Here.... He Goes Again....

[Sand4x105]

President Obama will use his executive authority to cut carbon emissions from the nation’s coal-fired power plants by up to 20 percent, according to people familiar with his plans, and will force industry to pay for the pollution it creates through cap-and-trade programs across the country.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/29/us/politics/obama-to-offer-rules-to-sharply-curb-power-plants-carbon-emissions.html

Legacy Building.... This is what a President is for.... Legacy ?

The price of coal will go up....
Coal burning power plants need to be cleaning up, and most are on schedule...
Costing the American people [that use coal generated power] to pay more for their power, while not one of the presidents best ideas, will be put into effect anyway....
Because he needs to build his legacy...

 

[schuylaar]

January 14, 2014
Congress Job Approval Starts 2014 at 13%
Essentially unchanged since December
by Jeffrey M. Jones
PRINCETON, NJ -- Thirteen percent of Americans approve of the job Congress is doing, essentially unchanged from December but above the all-time low of 9% from November. Congressional approval has rarely been 20% or higher in the last three years.

The latest results are based on a Jan. 5-8 Gallup poll. After showing slight improvement in December following November's record-low rating, congressional approval has leveled off in January. The current 13% reading is also close to what Gallup measured in January 2013 (14%) and January 2012 (13%).

 

[Jimdamick]

So, what is your solution, Sand4? To just let the coal industry continue to fuck up the environment even further than they have already? Obama is trying to bring the US into the 21st century, unlike most, if not all the Republicans are scared of doing apparently. As far as the graph is concerned, Americans are dicks anyway, and seem to also like the status quo, which means the rich get richer, and the middle class and the poor just go deeper into poverty. The sad thing about approval ratings in this country, is that the voters apparently don't like the Senate that much, and Congress even less, but the forecasts for the next election, show an advantage for the Republicans to pick up more seats, which will bring us right back into the pile of shit they left the US in under the previous administration. Go figure that one out, because I can't. What's that say about the intelligence of the American voter? Unemployment is down, the S&P has broken records for gains, and that is not good enough. Americans are dumber than a fucking rock, which shows in test scores, and deserve to be right where they are, which is almost at the bottom of every measurement of quality of life in the industrialized world.

 

[BigNBushy]

January 14
Congress Job Approval Starts 2014 at 13%
Essentially unchanged since December
by Jeffrey M. Jones
PRINCETON, NJ -- Thirteen percent of Americans approve of the job Congress is doing, essentially unchanged from December but above the all-time low of 9% from November. Congressional approval has rarely been 20% or higher in the last three years.

The latest results are based on a Jan. 5-8 Gallup poll. After showing slight improvement in December following November's record-low rating, congressional approval has leveled off in January. The current 13% reading is also close to what Gallup measured in January 2013 (14%) and January 2012 (13%).

Congress isn't popular so we should just not use them

 

[Jimdamick]

Congress isn't popular so we should just not use them

We should do what the Chinese do to incompetent, thieving, useless politicians. Take them out to a field, make them dig a hole, and shoot them.

 

[BigNBushy]

We should do what the Chinese do to incompetent, thieving, useless politicians. Take them out to a field, make them dig a hole, and shoot them.

Yes, China is the first country I think of when I think what country I wish ours was more like.

Maybe we should sensor the Internet too.

 

[sheskunk]

Yes, China is the first country I think of when I think what country I wish ours was more like.

Maybe we should sensor the Internet too.

We'll be just like China soon enough.

 

[kinetic]

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2014/05/pa_coal-fired_power_plant_clea.html
Here's an example of how it's going to work. Homer City coal plant goes from just about the worst polluter to a model of how it can be cleaned up and jobs kept in place.
Also the idea of cap and trade is a republican one first put up by Bush Sr.

 

[BigNBushy]

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2014/05/pa_coal-fired_power_plant_clea.html
Here's an example of how it's going to work. Homer City coal plant goes from just about the worst polluter to a model of how it can be cleaned up and jobs kept in place.
Also the idea of cap and trade is a republican one first put up by Bush Sr.

