You are probably the most basic grower on RIU UB.

he's still using the same techniques from when a polaroid was the only way to take a pic

 

[Hazydat620]

If you know what your doing this is how a outdoor plant should looks like, UB threads look like amateur hour.
15 Gal. pots. started outside had to be moved inside under lights because of neg. deg. temps outside in sept. keep growing those 4 top "monsters"

 

[natro.hydro]

I even said the mark twain quote wasnt a poke at anyone just something to think about, you guys both seem convinced you are the almighty so carry on oh great ganja deities....

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[a senile fungus]

Although you are 'redirecting' hormones by removing growth, you're also diminishing somewhat the capacity the plant has to continue to produce the hormones we all love so much. People sometimes think by removing lower growth hormones do some kind of automatic march to the top colas. Science has shown this not to be the case whatsoever. Yes, those hormones must be redirected, no choice here. The plant will simply disperse them locally to feed the next nearest pathway. It's simply a system of plumbing going on in there.

Thank you for the response.

I don't believe this diminishing effect is as detrimental as many believe it is, because of complete control of environmental factors in an indoor setup. My plants are not wanting for food, light, water, nor protecting themselves from pests or competition. The limiting factor in a perfect indoor setup is really the plant itself...

The plant will disperse them locally and feed the next nearest pathway.

Yes, this is how it works. Translocation within the plant via phloem, or plumbing as you say. So when I remove a set of fan leaves the hormones and nutrients that were going to that leaf set will continue up the plumbing and make its way to the next set of tissue, most likely more, smaller leaves and budsites towards the distal aspect of that particular branch? So this might encourage a bushing type of effect that we see when we defoliate and also explain how those smaller branches are getting buds to become more filled up?

I have no formal education in botany and would welcome a response that is not demeaning, but rather informative.

Once again I appreciate the response in the first place, and thank you for not being condescending.

 

[OscarLaGrouch]

Thank you for the response.

I don't believe this diminishing effect is as detrimental as many believe it is, because of complete control of environmental factors in an indoor setup. My plants are not wanting for food, light, water, nor protecting themselves from pests or competition. The limiting factor in a perfect indoor setup is really the plant itself...

The plant will disperse them locally and feed the next nearest pathway.

Yes, this is how it works. Translocation within the plant via phloem, or plumbing as you say. So when I remove a set of fan leaves the hormones and nutrients that were going to that leaf set will continue up the plumbing and make its way to the next set of tissue, most likely more, smaller leaves and budsites towards the distal aspect of that particular branch? So this might encourage a bushing type of effect that we see when we defoliate and also explain how those smaller branches are getting buds to become more filled up?

I have no formal education in botany and would welcome a response that is not demeaning, but rather informative.

Once again I appreciate the response in the first place, and thank you for not being condescending.

a super veteran grower that is one of my mentors basically told me what you are saying, that when a mature fan leaf is removed, the leaves at the next node draw the energy up to themselves, thereby kind of creating a vacuum of nutrients that actually improves translocation within the plant.