Apache AT600 led vs 1000w HPS Blue Dream Grow

Greengenes707

Greengenes707

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canadian1969 said:
Just as an added note, heating your grow space with HPS is very expensive compared to alternatives. Agribusiness around this area have figured this out and started to make changes; and our electricity costs are very low, (off peak 7 cents CAN). Just pointing out that even in cool climates it makes economic sense to change. Particularly if you are both saving money and increasing yield. Sort of a no brainer.
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It was a joke about hps.
There are times to push for acceptance and then there times to show and walk away...this time is the later. Showing a hps user is much more impactful then shoving information that contradicts their own beliefs down their throats.
Results will be done soon.
 
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OutofLEDCloset

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How long have you used the GO line? I used for a year. Fat buds, great smell. Im thinking of returning after your success. Great haul.
 
Mad Hamish

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hyroot said:
Plus 230 watts to vent 1000w. .
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Holy shit Hyroot! We don't want to suck our grandpa's wig up the duct when he comes to visit lol... 230 watts to power a fan, holy bananas. Either wattage works a whole lot differently on your 120 volt systems of I found myself some damn good low wattage extractors... I am using 85 watts to vent 1000 watts and it is WAAAAY excessive. I used to vent a 4 by 4 meter room kicking 3600w using around 125 watts of fans. I could NEVER smell anything in the room, no filters, it vented THAT fast. Extra heat didn't even help in cold months, just got sucked right out.

Anyhow, I feel there is bit of a gap in this discussion. Nobody is mentioning CMH. What I have now seen even the tiny little 300 watt lamps do just makes the jaw drop. Super long globe life, efficient energy use. I would like to see a scientifically approached comparison between the THREE types of lighting, traditional HID, LED, and CMH.

I am a lot more interested in CMH than LED myself.
 
hyroot

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Mad Hamish said:
Holy shit Hyroot! We don't want to suck our grandpa's wig up the duct when he comes to visit lol... 230 watts to power a fan, holy bananas. Either wattage works a whole lot differently on your 120 volt systems of I found myself some damn good low wattage extractors... I am using 85 watts to vent 1000 watts and it is WAAAAY excessive. I used to vent a 4 by 4 meter room kicking 3600w using around 125 watts of fans. I could NEVER smell anything in the room, no filters, it vented THAT fast. Extra heat didn't even help in cold months, just got sucked right out.

Anyhow, I feel there is bit of a gap in this discussion. Nobody is mentioning CMH. What I have now seen even the tiny little 300 watt lamps do just makes the jaw drop. Super long globe life, efficient energy use. I would like to see a scientifically approached comparison between the THREE types of lighting, traditional HID, LED, and CMH.

I am a lot more interested in CMH than LED myself.
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cococola has a thread with CMH. 860w Philips allstarts. I ran 330's last year. Great results. I get denser buds with inda gros ,the same trichome development though.

230w for a fan. Check every 8 inch fan. 700+ cfm's. Use for more than one light . 4 -6 lights 2000 cfm's .. the 6 inch and 4 inch fans run 37w - 150w.
 
SupraSPL

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Thanks to Mr Flux for pointing out that CMH overall efficiency is actually higher than HPS. It is outputting 1.9 umol/J when the bukb is brand new, which is almost as good as the CXA3070 3000K Z2. Of course it suffers reflector losses and has a huge infrared spike at 825nm, but if you are going to go with HID and you can figure out how to get a working bulb/ballast combo, CMH looks very good on paper.
 
Mad Hamish

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hyroot said:
cococola has a thread with CMH. 860w Philips allstarts. I ran 330's last year. Great results. I get denser buds with inda gros ,the same trichome development though.

230w for a fan. Check every 8 inch fan. 700+ cfm's. Use for more than one light . 4 -6 lights 2000 cfm's .. the 6 inch and 4 inch fans run 37w - 150w.
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Mine is 125 watts Hyroot... Roughly half so I am guessing it is the 120 volt thang. But anyhow I need to slow them down to like half or it is too much. Seriously, cooled hoods, you don't need that much to take care of 1000 watts. I run the size fans I do not for cooling, but ventilation, I like clearing all the air in there in under 2 minutes. So a different choice in lighting will not influence the amount of power used for my vents. Active inlets will save you more power on fans, you only need them one quarter the power of your outlets to really move some air...

Not too obsessed with trich development myself. A choice in genetics will have a greater influence on that IMO.

I liked what I saw with those 330's Hyroot. IMO it is going to be my next step when it comes to upgrades and experiments. The LED thing is just not for me eh. Fascinating watching you guys go at it, and I have been recommending some people to look into Area 51 and Apache fixtures thanks to what I have seen.

I will have another look at LED when it stabilizes. I would just hate to spend a few thousand dollars only to see something much nicer come out even a year later. Will just piss me off big time lol... So once again, max respect to the guys pushing things to that level. I know it is costing you bucks and effort. But frankly I'd rather it cost you your bucks right now than mine...
 