I hate it when people say "it's a Republican idea."

Firstly, the people who say that are the people who think Republicans have terrible ideas.

Secondly, it implies that people aren't allowed to change their minds and that they have to be in lock step with every idea that their party has ever had.

Richard Nixon had the idea of a universal guaranteed income for every American.

 

[kinetic]

I hate it when people say "it's a Republican idea."

Firstly, the people who say that are the people who think Republicans have terrible ideas.

Secondly, it implies that people aren't allowed to change their minds and that they have to be in lock step with every idea that their party has ever had.

Richard Nixon had the idea of a universal guaranteed income for every American.

it wasn't meant to say republicans have bad ideas at all, it actually illustrates the parties hypocrisy. I agree with some republican principles. Smaller government for example. Lets start with cutting the militaries over sized budget, that would cut some government spending. Let's hold representatives to their actions. After their term is over a second vote occurs by a politicians constituents. If they do poorly the populace they represent vote on the percentage of benefits and pay they continue to recieve. Also the idea of self reliance and not on the government. Solar panels and renewable energy seem like a logical way to go about having individuals establish autonomy but that doesn't hold water, generally, with the GOP.

 

[NoDrama]

which means the rich get richer, and the middle class and the poor just go deeper into poverty.

Well I am sure that the increase in electricity rates will help the poor get even poorer and the alternative energy companies will only get richer. In my state all the coal companies also own all the other forms of power generation too. Wind, Hydro, solar, Nat Gas are all owned by the same few big power companies that also own all the coal mines and coal fired electric plants. Coal accounts for 40% of all US power production, a 20% increase in overhead will probably result in a more than 10% increase in energy prices for everyone. How will that be good for poor people?

BTW your partisanship is showing.

 

[NoDrama]

We should do what the Chinese do to incompetent, thieving, useless politicians. Take them out to a field, make them dig a hole, and shoot them.

That can't happen, one of the first things politicians do is make sure they cannot be held liable or be held accountable in any way by making laws that protect them first. Did you know insider trading is illegal? Unless you are a congressman, then you can act on all the insider info you want. You don't think Senators get to be millionaires in a few years on a salary of $175,000 a year through diligent and careful money management do you? Fuck no, they know what laws are going to be changed before anyone else does, and act accordingly to those changes before they affect prices of equities.

 

[BigNBushy]

it wasn't meant to say republicans have bad ideas at all, it actually illustrates the parties hypocrisy. I agree with some republican principles. Smaller government for example. Lets start with cutting the militaries over sized budget, that would cut some government spending. Let's hold representatives to their actions. After their term is over a second vote occurs by a politicians constituents. If they do poorly the populace they represent vote on the percentage of benefits and pay they continue to recieve. Also the idea of self reliance and not on the government. Solar panels and renewable energy seem like a logical way to go about having individuals establish autonomy but that doesn't hold water, generally, with the GOP.

I can see the attempt to show hypocrisy, which is why I also said in my post that your previous statement seemed to contemplate that people were somehow restricted to change their mind.

When you say something "is a Republican idea" what does that mean?

A civilian agency, "just as big and well armed as the military" was Obama's idea. Does that mean this is a democratic idea?

Are future Democrats prohibited from protesting a Republican presidents plan to create a similar paramilitary group because Obama said this? After all, it was a Democrat idea.

I honestly do not recall, to what extent was cap and trade (or something like it) was Bush sr. involved?

 

[heckler73]

There's one thing I learned from studying the environmental history of the "False Creek" area in Vancouver, developed from a poisoned industrial park leftover by the progress of the 20th century.
What we consider garbage today, can become the chemical feedstock of tomorrow. Coal that is not burned for power, can become feed for other processes. Acetylene, for example, is extracted from heating coal to ~600K IIRC.
Just because a veritable tax is put in effect does not mean endless burden upon the poor consumer.

http://www.carbonbrief.org/blog/2013/12/five-graphs-that-tell-the-future-story-of-coal/