This thread is all about flavor!!!!

[st0wandgrow]

People seem to have this notion, not necessarily you St0w, that use of synthetics means death to all microbes. That is simply not the case. Unless you are dumping toxic amounts of fertilizer, microbes are still present in soil mediums and are still reproducing (people smarter than me in this topic and with much more patience have counted these things). Some fertilizers allow easier uptake, bypassing the need (which they aren't needed, see hydro) for them in the first place. I personally love organic methods of gardening, but with the caveat of it being sustainable, local and ethical. Using harvested bat shit from Peru, damaging caves, and using all the oil for transportation and packing isn't helpful (just one example, or land stripping for humic acids). J

Agreed. No poop of any sort for me, and no slaughterhouse bi-products either. Again, you are correct in asserting that synthetics typically do not kill microbes in the soil. What does happen though, is that the repeated use of synthetics will alter the soils ph ...... typically leaving it too acidic for microbes to effectively function. That, and the plant will no longer attract (via exudes) microbes to the rhizosphere because the grower is bi-passing the soil food web and feeding the plant directly.

 

[TonightYou]

You do raise good points st0w, it's an interesting field to read into, unfortunately many in our community (as well as in gardening , which I've noticed as I'm now involved with some farmers markets) seem to latch on to feelings, instead of science. Eta I'm not guilt free though either as I'm using petroleum based products and probably some unethical mining myself.

 

[Thundercat]

Did you grow Sour Cherry Kush by chance? Got a pack of those that have been sitting in line for a while now .....

Sadly that isn't one of the ones on my ever growing list. I just got my 2014 testers from them that are in water popping now. This year they sent me OG power ( sour double x master kush) x Sin's OG ( kosher kush x bluepower). I asked Sin about the OG power as I wasn't familiar with it, and I guess its the original clone that was the mother of the blue power. I expect this should be a cool cross, with the genetics coming full circle.

 

[Amos Otis]

Agreed. No poop of any sort for me,

So that's what we've come to: having to declare our weed 'poop free'.

I asked Sin about the OG power as I wasn't familiar with it, and I guess its the original clone that was the mother of the blue power. I expect this should be a cool cross, with the genetics coming full circle.

Only a tangent reference, but Tangerine Power [ agent orange x blue power ] just crossed the 4 week bloom line. Haven't noticed anything citrus yet, but the plant has been happy and low maintenance from day one.

 

[greenghost420]

nice that og power sounds good

 

[Milovan]

Jack Herrer

Purple Pineberry x S.A.G.E & Sour

 

[Thundercat]

So that's what we've come to: having to declare our weed 'poop free'.



Only a tangent reference, but Tangerine Power [ agent orange x blue power ] just crossed the 4 week bloom line. Haven't noticed anything citrus yet, but the plant has been happy and low maintenance from day one.

I grew out 2 of the tangerine powers I got as freebies with my Sinmint Coookie order. The tangerines both turned out very citrusy, one a little more so then the other. The one with stronger flavor stayed smaller, and was picky about nutes, but produced tons of delicious resin. heres a pic of one from a couple weeks ago.

 

[vostok]

I would like to create a strain that has a Hard hitting, Good tasting, long lasting high, with a decent yield . Taste may not be at the top of the list, but it is always something to consider when cross breeding.

See the truth is, when you divert plant resources from one ideal to another always something must go, there are many fine examples, for one is "Bubblegum" to get that bubblegum flavor the breeder had to cross with a plant that was dominant in that terp!, but it had very low, below average THC, so that the Bubblegum was created with 25% less THC than planned ...to this day it has become one nightmare of a plant to grow due to its off chance herming ability, same with Chocoloupe but not so with many popular strains, minty, pineapple,..even diesel flavored terpines

 

[greasemonkeymann]

I grew out 2 of the tangerine powers I got as freebies with my Sinmint Coookie order. The tangerines both turned out very citrusy, one a little more so then the other. The one with stronger flavor stayed smaller, and was picky about nutes, but produced tons of delicious resin. heres a pic of one from a couple weeks ago.

that right there, is a perfect example of a perfectly mature nug. Nice job.

 

[greasemonkeymann]

Agreed. No poop of any sort for me, and no slaughterhouse bi-products either. Again, you are correct in asserting that synthetics typically do not kill microbes in the soil. What does happen though, is that the repeated use of synthetics will alter the soils ph ...... typically leaving it too acidic for microbes to effectively function. That, and the plant will no longer attract (via exudes) microbes to the rhizosphere because the grower is bi-passing the soil food web and feeding the plant directly.

no poop? you can find good sources of renewable environmentally friendly poo.
Chicken, rabbit, and my favorite, alpaca.
Rabbit and Alpaca poo is really, really, good stuff... For soil, obviously.