DiyKindaGuy

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Idk i like the new tech especially if the space program certifies led as their main light source for growing... not induction or hid nor plasma but led... not trying to be a dick but hid will be phased out and maybe be illegal in the future as a light source... and im sure led will get better at producing more light with less heat

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canadian1969

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Greengenes707 said:
It was a joke about hps.
There are times to push for acceptance and then there times to show and walk away...this time is the later. Showing a hps user is much more impactful then shoving information that contradicts their own beliefs down their throats.
Results will be done soon.
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I got your reference, and it is comical, I was simply pointing out (for general consumption), people have been heating with HPS, as you aptly put it is sort of dual function, albeit extremely inefficient. I was only making reference that growers up here are figuring out there are cheaper was to heat your grow space in the winter. As for what people believe, well, belief is a choice really. I get ya. I never tell anyone what to believe, I will leave that to Religion.
 
genuity

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my 8"vortex runs 185 watts..

but i see for high power rates,one may need to go LED,or run lights at off peak hrs.but them are high in some place.
hps will always be around for ever,cause it works,and works good.i have had my bulbs for over a yr 1/2,& they still give me the same out put of bud.
& i really have a hard time seeing more trich on led bud..but that is for the test later..


whats up with that $7,000 LED light?>>>http://growershouse.com/radiant-grow-systems-l4a-led-grow-light
^^^wtf is up with that?

^^^^that's why HID will be around forever.

http://academic.research.microsoft.com/Publication/48400188/interactions-of-temperature-and-light-quality-on-phytohormone-mediated-elongation-of-helianthus
just some reading.
 
Cococola36

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hyroot said:
I ran 330's last year.
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Hey hyroot i have the 330s well technically the 315w cdm tmw elite t9 version. Its 3100k and has 38k lumens to start idk if you ran the older 330s but these are bright!! I might do two in a 4x4 or 5x5ft area to test them out as I was told 2 will "give better results than a 1k hps". I thought it was a big claim so that thread will be in the near future
 
hyroot

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Mad Hamish said:
Mine is 125 watts Hyroot... Roughly half so I am guessing it is the 120 volt thang. But anyhow I need to slow them down to like half or it is too much. Seriously, cooled hoods, you don't need that much to take care of 1000 watts. I run the size fans I do not for cooling, but ventilation, I like clearing all the air in there in under 2 minutes. So a different choice in lighting will not influence the amount of power used for my vents. Active inlets will save you more power on fans, you only need them one quarter the power of your outlets to really move some air...

Not too obsessed with trich development myself. A choice in genetics will have a greater influence on that IMO.

I liked what I saw with those 330's Hyroot. IMO it is going to be my next step when it comes to upgrades and experiments. The LED thing is just not for me eh. Fascinating watching you guys go at it, and I have been recommending some people to look into Area 51 and Apache fixtures thanks to what I have seen.

I will have another look at LED when it stabilizes. I would just hate to spend a few thousand dollars only to see something much nicer come out even a year later. Will just piss me off big time lol... So once again, max respect to the guys pushing things to that level. I know it is costing you bucks and effort. But frankly I'd rather it cost you your bucks right now than mine...
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with trichome development. I mentioned it because CMH (philips) and induction(inda gro) both put out uv-a and uv-b as well as 730 far red. Which increases trichome production more so than led and hps. Led does increase trichome production more than hps too. You are right about genetics though. Proper spectrum can improve what genetics can produce... Also the new vortex and s line 8 inch fans pull around 230 watts. The 6 inch ones are around 60 watts. I'd only use 6 inch as an intake. 8 inch for an exhaust..
 
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DiyKindaGuy

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Alot of commercial farms are jumping on the fact that yu can yield same if not better with less energy.. now in a couple years leds will be more affordable and more people will be abe to make the change

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hyroot

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Cococola36 said:
Hey hyroot i have the 330s well technically the 315w cdm tmw elite t9 version. Its 3100k and has 38k lumens to start idk if you ran the older 330s but these are bright!! I might do two in a 4x4 or 5x5ft area to test them out as I was told 2 will "give better results than a 1k hps". I thought it was a big claim so that thread will be in the near future
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nice. I ran the 330 all starts. 2 definitely outperformed a 1000w and with more coverage too. The Elite agros should definitely compete. I think the 330's have a higher cri though. Not by much though..
 
Cococola36

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Below66 said:
1000 cmh's are coming soon, hps and mh price drops coming right after ;)

pretty sure everyone will be doing comparisons when those come out.
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That doesn't even need to be done imo, Ive already beat my 1000watt hps with a 860 watt cmh as far as watt per watt , i yielded the same with better quality.
 
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fssalaska

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This is the first led light I think I'd have some faith in after buying shitty ones a few years back and paying WAYYYYYYY to much.
SO yeah these are awesome guys , so buy a few and in 4 or 5 years when the price drops I'll join you.
 
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