Elliot Rodger's had Aspergers Syndrome. Should we not allow people with Aspergers to own guns?

[DonAlejandroVega]

more my type of band...............

 

[Mindmelted]

I'm really high right now. Really happy. Listening to one of the greatest band, Rush!

2112 is my fave.......

 

[NLXSK1]

If someone is looking for empathy and/or sympathy here, you made a wrong turn somewhere...

 

[londonfog]

If someone is looking for empathy and/or sympathy here, you made a wrong turn somewhere...

Do people with aspergers understand empathy ?

 

[kelly4]

Canna is out of control. He actually scares me on the internet. I would be fearful around him. He would label me a liberal and then BAAM.

I would like to smoke and shoot with Canna.

 

[londonfog]

I would like to smoke and shoot with Canna.

he would not let you.

 

[desert dude]

Cannabineer would disagree with Buck too.

Is Cannabineer an asperger's variant? I didn't know that. He seems like a very precise thinker, which I find impressive.

I have an 18 year old nephew who is autistic. He is odd, but really very enjoyable to be around. He is INTENSELY focused on animals, has a whole library of books about anatomy, can tell you the genus of any critter you mention, knows all about the dinosaurs and so on. A very interesting person.

 

[desert dude]

A lack of demonstrated cognitive empathy has a significant impact on aspects of communal living for persons with Asperger syndrome.[2] Individuals with AS experience difficulties in basic elements of social interaction, which may include a failure to develop friendships or to seek shared enjoyments or achievements with others (for example, showing others objects of interest), a lack of social or emotional reciprocity (social "games" give-and-take mechanic), and impaired nonverbal behaviors in areas such as eye contact, facial expression, posture, and gesture.[1]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asperger_syndrome#Social_interaction

I don't want these mentally ill people to have access to guns. How about you?

Voting Democrat is a not yet diagnosed form of Autism.

Since the vast majority of shootings occur in Democrat strongholds, I don't want Democrats to have access to guns. How about you?

 

[ginwilly]

Of course a person with AS should be allowed to defend themselves, that's nuts.

Vegans on the other hand.....

 

[Padawanbater2]

Why would anyone vote yes on this poll?

Normally the argument comes down to if the person has a mental illness everyone on both sides agrees they should definitely not be allowed to carry/own a gun and yet that exactly what the question was "if someone has a mental illness should they be allowed to own a gun?"

I can only rationally conclude that those 4 people who voted yes have some kind of mental illness themselves

 

[ginwilly]

Why would anyone vote yes on this poll?

Normally the argument comes down to if the person has a mental illness everyone on both sides agrees they should definitely not be allowed to carry/own a gun and yet that exactly what the question was "if someone has a mental illness should they be allowed to own a gun?"

I can only rationally conclude that those 4 people who voted yes have some kind of mental illness themselves

What do you think might happen if you pass a law that if a person has a mental illness they can't own a gun? Do you see a shit ton of crazies going untreated for fear of losing the right to protect themselves? Do you see the label of mental illness being abused in an effort to control who gets guns?

I don't want crazies having guns either, but there is dangerous crazy and harmless crazy, who decides? It's a tough question that we need to talk about though. I think we just need to tread carefully before first level thinking causes more problems than it fixes.

It seems almost half our population is on some sort of anti-depressant. I know that's a high estimate, but whatever the number is, the same issue applies. Should everyone taking anti-depressants be excluded from owning guns? How many of those taking the drugs would never consider the help if they know it's going to put them on a "too crazy to own a gun" list.

FTR, I recognize that our gun problem is more of a mental health problem, I just think we need to tread carefully and think it out before we react with knee-jerk feel good legislation.

 

[tip top toker]

Take 5 minutes looking through the politics section and you could argue that none of you mentally stable enough to own guns.

A question though. Americans always argue that it's not the gun that kills. That knives kill, hammers, cars. So should we ban people with autism from driving? If they're liable to shoot someone because of their lack of empathy, surely they could be just as likely to run someone over or drive into someone elses car because of that lack of empathy? In fact he did exactly that, he shot some people, and drove at some people. Why are you focused on should he have had a gun, but not should he have had a car. His mentality put him in a situation where car or gun he was going to hurt people.

 

[DonAlejandroVega]

I long for a world where all law-abiding citizens ow

Why would anyone vote yes on this poll?

Normally the argument comes down to if the person has a mental illness everyone on both sides agrees they should definitely not be allowed to carry/own a gun and yet that exactly what the question was "if someone has a mental illness should they be allowed to own a gun?"

I can only rationally conclude that those 4 people who voted yes have some kind of mental illness themselves

that's an easy one! I carefully dissected the DSRwhatever definition of AS, and made an educated decision. like I do......

 

[ginwilly]

Take 5 minutes looking through the politics section and you could argue that none of you mentally stable enough to own guns.

Amen and guilty as charged

A question though. Americans always argue that it's not the gun that kills. That knives kill, hammers, cars. So should we ban people with autism from driving? If they're liable to shoot someone because of their lack of empathy, surely they could be just as likely to run someone over or drive into someone elses car because of that lack of empathy? In fact he did exactly that, he shot some people, and drove at some people. Why are you focused on should he have had a gun, but not should he have had a car. His mentality put him in a situation where car or gun he was going to hurt people.

A lack of empathy doesn't a killer make, but point well made.( I think Doer is rubbing off on me)

 

[DonAlejandroVega]

suffering from this madness we call life...........and not knowing right from wrong, are two different things.

 

[tip top toker]

What do you think might happen if you pass a law that if a person has a mental illness they can't own a gun? Do you see a shit ton of crazies going untreated for fear of losing the right to protect themselves? Do you see the label of mental illness being abused in an effort to control who gets guns?

This is a very good point. And one i can relate to. To all intents and purposes, I am on the autistic spectrum, but it does not effect my daily life, as such i have no requirement for treatment or therapy or pills etc. But i refuse to get tested, for no other reason than i see no manner in which it could help me, only potentially hinder me as a result of having an official label stuck on my medical record.

 

[DonAlejandroVega]

Amen and guilty as charged


A lack of empathy doesn't a killer make, but point well made.( I think Doer is rubbing off on me)

yes.........it is a lack of empathy that kills. nothing else. we create sociopaths. that's what's killing folks.

 

[DonAlejandroVega]

emotional empathy, not "cognitive empathy" like in that definition.

 

[ginwilly]

yes.........it is a lack of empathy that kills. nothing else. we create sociopaths. that's what's killing folks.

While most killers lack empathy, it's not correct in assuming that lacking empathy makes you a killer. Just because you don't give a shit about someone doesn't mean you want to kill them or want them dead, in fact, it really means you just don't give a shit.

 

[DonAlejandroVega]

While most killers lack empathy, it's not correct in assuming that lacking empathy makes you a killer. Just because you don't give a shit about someone doesn't mean you want to kill them or want them dead, in fact, it really means you just don't give a shit.

not caring about someone is not the same as being unable empathize with them. so.......you don't care about them........will you pass them on the road, if they are injured, and dying of thirst? if so......you lack human empathy and are a sociopath.