 

[Thundercat]

Thanks grease monkey she does taste delicious . I actually just harvested my last tangerine power mother about 3-4 weeks ago. I was smoking on some last night. I've got 2 batchs of the Blue thai, one flowering, and one batch as fresh clones, and then these Sin City testers. After which I finally get to test run my first breeding project.

 

[TonightYou]

So question for the Sin City strains, any issues or problems or are they solid?

 

[greasemonkeymann]

Thanks grease monkey she does taste delicious . I actually just harvested my last tangerine power mother about 3-4 weeks ago. I was smoking on some last night. I've got 2 batchs of the Blue thai, one flowering, and one batch as fresh clones, and then these Sin City testers. After which I finally get to test run my first breeding project.

I remember when I first dabbled in pollen sprinkling, it's exciting to know what you are making is unique and new to the world. Fun stuff, very addicting. just wait until you make a special new phenotype, you'll be proud as hell!

 

[st0wandgrow]

no poop? you can find good sources of renewable environmentally friendly poo.
Chicken, rabbit, and my favorite, alpaca.
Rabbit and Alpaca poo is really, really, good stuff... For soil, obviously.

What I was referring to was guanos, but I don't add any other type of poo to my soil either. I have rabbits, and I add their bedding and poop to my compost bins, but not directly to the soil.

 

[greasemonkeymann]

What I was referring to was guanos, but I don't add any other type of poo to my soil either. I have rabbits, and I add their bedding and poop to my compost bins, but not directly to the soil.

Ahh, gotcha, yeah bat guanos are not exactly environmentally friendly. I've heard seabird guano is a lil friendlier, but they have a higher nitrogen content than the phosphorus bat guanos (wanna say the seabird is like a 12/8/3 type of mix)
Have you had problems burning them if you add the rabbit poo directly to the soil without composting? I've never heard of people composting rabbit manure before, always thought it was "cool" enough. When i transplant into my flowering smartpots, I grind/mash up some alpaca poo into the earthworm castings/cricket castings, and then mix that into some vermifire with a bunch of mychorrizae. Haven't had any problems as long as I have a good 4-5 cms of regular soil to "buffer" the roots, they go crazy!
I've only used rabbit poo for I think 4-5 harvests, and I just added it directly to the soil, didn't add much though (maybe a palm-full for a 7-gallon smartpot)
Not sure what the NPK is for alpaca manure, but I from what I've read their digestive systems kinda compost it for us. Great stuff though, It's cheap too. Plus my pitbull LOVES alpacas, hilarious..
side note, you said you add their bedding also, I wonder what the NPK is on rabbit hair, I know hair has somewhat significant nutritional value(considering it's weight, I remember that from an old Rosenthal grow guide, just hard to get it to break down first.)

 

[greasemonkeymann]

I wanna say that hair is a good nitrogen source if I remember correctly... possibly wrong though

 

[Thundercat]

So question for the Sin City strains, any issues or problems or are they solid?

I got a few random nanners on a couple strains. Nothing on most plants, but a few on the sinmints, powernap, and tangerine powers. I plucked them off and the plants finished fine. They only did it on the seedling plants, not on the clone generation though. The rest of the strains were great as far as I remember. I got a few different phenos in the larger batchs of plants I test ran, but that included some really nice phenos that I'm still running a year later.

I remember when I first dabbled in pollen sprinkling, it's exciting to know what you are making is unique and new to the world. Fun stuff, very addicting. just wait until you make a special new phenotype, you'll be proud as hell!

I'm pretty excited about this first cross. I had 3 sinmint males, but one grew very fast, very easily, cloned fast, and smelled strongly of mint and eucalyptus when you rub the stem. I took that male, and crossed it to an awesome C99 female I had been growing about a year at that point. I've actually still got the male for a few more projects. I just took a clone of it with my last clone batch to flower out and pollenate my platinum delight from SCS, and The blue thai I've mentioned a few times now .

 

[TonightYou]

When I had a rabbit growing up, we'd always put the bedding and poo into the compost bin. Made for some excellent fertilizer. I recall my father sending samples to Michigan State University as they (use to? Not sure if they still do) would run a composition analysis on it. Was too young to recall, but I know it was great stuff in the garden. (We had tons of clay in our area, and you had to add stuff to the soil)

 

[TonightYou]

Thanks Thunder Cats, how'd you like the smoke?

 

[Milovan]

Yay chicken poo!