Apache AT600 led vs 1000w HPS Blue Dream Grow
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canadian1969
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Something else to consider when buying LED, that while it is undoubtedly more efficient and the ROI is pretty fast (depending on electricity rates) I can't see large scale unlicensed growers buying in anytime soon, simply because the capital outlay and risk of having your equipment seized could be an issue. If your operation is legal, no issues. Getting busted with $15,000 in LED panels would hurt 
p.s. was just watching a news article and saw a Colorado operation using HPS and LED together in the same grow space. HPS/LED/HPS/LED/HPS/LED... clever I think. Probably easier to maintain quality output than a 100% switchover
p.s. was just watching a news article and saw a Colorado operation using HPS and LED together in the same grow space. HPS/LED/HPS/LED/HPS/LED... clever I think. Probably easier to maintain quality output than a 100% switchover
Grobility
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GrobalDistributors.com has a package that can be used on either 120v or 240v.
There is only one CMH bulb that has been created for the horticulture market. Philips states that the elite agro was designed for horticultural purposes. All other 315w bulbs are described as commercial lighting bulbs. What sets these bulbs apart on paper is the UVA reading and the ppf per second. The lumens on the agro are higher, but lumens do not equate to usable light for our plants so that number is not relevant. Lumens is a measurement of visible light, visible to the human eye.
As for the non use of these in commercial facilities...there is plenty of use and increasing daily. Until LEDs (well the good ones) drop in price, these will continue to be the best choice for any educated grower building or renovating a facility.
The number one thing turning people off from these bulbs are the companies that are not selling the correct lamp with their package. As testing has shown, if you are not using the elite agro you will NEVER want to use these again. The other CMH do not even come close in any aspect. This includes the 860W (also known as the 900w) which is mostly in the green color spectrum and is near useless in cultivation.
http://www.usa.ecat.lighting.philips.com/l/professional-lamps/high-intensity-discharge-lamps/hid-horticulture/mastercolor-cdm-t-elite-med-wattage-agro/63556/cat/?t1=ProductList
direct website link^
I believe philips fucked up big time in the early life of this light by not releasing it with it's own ballast right off the bat.
direct website link^
I believe philips fucked up big time in the early life of this light by not releasing it with it's own ballast right off the bat.
Cococola36
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Yea cause pulling big numbers and exceptional quality with my "mostly green 860 watt" lamps has been so useless for me....this was the biggest load of crap I ever read on this forum in 3 years
PSUAGRO.
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he ^^^is right Coco, the 315w is more geared towards our use...........the 860w is DESIGNED for retrofitting 1000w vertical oriented mh fixtures in commercial lighting applications. Doesn't mean it won't grow bad-ass buds, as you know/show friend..........sodium streetlights also do a damn good job
Cococola36
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Don't get me wrong psu, I do my research, heavily...I know what he was trying to say. Shit I have the 315 watt units now lol, but i reacted immediately to the comment "This includes the 860W (also known as the 900w) which is mostly in the green color spectrum and is near useless in cultivation" . Now near useless??? That was a heavy handed comment with I'm assuming research done with that wattage bulb in the wrong hands lol.he ^^^is right Coco, the 315w is more geared towards our use...........the 860w is DESIGNED for retrofitting 1000w vertical oriented mh fixtures in commercial lighting applications. Doesn't mean it won't grow bad-ass buds, as you know/show friend..........sodium streetlights also do a damn good job
It makes me laugh a little when people refer to hps bulbs as street lights doing a great job, not because hps was obviously designed to light our streets, but because they are using in bulk some completely standard hps. Not like they are lighting up our highways with hortilux and gavitas lol but maybe I'm wrong??
PSUAGRO.
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Ah, should have read all of his quote, missed the "useless"part, lol.it has some of the highest par #s on the market! Definitely misinformation on his part.......my fault for not catching that.
Be safe grower
Greengenes707
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My in-laws are in town again so trimming is on hold. Samples are ready to be sent to the lab. Hps is done trimming, just curing now...all I will say is it's not record breaking for hps. But grade A+++ as usual. Led was only 32g short at pre-final trim so I expect it to be close with just a little less trim weight loss. I will say that I know for sure that I am not missing anything by running leds. That is a little teaser for now, no one caught the last hint. I'm thinking I will be done tuesday or wednsday with final weights.
But for now... I did get new genetics....White Buffalo...[Romulan x (bay11 x Blackberry kush)]
http://kingklonebrand.com/product/blu-purpd-1/
Winner winner of genetics in there. It's got a little of everything great in it. Unique and exotic, but should be a producer too.
I also cloned this nice jilly dominant (GSC x Jilly) of mine to death. I will run eventually to see what's good with it. Very potent stem smell so far.
But for now... I did get new genetics....White Buffalo...[Romulan x (bay11 x Blackberry kush)]
http://kingklonebrand.com/product/blu-purpd-1/
Winner winner of genetics in there. It's got a little of everything great in it. Unique and exotic, but should be a producer too.
I also cloned this nice jilly dominant (GSC x Jilly) of mine to death. I will run eventually to see what's good with it. Very potent stem smell so far.
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Greengenes707
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They started showing up around here about 6-9 months ago as king klones...wasn't till I got these the other day that I saw the blugenetics part. I just figured it was some off shoot of GDP genetics. I'm glad you have seen good stuff coming out of their gear. I figured it would be solid.
I'm really excited...I love cool new genetics.
captainmorgan
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Your such a tease GG.
Oddjob
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Yes can't wait to see some final results...dried. I personally want to see how dense the AT600 buds came out.
hyroot
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Genie is your blue dream the olds chool cut? I don't really like blue dream.. I smoked some yesterday that was of the original old school cut I guess. A friend grew in hempy buckets. I have never seen blue dream of that phenotype before. I really liked it... I'm just curious though. I have never seen white buffalo before either. I don't think..... Gsc / jilly sounds yummy, Its going to taste like sherbert 
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Greengenes707
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I know you do. You have said it many times. And when they are ready, you will see them...I don't hide anything. There are no difference in size or appearance. Slightly darker green, and less fox tailing is the only difference(even in final weight). Unless I mark them you would never be able to tell...just super dank big buds that if a person didn't know what led's can do, would think it's big ass hps bud.
Ya, the clone only version...sometimes called the santa cruz cut since it's a santa cruz SSH male that made it.Genie is your blue dream the olds chool cut? I don't really like blue dream.. I smoked some yesterday that was of the original old school cut I guess. A friend grew in hempy buckets. I have never seen blue dream of that phenotype before. I really liked it... I'm just curious though. I have never seen white buffalo before either. I don't think..... Gsc / jilly sounds yummy, Its going to taste like sherbert
It is one of the best of all times imo. It's just too popular on the growing scene still. Used to be worse. But still is difficult to move no matter how good. And the price gets killed with so many growers.
So white buffalo is my choice. New and cool, with great potential.
hyroot
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yeah but us Cali guys been doing it since we were 13 years old... Lol.. Some shit gets old after a while. Blue dream, train wreck, sour diesel, og, pre 98 bubba , mendo bubba grand daddy purple. have been flooding the market for so long. Large scale growers were only growing those strains for years..BUT blue dream gets the #'s though
I can wait for the final tallies, I got patience ................be safe grower
Chronikool
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You better not be complaining about your freedom to grow Rootie....
Cococola36
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Damn you GG, and all you cali heads with your awesome strains lol!!